so are there revelations being made in this thread
epiphanies?
I'm kind of having a mini one about the nature of sovereignty and the character of the state but I'm not quite ready to write it down
that sounds like some heavy shit for a sunday afternoon
ps i'm thinking about buying a book of essays by dave kopel
this is related to you because he does some lawyering
it is but I'm not going to spend the day doing anything else so
if rights don't occur naturally then they're the product of the existence of states, or as someone said earlier, "they are what we say they are"
that being the case, it seems like they would generally be granted by the sovereign
but what if you're a Jeffersonian (just for the sake of argument here) and your claim is that sovereignty actually belongs to the people who have to consent to be governed? Would that be functionally different from rights granted by the sovereign?
If not, then legal rights are just the relationship between the people who claim them and the state
Doesn't this work for any two people or groups of people? Would you describe the way I form a relationship with a corporation (buying things, working for them) our rights? (mine and the corporation's)
If that is so, what makes the state qualitatively different from any other group?
this is what my mind does when it is bored
seems reasonable enough to me
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it is my understanding that bertrand russell is pretty cool, no?
i get a lot of his quotes on my homepage
bertrand russell was pretty staggeringly fantastic
i mean the dude wrote Principia Mathematica and thus set the ball rolling for computer science (and thus basically the 20th century), and also won the Nobel Prize for Literature for being basically the best essayist ever
Three passions, simple but overwhelmingly strong, have governed my life: the longing for love, the search for knowledge, and unbearable pity for the suffering of mankind. These passions, like great winds, have blown me hither and thither, in a wayward course, over a deep ocean of anguish, reaching to the very verge of despair.
I have sought love, first, because it brings ecstasy—ecstasy so great that I would often have sacrificed all the rest of life for a few hours of this joy. I have sought it, next, because it relieves loneliness—that terrible loneliness in which one shivering consciousness looks over the rim of the world into the cold unfathomable lifeless abyss. I have sought it, finally, because in the union of love I have seen, in a mystic miniature, the prefiguring vision of the heaven that saints and poets have imagined. This is what I sought, and though it might seem too good for human life, this is what—at last—I have found.
With equal passion I have sought knowledge. I have wished to understand the hearts of men. I have wished to know why the stars shine. And I have tried to apprehend the Pythagorean power by which number holds sway above the flux. A little of this, but not much, I have achieved.
Love and knowledge, so far as they were possible, led upward toward the heavens. But always pity brought me back to earth. Echoes of cries of pain reverberate in my heart. Children in famine, victims tortured by oppressors, helpless old people a hated burden to their sons, and the whole world of loneliness, poverty, and pain make a mockery of what human life should be. I long to alleviate the evil, but I cannot, and I too suffer.
This has been my life. I have found it worth living, and would gladly live it again if the chance were offered me.
well turing also contributed to the development of the computer! and probably would have more, if the british government hadn't forced him into suicide!
For fucks sake. All countries have done pretty horrible things. Be aware of them. Work on making the country you live in a better place...a democracy is only as good as the people in it.
ABC Diplomacy/CIA interventionism/Racial transgressions of the past were bad. Breaking fucking news. Countries should learn from the past, not live in it.
For fucks sake. All countries have done pretty horrible things. Be aware of them. Work on making the country you live in a better place...a democracy is only as good as the people in it.
ABC Diplomacy/CIA interventionism/Racial transgressions of the past were bad. Breaking fucking news. Countries should learn from the past, not live in it.
I think the possible response here would be:
Haha, past.
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I try to quash any patriotism I find in myself
it just don't make much sense to me
I still think canada is pretty cool, but I like to think it's for more objective reasons than "this place is the best because I happened to be born here"
I don't think there is anything wrong with loving your country. It seems like a healthy thing to love where you live. I would imagine since you love it, you would want to improve it as well.
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I try to quash any patriotism I find in myself
it just don't make much sense to me
I still think canada is pretty cool, but I like to think it's for more objective reasons than "this place is the best because I happened to be born here"
That to me sounds even worse because if we understand our love for our country as unreasoning
We're more inclined to be sympathetic to other's love for their own country
Whereas demanding objective reasoning leads to a lot of arguing with other people about their own feelings
well turing also contributed to the development of the computer! and probably would have more, if the british government hadn't forced him into suicide!
