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They're mine, from when I had my surgery. I was looking through a cabinet the other day and stumbled across it. It crossed my mind to take it recreational. Is there any danger in this? It's generic Lortab which is vicodin + acetaminophen. I'm on anti depressants and synthroid, and don't have any addictions...not even WoW anymore.
Edit: Tried two to no effect the other day, decided to check the thread and I see it's run away. I'll be taking them to the pharmacy along with several other expired medications for proper disposal. Thanks for the advice.
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Vicodin is just another brand of Lortab. They are some mixture of hydrocodone and acetaminophen. 5/500 is the popular dose.
You should read the dosage on the bottle so you know what you're taking, and the most I've ever seen anyone take recreationally is 5, because the acetaminophen will shred your stomach in large doses.
However, without knowing what the dosage is in your pills, I can't give you a ballpark on what's safeish.
Yeah so 3-5 works. You could probably take more safely, except for the acetaminophen. Break them in half, or don't, depending on personal taste. If you've got that many you might as well start with 3 and see how you like that and go from there.
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The acetaminophen won't hurt your stomach however it can do damage to your liver. I believe its called hepatotoxicity. Don't ingest more than 4000mg of acetaminophen which would be 8 of your vicodins. I definitely would not recommend taking 8 of those things at once if you don't do opiates normally.
In terms of addiction please do not kid yourself about this. You are still dealing with a powerful opiate. Tolerance can build quickly and at a dosage of 2-4 pills you could easily do this daily for a week or two at least. At the end of that bottle you're probably going to want more and it can be a tough fight. Tougher for others than it is for some.
I had my hot minute with those pills and I started the exact same way you are now. All I'll say is your treading in some dangerous waters my friend. Be careful and good luck.
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edited June 2010
I'm just going to go ahead and say that this probably isn't a great idea.
You're better off not getting started with it, even if you're positive it'd be a once-and-done thing.
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Yeah I would strongly advise against recreational opiate abuse. One of the sad side effects of the all drugs is evil campaign is that once you realize that some aren't necessarily worse than alcohol or cigarettes, you then can't assume that any given drug is necessarily so bad as you were told.
Except that some drugs really are extremely addictive. Opiates can hook you upon trivially small abuses. The acetaminophen can be highly destructive if you aren't careful. It's not a good drug and it won't even do anything particularly worthwhile anyhow. You may as well just be getting drunk if that's the alternative. You won't be hallucinating or experiencing synaesthesia. It's dangerous, highly addictive and offers astonishingly little.
Flush em.
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I wouldn't flush them. I'd turn them into a pharmacy where they can dispose of them properly. There is a problem with drugs seeping into the sewage system, then the ground water, which may affect water quality in your area.
If you're going to take them, I would be careful to avoid re-dosing when you feel the effects of your high starting to wane. "Stringing" doses out to maintain a high is how you become addicted and why you hear the term "strung out."
The addiction potential of opiates cannot be overstated. Opiates are both psychologically and physically addicting. Long-term opiate addicts have an intense physical addiction where any withdraw sends them into a state of more or less indescribable agony. This only happens to heavy, long-term users, however you may experience moderate withdraw symptoms even after careful recreational usage. Moderate opiate withdraw is usually cold sweats, agitation, nausea, sometimes a headache, and feeling generally depressed.
The pills you have are not very good as recreational drugs. The acetaminophen content maybe too high to produce a pleasurable opiate high without exceeding the daily recommendations for acetaminophen intake, and risk potential liver damage.
However, if you have no previous experience with opiates and no tolerance to them, you could likely produce a pleasurable high. The opiate high can be very relaxing, and in some cases, euphoric.
Strictly, the best advice is to not take them. You risk potential liver damage, and though you will probably not end up an opiate addict, there is no need to risk it.
If you do decide to proceed with taking these, you may as well start with two, remember that you can always decide to take more, but you cannot decide to take less. Limit your dosing carefully. The risk of opiate overdose is always lingering, but the primary concern with your pills would be liver damage from too much acetaminophen intake.
Be aware that if you take these repeatedly (a few days in a row) you will begin to develop a tolerance. This is why I say these are not very good recreational drugs. Although you will probably get high a few times, your tolerance will eventually demand you to increase dosage to feel the same effects after experiencing them a few times. This is true of any opiate, but the acetaminophen content in your pills could mean you'll be putting your liver at risk to experience the same effects as last time.
Vicodin is actually hydrocodone, and that is the active opiate you'll be taking.
Seriously, DXM is a better drug. You're better off abusing cough syrup. Think about that. You could end up addicted to something that isn't even as worthwhile as COUGH SYRUP.
