Learning the Hard Way (possibly cuz nobody told you)

Pony

Houk wrote: »

DodgeBlan wrote: »

I'm not arguing for blindly accepting authority. I'm just saying that 'because I said so' is a necessary tool in the parents arsenal. Family is not a democracy.

'do the dishes'
'why?'
'because I fed you'
'you only fed me because you had to'

you see, this will go on FOREVER. And you can argue with the kid if you want but kids love that shit. or you can just say 'do the dishes because I said so' and then if they don't enforce whatever punishment you want.

You're confusing the kind of "why" that means "I don't understand"

with the "why" that means "I am a bratty teenager"

Yeah, those are two very different things.

NotASenator

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u2ZsoYWwJA

Rhesus Positive

DodgeBlan wrote: »

I'm not arguing for blindly accepting authority. I'm just saying that 'because I said so' is a necessary tool in the parents arsenal. Family is not a democracy.

'do the dishes'
'why?'
'because I fed you'
'you only fed me because you had to'

you see, this will go on FOREVER. And you can argue with the kid if you want but kids love that shit. or you can just say 'do the dishes because I said so' and then if they don't enforce whatever punishment you want.

"Do the dishes because you're a lazy toad who does precious little in this house and we're the ones who give you pocket money, plus it'll stop us going on at you to do them."

A combination of guilt-tripping, insults and bribery always worked well for me - plus we had a crappy old TV above the sink so I could watch static-filled soap operas at the same time.

DodgeBlan

Houk wrote: »

You're confusing the kind of "why" that means "I don't understand"

with the "why" that means "I am a bratty teenager"

I'm not confusing anything, that is my whole point. Kids of a variety of ages will question your reasoning endlessly about anything they don't want to do.

Another example: 12 year old kid wants to stay up playing videogames until 2am. You tell them they can't because it's important to get a good night's sleep. They say they don't have school tommorow. It is not possible to convince them that going to bed now is the right thing to do.

Again; I'm not saying that you shouldn't explain yourself. You should. but a lot of the time it will just come down to enforcing your will. As in 'this is the reason I think you should do this but the reason you will do it is because i am the parent and I am in charge'

Rhesus Positive

Let them stay up, then wake them up at nine to go for a walk. Bam, first-hand experience of why staying up until 2am is a bad idea.

Pony

DodgeBlan wrote: »

Houk wrote: »

You're confusing the kind of "why" that means "I don't understand"

with the "why" that means "I am a bratty teenager"

I'm not confusing anything, that is my whole point. Kids of a variety of ages will question your reasoning endlessly about anything they don't want to do.

Another example: 12 year old kid wants to stay up playing videogames until 2am. You tell them they can't because it's important to get a good night's sleep. They say they don't have school tommorow. It is not possible to convince them that going to bed now is the right thing to do.

Again; I'm not saying that you shouldn't explain yourself. You should. but a lot of the time it will just come down to enforcing your will. As in 'this is the reason I think you should do this but the reason you will do it is because i am the parent and I am in charge'

And yet, when I tried the sort of stunt you use an example

It was explained to me that if I don't go to bed at a normal hour, even when I don't have anything to do the next day, by the time the weekend ends and I do have something to do I will be all turned around on when I need sleep and it'll make monday suck worse than it needs to.

Now, I didn't always heed that advice, because even if a kid knows why they should do something doesn't mean they'll do it.

But, at least they know, and you aren't pulling "because I said so" bullshit.

Gumpy

My Dad doesn't give a crap in what I do or believe, as long as the logic I use to justify it is sound

Feel pretty lucky to have the parents I do

Docshifty

Its hard to teach a kid when they're asleep while you're awake, your asleep while they're at school, and you're at work while they're awake. Teaching a teenager? Fuck me, sometimes I'm not sure if its even possible.

Blake T

Man, I use because I said so now at work.

Sometimes you just gotta get it done and I can't be bothered explaining shit to people when after I explain my position, nothing will actually change. I just say I've done the numbers we need to do this.

Because I said is fine if it isn't used all the time, and occasionally the parents just need a goddamn break.

NotASenator

Should I choose to allow my wife the honor of being impregnated by me then anything that falls out of her vagina will learn military discipline and an unfaltering respect for authority.

It's in our pre-nup.

Blake T

NaC if it makes you feel any better I would do the same thing too if I impregnated your wife.

DodgeBlan

Well Pony you can let your kids go to bed whenever they want, and Rhesus, you can make them go for a walk in the morning (why do I have to go for a walk?)

but me, I'll just be making my kids go to bed when it's bed time.

Pony

I won't have children.

jaziek

The first lesson I had to learn through pain?

