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Learning to play guitar

SliderSlider Registered User regular
edited May 2010 in Help / Advice Forum
I have recently acquired a nice, little guitar. A few minutes ago, I managed to contort my fingers in such a way that it produced a "chord." Then I got a cramp in my hand and realized that this will be more difficult than I thought.

Is there a preferred website for "beginners" wanting to learn the guitar?

How many hours should I devote per day? Any other advice?

Thanks.

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  • KlorgnumKlorgnum Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Slider wrote: »
    Is there a preferred website for "beginners" wanting to learn the guitar?

    http://www.justinguitar.com/
    How many hours should I devote per day? Any other advice?

    As many as you can is the only real answer to this. Just as long as you do it every day. It's better to practice for 15 minutes a day than it is to practice for 2 hours just once a week.

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  • tehmarkentehmarken BrooklynRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Using it every day is the best advice. Learning simple songs helps so you have some satisfaction early and enjoy getting even just 5 minutes on it.

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  • SeanronSeanron GlasgowRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Dunno what country your in, but the magazine Total Guitar has wonderful sections for beginners and also some technique sections.

    If your getting cramp, look up the correct finguring position onlnie. Could be that your holding the chord wrong, and that is what's leading to your pain.

    And I find even 5 - 10 minutes of just noodling or practicing works. I write quite alot of music so sessions can vary between like half an hour to maybe like 2 hours (depending on how productive I'm feeling), but at least 5 minutes a day sounds good :)

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  • BeltaineBeltaine BOO BOO DOO DE DOORegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I wish you luck.

    My fingers were too short and stubby to play guitar.

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  • Jimmy KingJimmy King Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I'm going to throw out the required "Get a lesson or two" suggestion. You don't need a lesson every week or any sort of expensive investment, especially if you just want to fuck around, but just 1 or 2 lessons with someone to get you started can help a lot. I have a friend that's been playing guitar for around 30 years now. When I first started I went over to his house to get pointers once a month or so for the first few months and still do every 6-9 months if I feel like I'm not making any progress.

    Other than that, I just watched random youtube videos when I first started. If something wasn't making sense or working well for me after watching one video and trying to do what it said, I'd search again and watch a few others to see if anyone explained it differently or had a different technique that would work. Videos from the previously mentioned justinguitar.com did come up quite a bit for me and they were very good.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited May 2010
    Videos and magazines are okay but they won't tell you if your posture sucks. And shitty posture will cause carpal tunnel to onset way quicker, give you unnecessary cramping (though early on a little isn't entirely unanticipated), and make the instrument harder to play.

    To that extent though, you really want a teacher who has been playing for a very longtime. Some college student in a music program is less likely to have yet mastered proper posture.

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  • 1/2 man 1/2 bear 1/2 pig1/2 man 1/2 bear 1/2 pig Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Acoustic? Buy Nylon strings.

    Electric? Buy the thinnest gauge strings you can find, I use these. Some people might say this is crazy advice, but if you're starting out and you don't want your fingers to hurt insanely, play on a light gauge string for a bit, then once you can play well enough you step yourself up through higher gauge strings building up finger strength.

    As always, you'll just need an insane amount of patience. I practiced about an hour a day plus for a few months straight when I started out.

    Also it wouldn't hurt you to check out this.

    Edit: Also I just wanted to add it sucks so hard when you are starting out, but if you really wanna play and are determined, that perseverance will pay you back 10 fold when you're tearing it up. Down the line you'll wonder what you did before you played guitar.

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  • 3drage3drage Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Pick up a few scale charts and make a decision about what type of guitar you are interested in playing. i.e. Rock, Blues, Classical. You can learn general things, but you'll find more interest if you start with a style of music you like or want to create.

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  • SliderSlider Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Beltaine wrote: »
    I wish you luck.

    My fingers were too short and stubby to play guitar.

    I've been a little worried about this, actually.

    Slider on
  • garroad_rangarroad_ran Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Slider wrote: »
    Beltaine wrote: »
    I wish you luck.

    My fingers were too short and stubby to play guitar.

    I've been a little worried about this, actually.

    Don't be, because it's nonsense. It makes chording a little trickier at first, but it won't really affect the playability of the instrument. In fact, you start to find lots of situations where fat fingers are actually useful.

    Like, say, this chord: x76779

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited May 2010
    Slider wrote: »
    Beltaine wrote: »
    I wish you luck.

    My fingers were too short and stubby to play guitar.

    I've been a little worried about this, actually.

    It's probably bullshit. I've got shorter fingers than anyone I know and I've only encountered a single chord I wasn't able to stretch to hit.

    I'm not kidding either, I have average-ish size palms for a guy, but my fingers are shorter than those on any woman I've ever dated. Having "small hands" is an excuse for "don't want to have to work harder". You'll just need a little more forearm strength and endurance than larger handed players but I doubt it'll ever completely prevent you from doing whatever you want with the instrument.