Also, please do not mistake this for an endorsement regarding the abuse of dextromethorphan.
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Also, it should be said that you should avoid drinking alcohol with these. Do not take acetaminophen with alcohol. It is also a bad idea to combine two depressant drugs, so drinking should be ruled out for your safety.
When there is a girl thread everyone jumps to the worst possible conclusion and screams at the OP to break up with her.
When there's a thread about abusing pain meds, everyone is cool.
Ridiculous.
OP, don't be a silly goose, it isn't worth it.
It only seems like 3 people in this thread are 'cool' about this, honestly. Everyone else is either telling him to dispose of them, or how to take them with out dying because he's proooobably going to be taking them anyway. Might as well help keep the guy safe.
I really do advise against taking them though. I can't imagine the harm that could do to your liver, not to mention the addictiveness of it. This is just...really not a great idea.
They're mine, from when I had my surgery. I was looking through a cabinet the other day and stumbled across it. It uh, crossed my mind, to take it recreationally. Is there any danger in this? It's generic Lortab which is vicodin + acetaminophen. I'm on anti depressants and synthroid, and don't have any addictions...not even WoW anymore.
Look, if you take them, at least make sure to plan it out to where you have enough to wean yourself back off of them. If you just cold stop on a semi-high dose, it will probably cause physical pain making you want, uh, pain pills. You'll work your way right into an addition, so it least be a little smart about your abuse.
And if you get rid of them, do not flush them. Take them to a pharmacy and get rid of them properly. We have enough problems with water pollution.
Taking one once in a while isn't going to turn you into Dr. House for Christ sake.
Better yet, save them for when you get a nasty headache or hurt your self or are having a crappy day to chill out.
Taking one once in a while isn't going to turn you into Dr. House for Christ sake.
Better yet, save them for when you get a nasty headache or hurt your self or are having a crappy day to chill out.
Did you even read the fucking thread?
He's asking specifically for advice regarding abusing them to get high. Not whether it's safe to use one when he gets a headache. Don't post without actualy readin the original question again or it'll be an infraction.
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Taking one once in a while isn't going to turn you into Dr. House for Christ sake.
Better yet, save them for when you get a nasty headache or hurt your self or are having a crappy day to chill out.
Did you even read the fucking thread?
He's asking specifically for advice regarding abusing them to get high. Not whether it's safe to use one when he gets a headache. Don't post without actualy readin the original question again or it'll be an infraction.
Well, certainly no expert here, but using them if he gets a headache and using them to get a little high is still using them in a manner not intended by his doctor. Wouldn't they both be considered abuse?
His safety is still "in question". I toss that in quotes because obviously he can take them, as he has before.
Though it seems most people are worried he'll suddenly become addicted.
If that's the case, put a couple aside and dispose of the rest before you take them.
There's a big difference between popping one for a headache and taking three hoping to get high. One is a lot more likely to lead to chemical dependency than the other.
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There's a big difference between popping one for a headache and taking three hoping to get high. One is a lot more likely to lead to chemical dependency than the other.
Popping three pills will certainly bring one closer to chemical dependency faster than one pill, but does the intention actually matter?
I know this is kind of a tangent, but I'm curious: won't a person generally become chemically addicted to a given pharmaceutical as quickly as if the person is in a condition for which the pharmaceutical is prescribed as if the person is not in said condition? Or does being in pain/whatever mitigate the rate at which chemical dependency may develop?
People who are suggesting that it is ok to do this honestly have no idea what hey are talking about. This is a terrible idea, abusing prescription medication for a high. As someone who works within drug rehabilitation organization although not clinical, I can't tell you how many people start with prescription meds thinking that it is safe or won't lead to anything more serious.
So I'm curious, can anyone talk about the legality of this? I mean, intuitively, I'd guess it's legal because they're his drugs after all. On the other hand, with how crazy our "War on Drugs" is in making sure the government protects people from themselves, I have no idea.
Is intentionally taking prescription medications, prescribed to you, for recreational purposes illegal? It may be difficult to prove the intent behind taking them but I just want to know if such a prohibition even exists.
No one ever plans on getting addicted to pills / opiates. Think about that. It ALWAYS starts with, well, I'll just try a few of these...
My friend got a ton of codine for this shoulder problem he had, honestly by the end of his prescription he was kind of addicted, the thing was it was just impossible for him to get more.
I would advise against taking them. You could give them to friends, sell them, save them for when you feel shitty, but honestly the best thing to do would be to throw them away. I would probably end up trading them for weed, but that's just because of the people I hangout with.
38 pills is a lot.
