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Evening Hours at a Bakery

MattPatheticMattPathetic Registered User regular
edited May 2010 in Help / Advice Forum
I work for an ever expanding bread bakery that features a fine line of freshly baked breads, pastries along with exceptional coffee and tea. The store has only been open for about 8 months, but it's growth and success in this time has really defied the current economical situation.

Recently, it has been decided that we'd stay open until 9pm at night with a greater focus on coffee and desert type pastries. I have been promoted to a night manager position and it falls on me to organize events and such to help draw in customers during the night.
I'm just not sure what kind of things might actually help entice customers to come in during these hours.

The ideas of coffee and tea tastings and live music have been bandied about. Anyone here have any ideas I can implement into turning the bakery's evening hours into less of a ghost town?

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  • cmsamocmsamo Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Hmm... No experience at this sort of thing... but a coffee store near us does events from time to time:

    - book launches/signings by local people
    - poetry/reading evenings
    - art exhibitions by local people

    Do you have wireless internet access? that tends to draw people in.

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  • iMattiMatt Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Coffee tastings for expensive brands (get the brands to give you samples / materials etc). - <EDIT> D'oh I fail at reading OP!
    Coffee preparation evenings - stop drinking instant at home, buy our grinder and beans and use them like such - it's easy Mr Consumer.

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  • JHunzJHunz Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Good live music should work fantastically, if you can get it. There's probably at least one decent group made up of students in your area who'd be willing to do it on the cheap one or two nights a week.

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  • EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    is there actually an evening community in the area? If you're surrounded by suburbia and your local clients are parents with young kids, then they're going to be at home with no interest in going to a coffee shop. If you're in a college area or urban space with a high population density and people looking for things to do after dinner, you can totally make it work. I'll give you some tips to help make it happen, if the local community is positive:

    1. Don't be tied to the new time. Lots of people like to go out after dinner and see live music, and that is often 9-midnight. Even relaxed places like coffee houses. While you're starting out with the new time, push to go later when you have events so you're not rushing people out the door. Since it's new you should be fine with minimal staffing, to keep costs down. It would be a good opportunity for selling end-of-day baked goods for clearance prices, as well.

    2. Set specific dates for events, and make sure people can actually attend. I'll give you two stories for local businesses:

    -- One coffee house was nearby a local highrise populated by med students. It was always packed full of people, because they wanted to get out of their apartment and use the free wifi of the place. They would crowd into the place, buy a coffee or two, and sit there for hours. The store tried to have some local events, readings, shows, and they posted them to an online calendar. But it turns out that people hated to go because when they went to see live music by their friends, there was nowhere to sit and most of the "audience" didn't want live music. The coffee shop was stuck with clientele that they didn't want, essentially. Since they didn't do food there was no reason to go late because if you wanted to sit down with coffee, you couldn't (no seats).

    -- Another restaurant is a pizza place by an art college. To attract a later crowd, they offered free music every night. While they were getting started, anyone could sign up to play, although they set volume limits. They'd do two sets most nights, a "dinner band" that was quieter or acoustic, and then a more upbeat band for 9-12 or so. Because there's *always* live music, people don't worry so much about showing up on the right day, and it's been a huge success. Since they're a restaurant people would sit for about an hour or so and inevitably catch some music, too, which makes the place a lot of fun.

    The point of both stories is that when you have a local band, you a) need to realize that the best thing about local bands is that their friends will come see them perform and b) they need to be at a volume that won't alienate other patrons. If there's singing, they can't be interrupting actual conversation that people are having, so you'd need to be up front with the bands about volume. But you can have solo artists and duos as well. I suggest not doing any sort of dance-oriented bands/groups.

    3) what's the local competition like? Are there starbucks nearby? If so, do your homework -- go in there one evening (with a book or laptop) and spend about 2 hours scoping it out. See if they have any events, what their closing hours are. How busy are they? What kind of people are in there?

    One local starbucks here closes at 7 (!!) because they're in a residential area, and the other shops on the block all close at 7 as well (even the grocery store). The starbucks by the college campus is open until 9:30 (and could probably go later).

    4) stay true to what you know. You're a bakery with great coffee. Don't try to sell pizzas. Don't turn into a dinner restaurant. Your evening products should reflect the ethos of what your business is -- just at a later hour. If you sell sandwiches, like a Panera-type thing, make them small, like hors d'oeuvres, and sell them for cheap as a snack for people. For now you don't want to completely change the feel of the place to a formal sit-down restaurant, but rather you want to entice people to come hang out in the evening. Offer smaller or dessert-style coffees and teas, snack-style foods/breads, and so on. People in the morning will buy, for example, a big bagel and slather it with cream cheese. In the evening they might eat a small scone -- giant pastries will look too heavy. Smaller items can also be sold for less, and at the end of the day people's wallets are going to be lighter, especially if they bought any food out during the day. Being a cheap, fun place for people to go will attract people and, more importantly, still encourage them to spend money at the bakery.