Don't brake hard while riding your bike on loose gravel.

or

Some kids tell their parents fucking everything, the little douchebags.

DodgeBlan

don't facebook stalk your ex

Blake T

Braking hard through gravel is the most fun.

We used to do that constantly as kids.

The Black Hunter

It's fun when you do it for fun, but when you are earnestly trying to stop while going down a hill it sucks

SwissLion

Oooh bike stories.

I had a basically 45 degree incline on my driveway.

Turns out putting a jump at the end of said driveway with its own near-45 degree upwards slope will just end up with a flipping, flying 8-year old

The Black Hunter

My driveway was the same, with a similar, but grassy downward slope on the other side of the road. Skate down the driveway, across the road, olley the gutter and down the hill

Rhesus Positive

DodgeBlan wrote: »

Well Pony you can let your kids go to bed whenever they want, and Rhesus, you can make them go for a walk in the morning (why do I have to go for a walk?)

but me, I'll just be making my kids go to bed when it's bed time.

I'll probably be doing Pony's thing now I've read it. Or I'll organise cool stuff to do at the weekends so my kids'll want to go to bed early.

Like walks!

SwissLion

Man that was an awesome house.

Had that mango tree perfect for climbing and yabbies in the creek just over the road.

Cyvros

I keep forgetting that yabbies are real. What was that one that kind of sounded like "yabbies" that wasn't real?

SwissLion

Yowies?

Man what the fuck happened to Yowies.

They were awesome.

I actually lived in a small town that had a big statue of a Yowie, made of wood, that looked like bigfoot and it was terrifying.

Edit: I always thought it would be amusing to have a statue of the chocolate things.

Peter Ebel

Every two years burn everything you've accomplished and flee the country.

Henroid

Pony wrote: »

I won't have children.

That's because we haven't fucked yet.

Mostlyjoe13

Bike Story - Short: Asphalt can burn. Long: Do not try to mess around with your gears when slowing down for a turn, if the chain feels tight, complete the turn THEN change your gears. Also, hot asphalt in a Florida summer is hot enough to give you a 2nd degree burn on your arm. To this day Concret is the good material, asphalt is Satan's road gum. Trust it not.

Peter Ebel

Flee it!

ack

pony has brain problems lol

Hunter

Unless it would lead to him killing or maiming himself, I usually let my son learn things the hard way. Pain is an excellent teacher, and after a few good shocks, scratches, cuts, bumps, and bruises he starts to figure shit out. Now, he'll back away from things that are dangerous like a good like scared mammal.

Peter Ebel

ack wrote: »

pony has brain problems lol

Darn big government getting in the way of the diagnosed sociopathic little guy.

Grinds my gears, I tells ya.

ack

NotACrook wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u2ZsoYWwJA

this owns

for some reason i only like louis CK when i see him in clips and stuff

like he had a standup special on and i just couldn't sit through it
:zzz:

Cyvros

SwissLion wrote: »

Yowies?

Man what the fuck happened to Yowies.

They were awesome.

I actually lived in a small town that had a big statue of a Yowie, made of wood, that looked like bigfoot and it was terrifying.

Edit: I always thought it would be amusing to have a statue of the chocolate things.

Yes!



I miss those guys.

ouzaru

DodgeBlan wrote: »

don't disobey me or we are going for a little swim.

Are you trolling?


No one can possibly be this dumb.

ack

im actually going to punish my kids w/ hitting them

TiB

Dear 9 year old me

Stop putting your hands near simple machines

Mostly pulleys

Signed

Whats left of your goddamn hand, you dumbass

ack

dear me:

you haven't learned anything

sorry bud

BYToady

Dear me:

Listen to yo mom, yo dumpass needs ta stay in school.

Sicily yours
Dumbass

DodgeBlan

sarukun wrote: »

DodgeBlan wrote: »

don't disobey me or we are going for a little swim.

Are you trolling?


No one can possibly be this dumb.

I have no idea what you are talking about so I guess I am this dumb.

ouzaru

DodgeBlan wrote: »

I'm not arguing for blindly accepting authority. I'm just saying that 'because I said so' is a necessary tool in the parents arsenal. Family is not a democracy.

'do the dishes'
'why?'
'because I fed you'
'you only fed me because you had to'

you see, this will go on FOREVER. And you can argue with the kid if you want but kids love that shit. or you can just say 'do the dishes because I said so' and then if they don't enforce whatever punishment you want.

What kind of asinine thought-experiment have you cooked up for yourself and labeled as "a family with children in it"?

ack

chilrden are our FUCKING FUTURE IDIOTS

AGOD!!