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So I'm curious, can anyone talk about the legality of this? I mean, intuitively, I'd guess it's legal because they're his drugs after all. On the other hand, with how crazy our "War on Drugs" is in making sure the government protects people from themselves, I have no idea.
Is intentionally taking prescription medications, prescribed to you, for recreational purposes illegal? It may be difficult to prove the intent behind taking them but I just want to know if such a prohibition even exists.
Jesus. I hope not. Can you imagine how that law could possibly be worded?
So I'm curious, can anyone talk about the legality of this? I mean, intuitively, I'd guess it's legal because they're his drugs after all. On the other hand, with how crazy our "War on Drugs" is in making sure the government protects people from themselves, I have no idea.
Is intentionally taking prescription medications, prescribed to you, for recreational purposes illegal? It may be difficult to prove the intent behind taking them but I just want to know if such a prohibition even exists.
Jesus. I hope not. Can you imagine how that law could possibly be worded?
I imagine it would be something like: "Your vitals will constantly be monitored. If we see or otherwise detect any pharmaceutical use through the vidplate when your vitals do not dictate necessity, you will be fed to the incinerator to become robot food."
(Although in all seriousness I'm willing to bet there are at least ordinances in many locations that prohibit vehicular use while under the influence of certain prescribed medications. But I doubt there's any law preventing you from using a legitimately-obtained medicine in a way that isn't recommended by the doctor. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure the laws only govern (a) how to get the drug and (b) giving/selling the drug to other people. And probably, as I said, (c) driving while under the side effects of certain medications.)
There's a big difference between popping one for a headache and taking three hoping to get high. One is a lot more likely to lead to chemical dependency than the other.
Popping three pills will certainly bring one closer to chemical dependency faster than one pill, but does the intention actually matter?
I know this is kind of a tangent, but I'm curious: won't a person generally become chemically addicted to a given pharmaceutical as quickly as if the person is in a condition for which the pharmaceutical is prescribed as if the person is not in said condition? Or does being in pain/whatever mitigate the rate at which chemical dependency may develop?
Yes and no. The usage profile is different. People popping three at a time trying to get high will be more likely to try to string the high out longer by taking more as it wears off. So you're adjusting your body to a perpetually elevated dosage rather than taking smaller dosages at wider intervals.
That's not to say that some people using them for pain relief don't do a similar thing and get just as addicted, it's just that when you're only using them for pain relief when you actually need them as opposed to trying to maintain a perpetual dosage in your system, you're less likely to get addicted.
So intent plays a role in that it strongly influences the type of usage.
But yes I will lock this now at the thread creator's request.
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You should read the dosage on the bottle so you know what you're taking, and the most I've ever seen anyone take recreationally is 5, because the acetaminophen will shred your stomach in large doses.
However, without knowing what the dosage is in your pills, I can't give you a ballpark on what's safeish.
In terms of addiction please do not kid yourself about this. You are still dealing with a powerful opiate. Tolerance can build quickly and at a dosage of 2-4 pills you could easily do this daily for a week or two at least. At the end of that bottle you're probably going to want more and it can be a tough fight. Tougher for others than it is for some.
I had my hot minute with those pills and I started the exact same way you are now. All I'll say is your treading in some dangerous waters my friend. Be careful and good luck.
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You're better off not getting started with it, even if you're positive it'd be a once-and-done thing.
Take the bottle of pills, go to your toilet, pour, flush. Done.
Except that some drugs really are extremely addictive. Opiates can hook you upon trivially small abuses. The acetaminophen can be highly destructive if you aren't careful. It's not a good drug and it won't even do anything particularly worthwhile anyhow. You may as well just be getting drunk if that's the alternative. You won't be hallucinating or experiencing synaesthesia. It's dangerous, highly addictive and offers astonishingly little.
Flush em.
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EDIT: The label may indicate that it is safe to flush. If not, check out this PDF:
http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/pdf/prescrip_disposal.pdf
The addiction potential of opiates cannot be overstated. Opiates are both psychologically and physically addicting. Long-term opiate addicts have an intense physical addiction where any withdraw sends them into a state of more or less indescribable agony. This only happens to heavy, long-term users, however you may experience moderate withdraw symptoms even after careful recreational usage. Moderate opiate withdraw is usually cold sweats, agitation, nausea, sometimes a headache, and feeling generally depressed.
The pills you have are not very good as recreational drugs. The acetaminophen content maybe too high to produce a pleasurable opiate high without exceeding the daily recommendations for acetaminophen intake, and risk potential liver damage.
However, if you have no previous experience with opiates and no tolerance to them, you could likely produce a pleasurable high. The opiate high can be very relaxing, and in some cases, euphoric.
Strictly, the best advice is to not take them. You risk potential liver damage, and though you will probably not end up an opiate addict, there is no need to risk it.