    But a lot of all of this depends on the local population. A shop like this in Ann Arbor will have an easier time compared to Colorado Springs.

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  • PirateJonPirateJon Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Are cupcakes still a "big thing" where you are?

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Internet is a must for pretty much any independant coffee place I go to, if you don't already have it.

    Is getting a liquor license an option? You don't have to have a full-fledged bar (you can if you want - there are a couple successful coffee bar/evening bar establishments in my area), but Irish Coffee and that sort of alcoholic coffee drinks are a nice option to set yourself apart.

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Make sure you monitor and log that wifi to a point as well. If someone comes in, buys a coffee, then surfs child porn for an hour or two, then they drive off, it's entirely possible the cops will show up and yell at you.

    Also, student discount! Even a small one helps attract college kids and the like. Make sure it's very obvious that it exists. A lot of places around town here have discounts but don't tell people. Which seems to defeat the purpose to me.

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  • MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    9PM isn't really that late for those types of activities.

    What other types of attractions are around you? Is there a movie theater, etc.?

    A lot of good business advice here. Some other things; make sure the area is well-lit, at least outside your doors, I assume (?) the shop owner has talked to the city and police to get permission and made them aware they'll be open, which may not be big deal if other things around you are late nighters too.

    As for events, doing different coffee tastings/flights might be fun, like an 'African Flight,' or a 'Two Sweet' combo with a light coffee and a pastry. Is your stuff roasted in-house, or roasted local?

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  • AlwaysNewDepthsAlwaysNewDepths Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Is there an active night life in the area?

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  • dispatch.odispatch.o Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    9pm is too early to be a night-spot, but too late to snag soccer moms and people who just got off work.

    I don't really think there's much "different" you could do to. Those are the hours places like Starbucks and Peets Coffee keep and you wont see bands or book signings at them during the hours you're talking about.

    Your target audience at 6-9pm is going to be the same people it was at 10-6pm. People who want coffee and a place to chill between work and home, or someplace to relax with friends or surf the internet. To get a real "night crowd" you'd have to be open til at least midnight. Keep it well lit, have decent outside benches or something and maybe play some more modern music if you don't already. You could try running some sort of pastry and coffee deal for a bit, time it so that hot french rolls or sticky buns or scones come out of the oven around 730-800 and have something advertising the fact.

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    9pm from...what? What was the previous closing time? 8pm? 6pm?

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  • blakfeldblakfeld Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Open Mic night? Those always seem to draw

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  • SixSix Caches Tweets in the mainframe cyberhex Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Any place that closes at 9 isn't going to be an evening spot, it's going to be someplace you stop at before going somewhere else. Doing open mics, art shows/openings, etc is going to be tough if you're kicking everyone out at 9.

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  • GungHoGungHo Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Happy hours w/ deals on the pastries/coffee.

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  • JokermanJokerman Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I worked at a starbucks for a couple of years and I would love to give my two cents as well as point out and eleborate some more on Eggy's points.
    EggyToast wrote: »
    1. Don't be tied to the new time.
    The key to a great Coffee house\Bakery is that people feel like it's there home away from home. Starbucks refers to themselves as the "Third place" because they want customers to feel like it's an alternate from work and home they can go to anytime. If customers want to come in a little later on the weekend, roll with it. Obviously you don't have to stay up till 4 in the morning to acommadate some drunks, but don't be afraid to stay fluid.

    One coffee house was nearby a local highrise populated by med students. It was always packed full of people, because they wanted to get out of their apartment and use the free wifi of the place. They would crowd into the place, buy a coffee or two, and sit there for hours. The store tried to have some local events, readings, shows, and they posted them to an online calendar. But it turns out that people hated to go because when they went to see live music by their friends, there was nowhere to sit and most of the "audience" didn't want live music. The coffee shop was stuck with clientele that they didn't want, essentially. Since they didn't do food there was no reason to go late because if you wanted to sit down with coffee, you couldn't (no seats).
    This is a simple fix, charge for the Wifi. No free wifi, they'll go elsewhere. Coffee, especialy drip coffee, doesn't have a great profit margin to it. The key is to bring in people who want to buy pasties and such.
    Another restaurant is a pizza place by an art college. To attract a later crowd, they offered free music every night. While they were getting started, anyone could sign up to play, although they set volume limits. They'd do two sets most nights, a "dinner band" that was quieter or acoustic, and then a more upbeat band for 9-12 or so. Because there's *always* live music, people don't worry so much about showing up on the right day, and it's been a huge success. Since they're a restaurant people would sit for about an hour or so and inevitably catch some music, too, which makes the place a lot of fun.