'contributed' inasmuch as he was one of its major founders yes
and he 'did more' inasmuch as he was one of the major codebreakers at bletchley park and thus basically let us win WW2
if you have a smaller country, it can be very important.
then again blind patriotism is kinda retarded. Its best to be proud of your country but not let it get to your head.
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I believe someone once said, "My country right or wrong is like saying my mother drunk or sober."
I think that makes a lot of sense both ways
You can love your country and still think it's doing terrible things and want to change it
At the same time, you had no control over who your parents were and even though they raised you, many other people could have just as well or better
That doesn't mean there's no reason to feel anything for your parents based on anything besides objective reasoning
You just have to remember "My dad can beat up you dad" is kid shit
I believe someone once said, "My country right or wrong is like saying my mother drunk or sober."
I think that makes a lot of sense both ways
You can love your country and still think it's doing terrible things and want to change it
At the same time, you had no control over who your parents were and even though they raised you, many other people could have just as well or better
That doesn't mean there's no reason to feel anything for your parents based on anything besides objective reasoning
You just have to remember "My dad can beat up you dad" is kid shit
my dad can actually beat up your dad though, that's the problem here.
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I have two dads.
Although one dad doesn't know about the other.
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seems reasonable enough to me
Is it?
Perhaps she's saying, "Britan makes no sense, you are muddled up".
yes hello how much
but then sometimes i realise that really those people could just have been born anywhere and that is not a reason to be proud of the uk
horrible, horrible civilization
that is not the same as bringing civilisation to the world
arthur wellington
admiral nelson
richard sharpe
monty python
you invaded places saying that you were bringing civilization
white man's burden and all that
really
no churchill
did he do something terrible that will ruin how awesome I think he is
my two favourites are maybe bertrand russell and alan turing
[edit]oh, and clement attlee, who basically kicks the shit out of every 20th century american president
it was a short list spur of the moment
winston is definitely on there
i get a lot of his quotes on my homepage
bertrand russell was pretty staggeringly fantastic
i mean the dude wrote Principia Mathematica and thus set the ball rolling for computer science (and thus basically the 20th century), and also won the Nobel Prize for Literature for being basically the best essayist ever
the fucking preface to russell's autobiography
ABC Diplomacy/CIA interventionism/Racial transgressions of the past were bad. Breaking fucking news. Countries should learn from the past, not live in it.
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I think the possible response here would be:
Haha, past.
What spring does with the cherry trees.
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This is fucked up.
Bertrand Russell is easily one of the best.
it just don't make much sense to me
I still think canada is pretty cool, but I like to think it's for more objective reasons than "this place is the best because I happened to be born here"
I don't think there is anything wrong with loving your country. It seems like a healthy thing to love where you live. I would imagine since you love it, you would want to improve it as well.
Do people really want to be like Hitler?!
Also if you drive alone, you're driving with Hitler.
Fuck the commies.
That to me sounds even worse because if we understand our love for our country as unreasoning
We're more inclined to be sympathetic to other's love for their own country
Whereas demanding objective reasoning leads to a lot of arguing with other people about their own feelings
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'contributed' inasmuch as he was one of its major founders yes
and he 'did more' inasmuch as he was one of the major codebreakers at bletchley park and thus basically let us win WW2
if you have a smaller country, it can be very important.
then again blind patriotism is kinda retarded. Its best to be proud of your country but not let it get to your head.
However, the ring will never leave your finger, and you will be unable to ever describe to another living person what you see.
nobody was colonized
we just killed all the brown people
liberia isn't even a real place
I think that makes a lot of sense both ways
You can love your country and still think it's doing terrible things and want to change it
At the same time, you had no control over who your parents were and even though they raised you, many other people could have just as well or better
That doesn't mean there's no reason to feel anything for your parents based on anything besides objective reasoning
You just have to remember "My dad can beat up you dad" is kid shit
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my dad can actually beat up your dad though, that's the problem here.
Although one dad doesn't know about the other.
What spring does with the cherry trees.