If you do decide to proceed with taking these, you may as well start with two, remember that you can always decide to take more, but you cannot decide to take less. Limit your dosing carefully. The risk of opiate overdose is always lingering, but the primary concern with your pills would be liver damage from too much acetaminophen intake.
Be aware that if you take these repeatedly (a few days in a row) you will begin to develop a tolerance. This is why I say these are not very good recreational drugs. Although you will probably get high a few times, your tolerance will eventually demand you to increase dosage to feel the same effects after experiencing them a few times. This is true of any opiate, but the acetaminophen content in your pills could mean you'll be putting your liver at risk to experience the same effects as last time.
Vicodin is actually hydrocodone, and that is the active opiate you'll be taking.
Erowid is a good source for more information and specifics:
http://www.erowid.org/pharms/hydrocodone/hydrocodone.shtml
Be careful.
Also, please do not mistake this for an endorsement regarding the abuse of dextromethorphan.
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When there is a girl thread everyone jumps to the worst possible conclusion and screams at the OP to break up with her.
When there's a thread about abusing pain meds, everyone is cool.
Ridiculous.
OP, don't be a silly goose, it isn't worth it.
It only seems like 3 people in this thread are 'cool' about this, honestly. Everyone else is either telling him to dispose of them, or how to take them with out dying because he's proooobably going to be taking them anyway. Might as well help keep the guy safe.
I really do advise against taking them though. I can't imagine the harm that could do to your liver, not to mention the addictiveness of it. This is just...really not a great idea.
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Look, if you take them, at least make sure to plan it out to where you have enough to wean yourself back off of them. If you just cold stop on a semi-high dose, it will probably cause physical pain making you want, uh, pain pills. You'll work your way right into an addition, so it least be a little smart about your abuse.
And if you get rid of them, do not flush them. Take them to a pharmacy and get rid of them properly. We have enough problems with water pollution.
Taking one once in a while isn't going to turn you into Dr. House for Christ sake.
Better yet, save them for when you get a nasty headache or hurt your self or are having a crappy day to chill out.
Did you even read the fucking thread?
He's asking specifically for advice regarding abusing them to get high. Not whether it's safe to use one when he gets a headache. Don't post without actualy readin the original question again or it'll be an infraction.
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His safety is still "in question". I toss that in quotes because obviously he can take them, as he has before.
Though it seems most people are worried he'll suddenly become addicted.
If that's the case, put a couple aside and dispose of the rest before you take them.
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Popping three pills will certainly bring one closer to chemical dependency faster than one pill, but does the intention actually matter?
I know this is kind of a tangent, but I'm curious: won't a person generally become chemically addicted to a given pharmaceutical as quickly as if the person is in a condition for which the pharmaceutical is prescribed as if the person is not in said condition? Or does being in pain/whatever mitigate the rate at which chemical dependency may develop?
Is intentionally taking prescription medications, prescribed to you, for recreational purposes illegal? It may be difficult to prove the intent behind taking them but I just want to know if such a prohibition even exists.
My friend got a ton of codine for this shoulder problem he had, honestly by the end of his prescription he was kind of addicted, the thing was it was just impossible for him to get more.
I would advise against taking them. You could give them to friends, sell them, save them for when you feel shitty, but honestly the best thing to do would be to throw them away. I would probably end up trading them for weed, but that's just because of the people I hangout with.
38 pills is a lot.
Jesus. I hope not. Can you imagine how that law could possibly be worded?
I imagine it would be something like: "Your vitals will constantly be monitored. If we see or otherwise detect any pharmaceutical use through the vidplate when your vitals do not dictate necessity, you will be fed to the incinerator to become robot food."
(Although in all seriousness I'm willing to bet there are at least ordinances in many locations that prohibit vehicular use while under the influence of certain prescribed medications. But I doubt there's any law preventing you from using a legitimately-obtained medicine in a way that isn't recommended by the doctor. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure the laws only govern (a) how to get the drug and (b) giving/selling the drug to other people. And probably, as I said, (c) driving while under the side effects of certain medications.)
Yes and no. The usage profile is different. People popping three at a time trying to get high will be more likely to try to string the high out longer by taking more as it wears off. So you're adjusting your body to a perpetually elevated dosage rather than taking smaller dosages at wider intervals.
That's not to say that some people using them for pain relief don't do a similar thing and get just as addicted, it's just that when you're only using them for pain relief when you actually need them as opposed to trying to maintain a perpetual dosage in your system, you're less likely to get addicted.
So intent plays a role in that it strongly influences the type of usage.
But yes I will lock this now at the thread creator's request.
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