    The point of both stories is that when you have a local band, you a) need to realize that the best thing about local bands is that their friends will come see them perform and b) they need to be at a volume that won't alienate other patrons. If there's singing, they can't be interrupting actual conversation that people are having, so you'd need to be up front with the bands about volume. But you can have solo artists and duos as well. I suggest not doing any sort of dance-oriented bands/groups.
    Remember, if you're going to bring in live music, try to think along the lines of singer songwritter. The local hardcore band might have a great following, but chances are they're gonna want to take it up to 11.
    3) what's the local competition like?
    This is very important to remember, don't try to rock the boat too hard. And don't just seek out starbucks and caribou, look at other restraunts and even small venues to see what they're doing right and what they're doing wrong.
    4) stay true to what you know.

    No greater advice can be given then this. The problem starbucks had is when they tried to sell breakfast sandwiches and stuff like that. If you make really good coffee and cakes, stick to that! Don't feel the need to reinvent the wheel.

    Aside from what Eggy talked about, some new things to try would be to come up with your own roast of coffee. I had a supervisor at Starbucks who also roasted and blended his own coffee and customers loved trying it out. Also try to get into Latte art, as customers LOVE that and it's a fun way to bring in new blood without having to spend any extra money.

    Don't worry about pushing grinders and stuff like that. The trick is if they want to sell whole bean coffee, let them know you can grind it for them, using the perfect grind. This keeps them coming in where they're more likely to buy a cake or a cup of joe.

    Finaly, something that was a HUGE hit with the local crowd at my store was to host a coffee workshop. Talk about the different blends of coffee, how it's grown, picked, and roasted, maybe go into some of the history of it. Then go into the science of brewing it, why the grind and quality of water matters as much as the quality of the beans. Then press a cup of your favorite blend and teach people the correct way to taste coffee (taking time to smell the aroma of the coffee, then slurping it up so it spreads evenly across your palate). Talk about the individual taste each coffee has, if it's sweet or bitter. Maybe it has notes of chocolate or a nutty taste to it. Optionaly, you might want to press some Foldiers or Maxwell house so they can taste the difference between good beans and bad beans.

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  • TavataarTavataar Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Hosting a Trivia night during the week is always a lot of fun! Encourages people to stick around for 1.5 to 2 hours, buying coffee and such.

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  • KidDynamiteKidDynamite Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    PirateJon wrote: »
    Are cupcakes still a "big thing" where you are?

    Really, What is the deal with that. I mean I like cupcakes as much as the next guy, but why are they the "next big thing" (or I guess, the last "next big thing")

    To the OP, the book signing, poetry reading, live local bands (there was a trio of jazz guys from the local college around here, that were pretty killer)

    I also like the idea of "workshops" like, how to brew our coffee, and "making a shot of espresso".

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  • GungHoGungHo Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Cupcakes were trendy for awhile.

    Hell, Uggs and high fades were trendy for awhile. No one knows why.

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  • adytumadytum The Inevitable Rise And FallRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    In DC there was a cupcake bubble. Like the tech bubble or housing bubble. Seriously.

    I tried one from the premier bakery. I thought it was outright disgusting: it was so sweet the one bite I had nearly came back up.

    But that's neither here nor there.

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Tavataar wrote: »
    Hosting a Trivia night during the week is always a lot of fun! Encourages people to stick around for 1.5 to 2 hours, buying coffee and such.

    Actually, this is bad. People will buy one cup of coffee and then sit on it forever. It's fine when it's one or two people doing this, but large groups? No. They'll take up all the seating and you'll lose business. This really only works in bars where people are constantly refreshing their beverage.

    Also, if you do decide on music, do NOT do open mic. Nothing scares away customers more than some Jesus awful singer songwriter wailing away. If you want to do music, have something like a jazz trio or something along those lines.

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  • EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Jokerman wrote: »
    The key is to bring in people who want to buy pasties

    Here you go: add burlesque to your shop. It's win-win!


    Cupcakes: Cupcakes were trendy because they are single-serving cakes, and you could do fancy frosting/cake things with them. Cupcakes are also not something you can generally buy in stores. And they "caught on" because there's a fantastic profit margin on cupcakes, so the shops that started up could afford to be in trendy locations. But it's a pretty shitty business model for long-term sustainability -- you don't have to look any further than Krispy Kreme to see that just selling a super-sugary premium pastry is not an instant win.

    Open mic: Open mic means "We can't actually book performances effectively, so we're just going to leave this open to whoever shows up." You should always vet any performances you have, unless you're running an anarcho-communist coffee shop (we have one of those in Baltimore, mind). Open mic is the lazy way out. Require your potential performers to get a hold of you ahead of time; if you want to simulate an open mic, you can just do mini sets where each person plays 3-4 songs.

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  • TaterskinTaterskin Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    This doesn't happened to be in Atlanta, GA does it? I've been looking for a place like this to start a local socialite club.

    Maybe look into local meetup clubs? Maybe you can invite them to have their gatherings there?

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  • devCharlesdevCharles Gainesville, FLRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Two words: Jazz Trio. I used to do that at a coffee shop in Tampa (I played double bass with a guitarist and a tenor sax.) We were part of a rotating group of musicians. Because of it, the place really started to become a really kicking little night spot.

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