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  • Jimmy KingJimmy King Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Pheezer wrote: »
    Slider wrote: »
    Beltaine wrote: »
    I wish you luck.

    My fingers were too short and stubby to play guitar.

    I've been a little worried about this, actually.

    It's probably bullshit. I've got shorter fingers than anyone I know and I've only encountered a single chord I wasn't able to stretch to hit.

    I'm not kidding either, I have average-ish size palms for a guy, but my fingers are shorter than those on any woman I've ever dated. Having "small hands" is an excuse for "don't want to have to work harder". You'll just need a little more forearm strength and endurance than larger handed players but I doubt it'll ever completely prevent you from doing whatever you want with the instrument.
    I'll never believe a "my hands/fingers are too small" excuse. I've got big hands, but fairly short, stubby fingers. The only issues I have are with the last 2-3 frets on guitars with crap upper fret access where the frets are buried below the cut out.

    If you're a teen or adult, your hands are bigger than this kid's. I've seen many videos of him, that's not him pretending while an adult really plays or anything like that.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ow5Dyc8EF0

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  • SliderSlider Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
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  • Jimmy KingJimmy King Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Perfectly doable within a few weeks to couple months of playing, I'd think, depending on your natural talent for the instrument and how hard you work at it. Go for it, it'll be a lot of fun. I really should learn that song myself. The scene where Michael J. Fox plays that song in Back to the Future is one of the earliest influences that made me want to play guitar, even though I didn't pick one up until nearly 20 years later.

    Don't worry too much about picking something that you think might be too hard, either. I always make the most progress when I'm trying to play something way out of my league.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited May 2010
    Any idiot can shred. It's a known, defined set of techniques that haven't been a mystery for decades. Practice every day and you'll get there. Writing your own material that doesn't rely far too heavily on ground long broken by others is a lot harder but the first thing to do is to learn how to do the shit you've always wanted to do and then once you've got some basic skills, work to develop your own sense of style and start working with other musicians. That's the real fun, whether you feel the need to be able to shred before you can do that or if you just want to hammer out three chord punk rock, learn how it's done and then as soon as you can, start finding other guys to play music with.

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  • garroad_rangarroad_ran Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Jimmy King wrote: »
    I'll never believe a "my hands/fingers are too small" excuse.

    Well, there are physical limitations that pop up once in a while... like when I try to play the Am11 chord at 1:47 in this video

    x79533

    Don't try this at home kids.

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  • EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Buy a metronome. Timing is everything in music. Fucking up notes or missing a chord change sucks, but nothing ruins a session faster than not being able to play in time. You don't need to practice with it on all the time, of course, but it should be a part of your routine.

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  • SliderSlider Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    My fingers are sore...

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  • soxboxsoxbox Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Pheezer wrote: »
    That's the real fun, whether you feel the need to be able to shred before you can do that or if you just want to hammer out three chord punk rock, learn how it's done and then as soon as you can, start finding other guys to play music with.

    Just seconding this - as soon as you can play ANYTHING, go and do it with other people. My girlfriend spent nearly 2 years in guitar lessons and carried a lot of doubt about her ability to ever get any good at anything until she actually sat down and had a jam session with a couple of workmates. Playing solo, she'd hit bum notes and miss notes and thought she sounded horrible - getting in amongst a bunch of other players and seeing that you don't have to be perfect 100% of the time (and learning to play through errors) will help immensely.

    Also, she has about the smallest hands you're ever likely to see in a healthy adult (she's 4'11 and generally tiny in every way), and while she does get pain trying to do a few chords, small hands doesn't really hamper her at all.

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  • Wicked Uncle ErnieWicked Uncle Ernie Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Slider wrote: »
    I have recently acquired a nice, little guitar. A few minutes ago, I managed to contort my fingers in such a way that it produced a "chord." Then I got a cramp in my hand and realized that this will be more difficult than I thought.

    Is there a preferred website for "beginners" wanting to learn the guitar?

    How many hours should I devote per day? Any other advice?

    Thanks.

    First. I am also just beginning. I began understanding that it would take a great deal of effort, and pain (I'm a mechanic so I'm already calloused up, but man, you use some muscles that previously didn't exist in your arm.) to become proficient at playing the guitar. I also believe playing the guitar, or any instrument is much more than learning notes and playing them in the right order so you sound like Stevie Ray Vaughn. Learning to improvise and adapt is really learning the fundamentals of the guitar.

    Start with your major chords, then minors, then sevenths. You'll find that a LOT of songs use only 3 chords. Bad moon Rising is D A G D, for instance. There's more there, but that's a beginning. Learn the strum and you can play right along. Oh, run scales too. They help with accuracy with both your Fretting hand and your strum. Don't try to blaze through the chords or scales. Go for accuracy and a clean sounding note. Speed will come with time.

