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    dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Preacher wrote: »
    Oh hey the SCOTUS took away our Miranda rights.

    Good times to be American.

    Unless you're a real american, then today is a fucking great day.

    i've been tearing off my shirt all day

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    ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Oh hey the SCOTUS took away our Miranda rights.

    Good times to be American.

    say what

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    HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2010
    I completed the racing mission for a friend to stop a genocide of mice and keyboards. That is my diplomatic experience. After that I stopped all wars ever from happening, with my time machine.

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    MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    Oh hey the SCOTUS took away our Miranda rights.

    Good times to be American.

    say what

    To use your right to remain silent you must express now that you are invoking this right. I heard it on the radio earlier today.

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    YamiNoSenshiYamiNoSenshi A point called Z In the complex planeRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    Oh hey the SCOTUS took away our Miranda rights.

    Good times to be American.

    say what

    You have to explicitly state you are exercising your right to remain silent. Simply remaining silent is not enough.

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    ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    Oh hey the SCOTUS took away our Miranda rights.

    Good times to be American.

    say what

    You have to explicitly state you are exercising your right to remain silent. Simply remaining silent is not enough.

    thats not that big of a deal is it?

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Oh hey the SCOTUS took away our Miranda rights.

    Good times to be American.

    say what

    You have to explicitly state you are exercising your right to remain silent. Simply remaining silent is not enough.

    thats not that big of a deal is it?

    Erosion of freedom is always small to start.

    Also god damned activist judges!

    Wonder how long this takes to get blamed on Obama.

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    japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    Oh hey the SCOTUS took away our Miranda rights.

    Good times to be American.

    say what

    You have to explicitly state you are exercising your right to remain silent. Simply remaining silent is not enough.

    I there a link to the context of this? I can't think of a set of circumstances where that doesn't seem utterly bizarre.

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    ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Preacher wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Oh hey the SCOTUS took away our Miranda rights.

    Good times to be American.

    say what

    You have to explicitly state you are exercising your right to remain silent. Simply remaining silent is not enough.

    thats not that big of a deal is it?

    Erosion of freedom is always small to start.

    Also god damned activist judges!

    fair enough

    i always assumed whenever i was exercising that right i was gonna state it anyway

    like "i have the right to remain silent, and shall do so"

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    YamiNoSenshiYamiNoSenshi A point called Z In the complex planeRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    japan wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Oh hey the SCOTUS took away our Miranda rights.

    Good times to be American.

    say what

    You have to explicitly state you are exercising your right to remain silent. Simply remaining silent is not enough.

    I there a link to the context of this? I can't think of a set of circumstances where that doesn't seem utterly bizarre.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-court-miranda-20100602,0,1344181.story

    Also affects your right against self incrimination.

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    WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Well bugger. It's not letting me log back into risk.

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    BobCescaBobCesca Is a girl Birmingham, UKRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    It's not even 9pm yet and I am nearly falling asleep in front of the computer.

    I am so pathetic.

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    OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited June 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Oh hey the SCOTUS took away our Miranda rights.

    Good times to be American.

    say what

    You have to explicitly state you are exercising your right to remain silent. Simply remaining silent is not enough.

    thats not that big of a deal is it?

    Erosion of freedom is always small to start.

    Also god damned activist judges!

    fair enough

    i always assumed whenever i was exercising that right i was gonna state it anyway

    like "i have the right to remain silent, and shall do so"

    a lot of people just clam up

    personally i don't start running my mouth until after the cops are dead

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    dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    yeah i mean its not like you have to verbally invoke the 5th amendment do you?
    Thats kinda where the power in that lies isn't it?

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    the old west has never been captured by any kind of media correctly

    the famous 'draw!' duel in the street happened maybe one time at most

    arguably woman built the wild west as much as men if not more so

    there are never chinese immigrants in old westerns and they built a huge amount of the west

    and so on and so forth.
    Deadwood is reasonably accurate, actually.

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    DaxonDaxon Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Winky wrote: »
    Well bugger. It's not letting me log back into risk.

    D:

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    ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Winky wrote: »
    Well bugger. It's not letting me log back into risk.

    winky go to the client and click "my games"

    Arch on
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    Raiden333Raiden333 Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Cops still have to tell people they have the right, don't they?

    I mean, don't get me wrong, I agree that even small erosions of freedom are bad and it's a poor decision, I just can't see how this significantly changes anything. I can't imagine a scenario where now things will be different. Do we really have people who are just keeping their mouths shut and pretending the cops aren't there without saying "I want to talk to my lawyer" or something to that effect?

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    dlinfiniti wrote: »
    yeah i mean its not like you have to verbally invoke the 5th amendment do you?
    Thats kinda where the power in that lies isn't it?

    Yeah but the 5th is self incrimination, just not talking to police was an implied right and now you have to vocalize it, thats kind of putting in a direction I don't like.

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    WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    Well bugger. It's not letting me log back into risk.

    winky go to the client and click "my games"

    It keeps saying "login refused".

    Winky on
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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Winky wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    Well bugger. It's not letting me log back into risk.

    winky go to the client and click "my games"

    It keeps saying "login refused".

    Well don't force it rapist!

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    DaxonDaxon Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Winky wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    Well bugger. It's not letting me log back into risk.

    winky go to the client and click "my games"

    It keeps saying "login refused".

    We're starting a new game fyi.

    Daxon on
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    YamiNoSenshiYamiNoSenshi A point called Z In the complex planeRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Raiden333 wrote: »
    Cops still have to tell people they have the right, don't they?

    I mean, don't get me wrong, I agree that even small erosions of freedom are bad and it's a poor decision, I just can't see how this significantly changes anything. I can't imagine a scenario where now things will be different. Do we really have people who are just keeping their mouths shut and pretending the cops aren't there without saying "I want to talk to my lawyer" or something to that effect?

    Now, until you explicitly invoke your rights, they can interrogate you as long as they like. And the part of the population that doesn't keep up with news like this won't know that they have to speak up.

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    japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    japan wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Oh hey the SCOTUS took away our Miranda rights.

    Good times to be American.

    say what

    You have to explicitly state you are exercising your right to remain silent. Simply remaining silent is not enough.

    I there a link to the context of this? I can't think of a set of circumstances where that doesn't seem utterly bizarre.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-court-miranda-20100602,0,1344181.story

    Also affects your right against self incrimination.

    I feel like I'm missing something here.

    He wasn't convicted because he remained silent, he was convicted because he didn't remain silent.

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Dax I'd trim that sig, its too tall.

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    WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Daxon wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    Well bugger. It's not letting me log back into risk.

    winky go to the client and click "my games"

    It keeps saying "login refused".

    We're starting a new game fyi.

    I can't get into the client at all.

    We could try playing at http://www.strategygamenetwork.com/, I know that one works for sure.

    Winky on
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    YamiNoSenshiYamiNoSenshi A point called Z In the complex planeRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    japan wrote: »
    japan wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Oh hey the SCOTUS took away our Miranda rights.

    Good times to be American.

    say what

    You have to explicitly state you are exercising your right to remain silent. Simply remaining silent is not enough.

    I there a link to the context of this? I can't think of a set of circumstances where that doesn't seem utterly bizarre.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-court-miranda-20100602,0,1344181.story

    Also affects your right against self incrimination.

    I feel like I'm missing something here.

    He wasn't convicted because he remained silent, he was convicted because he didn't remain silent.

    They kept interrogating him. They're supposed to stop if he claims his right to keep silent, which he thought he was doing implicitly by staying silent.

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    Raiden333Raiden333 Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Raiden333 wrote: »
    Cops still have to tell people they have the right, don't they?

    I mean, don't get me wrong, I agree that even small erosions of freedom are bad and it's a poor decision, I just can't see how this significantly changes anything. I can't imagine a scenario where now things will be different. Do we really have people who are just keeping their mouths shut and pretending the cops aren't there without saying "I want to talk to my lawyer" or something to that effect?

    Now, until you explicitly invoke your rights, they can interrogate you as long as they like. And the part of the population that doesn't keep up with news like this won't know that they have to speak up.

    But don't they do that anyway?

    Like, if the cops think I killed somebody, aren't they going to interrogate me and play good cop bad cop until I tell them "I'm not saying anything until I talk to my lawyer"

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    DaxonDaxon Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Raiden333 wrote: »
    Cops still have to tell people they have the right, don't they?

    I mean, don't get me wrong, I agree that even small erosions of freedom are bad and it's a poor decision, I just can't see how this significantly changes anything. I can't imagine a scenario where now things will be different. Do we really have people who are just keeping their mouths shut and pretending the cops aren't there without saying "I want to talk to my lawyer" or something to that effect?

    Now, until you explicitly invoke your rights, they can interrogate you as long as they like. And the part of the population that doesn't keep up with news like this won't know that they have to speak up.

    Can't this also go on your court/case record as being non-cooperative though?

    edit: in other news my flatmate's parents are both cops - she's studying law and sometimes the stuff they say they do at work is quite horrible for her (to hear about) cause it's incredibly illegal.

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    ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Winky wrote: »
    Daxon wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    Well bugger. It's not letting me log back into risk.

    winky go to the client and click "my games"

    It keeps saying "login refused".

    We're starting a new game fyi.

    I can't get into the client at all.