    This guy is pretty neat, it's folk guitar, but he teaches a lot of good habits. http://www.archive.org/details/folk.guitar

    I practice at least a half hour, each night that I'm home.


    If you can type worth a shit, remember when you had to hunt and peck. Now you don't even look at the keyboard. It's the same with the neck of the guitar, you have to develop that feel for where you are, without looking. The only way you can do that is with a lot of practice.

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  • Sir CarcassSir Carcass I have been shown the end of my world Round Rock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Pheezer wrote: »
    the first thing to do is to learn how to do the shit you've always wanted to do

    Yep, this is always my advice to people wanting to learn to play guitar. Learn to read tablature (very easy), then find some tab of songs you like, learn them, then play the shit out of them. I started with lessons but got very bored with playing crap like Mary Had a Little Lamb. I wanted to rock! But buying tab books (in the days before the internet) is what kept me playing, and still playing to this day. Once you become familiar with the instrument, you can work on actually learning the finer points of it, and music in general. I also always recommend a chord book, one that shows you the fingering of the chords. I started with a Mel Bay book that would have the chord diagram and then a picture of a guy's hand fingering the chord.

    The only potential pitfall is developing bad habits early on. If you have someone that can show you basic things like how to hold the guitar, it's a good idea. If not, taking lessons for a month or two might not be a bad idea either.

    If you're not already, force yourself to use a pick. I know when I started, using a pick was cumbersome and it was much easier to just use my thumb, but you won't get anywhere without using a pick. Unless you grow your fingernails out and play classical, I guess.

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  • Raif SeveranceRaif Severance Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I took lessons when I first wanted to learn how to play. The "instructor" said, "Ok! What do you want to learn?" I was confused because I thought I was paying him to teach me. I stopped going after about 2 weeks when I discovered how to read Tab.

    I printed off song after song written in tab off the internet. Any song I thought sounded cool or that I liked I had the tab to play it. Eventually you realize what you are actually playing are chords and there are certain progressions of chords that sound good together and even in different combinations. I would recommend learning the open chords first and then the bar chords second. I also found it easier to use electric strings at first even if you have an acoustic guitar. Finding your brand of strings and what gauge along with what size pick is crucial. That can really only come with trial and error.

    Learn how to string your own guitar if you haven't already. Buy an electric tuner at first but learn how the low E sounds and memorize it. Eventually you'll be able to "feel" when your guitar is in tune.

    I may have rambled a bit. Basically, what worked for me was finding songs I wanted to play and learning how to play them off of tabulature. Keep at it everyday and build up those calluses. The more you play the easier it gets.

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  • BackstopBackstop Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Most of my advice has already been said but I will ++ it for emphasis.
    • Take a few lessons to get feedback on your basics
    • As soon as you have the basics start learning songs
    • In addition to playing songs practice chords and scales
    • Playing with others increases your confidence and motivation

    Once good habit that Guitar Hero/Rock Band actually teaches: you can't stop and fix mistakes when playing - just plow through and bet back on track as quickly as possible. It's a terrible thing to have to sit through when someone is trying to play a song and keeps stopping "whoops, whoops") and re-starting or trying to quickly play all the notes they missed and catch up to the other players.

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  • BurnsBurns Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Slider wrote: »
    I want to learn how to play this:

    "Johnny B Goode"
    When you're ready (and seriously, don't expect to pick up and play this flawlessly tomorrow, I've been playing around for a few months and haven't quite got it), these should help:

    Mart teaches Johnny B Goode

    Mart teaches Johnny B Goode pt 2

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  • Sir CarcassSir Carcass I have been shown the end of my world Round Rock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Backstop wrote: »
    Most of my advice has already been said but I will ++ it for emphasis.
    • Take a few lessons to get feedback on your basics
    • As soon as you have the basics start learning songs
    • In addition to playing songs practice chords and scales
    • Playing with others increases your confidence and motivation

    Once good habit that Guitar Hero/Rock Band actually teaches: you can't stop and fix mistakes when playing - just plow through and bet back on track as quickly as possible. It's a terrible thing to have to sit through when someone is trying to play a song and keeps stopping "whoops, whoops") and re-starting or trying to quickly play all the notes they missed and catch up to the other players.

    Yeah, I was in a band in high school that would stop during practice whenever someone got lost. It was so infuriating.

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  • BackstopBackstop Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Also note that by "learn to play a song" people are saying learn to play the whole song, at least the rhythm part. Don't be one of those guys that shows off the first 15 seconds of Stairway to Heaven and the opening to Pork and Beans at parties. :)

    Backstop on
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