    We could try playing at http://www.strategygamenetwork.com/, I know that one works for sure.

    i dont know i only have 45 minutes, and this one worked pretty well

    Arch on
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    dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Raiden333 wrote: »
    Cops still have to tell people they have the right, don't they?

    I mean, don't get me wrong, I agree that even small erosions of freedom are bad and it's a poor decision, I just can't see how this significantly changes anything. I can't imagine a scenario where now things will be different. Do we really have people who are just keeping their mouths shut and pretending the cops aren't there without saying "I want to talk to my lawyer" or something to that effect?

    Now, until you explicitly invoke your rights, they can interrogate you as long as they like. And the part of the population that doesn't keep up with news like this won't know that they have to speak up.

    not really, they can just continue to not say anything, you cant be convicted due to a null answer

    i do think someone needs to come up with a piece of legislation making it illegal to conduct interviews without at least a court appointed attorney present though

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    Raiden333Raiden333 Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Also this 5th ammendment thing would probably make a good thread that I would follow, but I suck at writing OPs.

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    BobCesca wrote: »
    I blame honk

    This seems like a sound theory.

    Where might I sign up for more information?

    really there's not much else to know

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    WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Hm, I can't log in at all. It just won't let me.

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    YamiNoSenshiYamiNoSenshi A point called Z In the complex planeRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Raiden333 wrote: »
    Raiden333 wrote: »
    Cops still have to tell people they have the right, don't they?

    I mean, don't get me wrong, I agree that even small erosions of freedom are bad and it's a poor decision, I just can't see how this significantly changes anything. I can't imagine a scenario where now things will be different. Do we really have people who are just keeping their mouths shut and pretending the cops aren't there without saying "I want to talk to my lawyer" or something to that effect?

    Now, until you explicitly invoke your rights, they can interrogate you as long as they like. And the part of the population that doesn't keep up with news like this won't know that they have to speak up.

    But don't they do that anyway?

    Like, if the cops think I killed somebody, aren't they going to interrogate me and play good cop bad cop until I tell them "I'm not saying anything until I talk to my lawyer"

    If I'm understanding it, the default state was you were exercising your right to remain silent and they had to prove you waived it. Now the burden is upon the accused.

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    Aroused BullAroused Bull Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Winky wrote: »
    Daxon wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    Well bugger. It's not letting me log back into risk.

    winky go to the client and click "my games"

    It keeps saying "login refused".

    We're starting a new game fyi.

    I can't get into the client at all.

    We could try playing at http://www.strategygamenetwork.com/, I know that one works for sure.

    Trying now.

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    SheepSheep Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2010
    I don't think that ruling is going to change much.

    It looks like it's basically "We will interrogate you if you do not invoke that right."

    Which is kinda how it always happens.

    The example given was a man who never request an attorney and answered in an affirmative that he killed someone.

    The right to remain silent is just that. You have the right to remain silent. Doesn't mean that if you do say something that what you say can not be used against you.

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    ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Raiden333 wrote: »
    Raiden333 wrote: »
    Cops still have to tell people they have the right, don't they?

    I mean, don't get me wrong, I agree that even small erosions of freedom are bad and it's a poor decision, I just can't see how this significantly changes anything. I can't imagine a scenario where now things will be different. Do we really have people who are just keeping their mouths shut and pretending the cops aren't there without saying "I want to talk to my lawyer" or something to that effect?

    Now, until you explicitly invoke your rights, they can interrogate you as long as they like. And the part of the population that doesn't keep up with news like this won't know that they have to speak up.

    But don't they do that anyway?

    Like, if the cops think I killed somebody, aren't they going to interrogate me and play good cop bad cop until I tell them "I'm not saying anything until I talk to my lawyer"

    If I'm understanding it, the default state was you were exercising your right to remain silent and they had to prove you waived it. Now the burden is upon the accused.

    so wait they just flipped "innocent until proven guilty" into "guilty until proven innocent" in the case of miranda rights?

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    DaxonDaxon Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Winky wrote: »
    Daxon wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    Well bugger. It's not letting me log back into risk.

    winky go to the client and click "my games"

    It keeps saying "login refused".

    We're starting a new game fyi.

    I can't get into the client at all.

    We could try playing at http://www.strategygamenetwork.com/, I know that one works for sure.

    Trying now.

    I've got an account - called Daxon

    Daxon on
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    ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Winky wrote: »
    Daxon wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    Well bugger. It's not letting me log back into risk.

    winky go to the client and click "my games"

    It keeps saying "login refused".

    We're starting a new game fyi.

    I can't get into the client at all.

    We could try playing at http://www.strategygamenetwork.com/, I know that one works for sure.

    Trying now.

    ugh no offense but i am gonna be a goose and say

    i dont feel like registering for a FOURTH gaming site today

    Arch on
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