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Valve surprise was disapointing

sergeminatorsergeminator Registered User regular
edited June 2010 in Games and Technology
After weeks of waiting for a really cool surprise from Valve they come out with only portal 2 for ps3. I think this wasn't of any interest for the current Valve fanbase at all.

http://kotaku.com/5564298/valve-steam-portal-2-coming-to-ps3

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  • Metal Gear Solid 2 DemoMetal Gear Solid 2 Demo Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Thought there was a bigger secret coming on the 18th

    vOv

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  • CronusCronus Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    This was a huge disappointment. Valve got their fanbase, mainly pc gamers with surely some 360, about a big announcement. And the announcement was for something those people don't care about.

    This should have been phrased with Valve announcing something to do with the PS3. Then we would have known not to care.

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  • TurkeyTurkey So, Usoop. TampaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Cronus wrote: »
    This should have been phrased with Valve announcing something to do with the PS3. Then we would have known not to care.

    They couldn't really do that without giving it away.

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  • AntihippyAntihippy Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Still getting it for PC.

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  • undeinPiratundeinPirat Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Thought there was a bigger secret coming on the 18th

    vOv

    this was what i thought too

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Surprise was canceled. That PS3 thing wasn't it.
    http://www.vg247.com/2010/06/11/valve-e3-event-completely-cancelled/

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  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I thought we all knew the surprise was going to be Portal 2 on the PS3, it was kinda obvious.

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  • NightslyrNightslyr Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I don't see why anyone would care about Portal 2 being saved on the cloud in any event. I mean, this isn't going to be a $5 - $10 dollar game that people have multiple copies of on their PC, iPods, phones, etc. Single-player co-op would be a more interesting feature.

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  • FremFrem Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Did you READ that announcement?

    You'll be able to buy stuff from Steam on your PS3. You'll be able to buy a game and play it on all the platforms Steam supports, like with Windows and OS X right now. With Steam Cloud, they could do the whole thing seamlessly.

    That's kinda a big deal. Nobody else does that.

    Edit: Never mind. I can't read apparently. By cross platform play, they apparently mean, playing with people on different platforms. *sigh*

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  • NightslyrNightslyr Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Yeah, I was going to say Steamworks != Steam itself.

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  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Frem wrote: »
    Did you READ that announcement?

    You'll be able to buy stuff from Steam on your PS3. You'll be able to buy a game and play it on all the platforms Steam supports, like with Windows and OS X right now. With Steam Cloud, they could do the whole thing seamlessly.

    That's kinda a big deal. Nobody else does that.

    It's not like anyone's going to recompile and tweak their games distributed via Steam to work on PS3's retarded processor

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  • CorehealerCorehealer The Apothecary The softer edge of the universe.Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Frem wrote: »
    Did you READ that announcement?

    You'll be able to buy stuff from Steam on your PS3. You'll be able to buy a game and play it on all the platforms Steam supports, like with Windows and OS X right now. With Steam Cloud, they could do the whole thing seamlessly.

    That's kinda a big deal. Nobody else does that.

    Edit: Never mind. I can't read apparently. By cross platform play, they apparently mean, playing with people on different platforms. *sigh*

    This.

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  • FremFrem Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Frem wrote: »
    Edit: Never mind. I can't read apparently. By cross platform play, they apparently mean, playing with people on different platforms. *sigh*

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  • CronusCronus Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Turkey wrote: »
    Cronus wrote: »
    This should have been phrased with Valve announcing something to do with the PS3. Then we would have known not to care.

    They couldn't really do that without giving it away.

    Well you would know that it had something to do with the PS3. Probably Portal 2. The Steam thing though would be a surprise.

    Are there any details on exactly how that will work yet?

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  • BigDesBigDes Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    CORRECTION: Portal 2 will be "Steamworks enabled," which includes community support features, such as chat. It will not accommodate cross-platform play.

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  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Cronus wrote: »
    Turkey wrote: »
    Cronus wrote: »
    This should have been phrased with Valve announcing something to do with the PS3. Then we would have known not to care.

    They couldn't really do that without giving it away.

    Well you would know that it had something to do with the PS3. Probably Portal 2. The Steam thing though would be a surprise.

    Are there any details on exactly how that will work yet?

    My brother would have gotten a kick out of Left For Dead 2 on Ps3. He's in Georgia right now and only has a Ps3, but he loves that game. He asked me why it wasn't for Ps3, I think it was because Valve hates Ps3 after an attempt at Orange Box. Is that what happened?

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  • sergeminatorsergeminator Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    BigDes wrote: »
    CORRECTION: Portal 2 will be "Steamworks enabled," which includes community support features, such as chat. It will not accommodate cross-platform play.

    I thought we were finally close to finding out how bad PC users can pwn Console users in shooters, hehe.

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    to the guy who said something about co-op, good news! portal 2 has it's own co-op story featuring two robots, one of which is an advance version of the turrets from the first game

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  • ZellZell Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    After weeks of waiting for a really cool surprise from Valve they come out with only portal 2 for ps3. I think this wasn't of any interest for the current Valve fanbase at all.
    How is seeing Portal 2 not of any interest to the current Valve fanbase?

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  • Dac VinDac Vin S-s-screw you! I only listen to DOUBLE MUSIC! Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    BigDes wrote: »
    CORRECTION: Portal 2 will be "Steamworks enabled," which includes community support features, such as chat. It will not accommodate cross-platform play.

    Yeah, trusting friggin Kotaku on news only brings despair and pain. It baffles me how they were able to get it right on their livefeed and then completely wrong in their article.

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  • AntihippyAntihippy Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Hey, at least this was the first time we get to see portal 2. Or I did anyway.

    And it looks fucking awesome.

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  • CronusCronus Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    BigDes wrote: »
    CORRECTION: Portal 2 will be "Steamworks enabled," which includes community support features, such as chat. It will not accommodate cross-platform play.

    I thought we were finally close to finding out how bad PC users can pwn Console users in shooters, hehe.

    Don't forget auto-aim. When I saw Shadowrun at E3 showing cross platform play off I could hit a guy when aiming 10 ft away if I was playing on the Xbox.

    It would be cool nonetheless though. We'll have to make do with owning Mac people for now.

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  • GrimReaperGrimReaper Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    BigDes wrote: »
    CORRECTION: Portal 2 will be "Steamworks enabled," which includes community support features, such as chat. It will not accommodate cross-platform play.

    I thought we were finally close to finding out how bad PC users can pwn Console users in shooters, hehe.

    That already happened with Quake 3 on the Dreamcast.

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  • sergeminatorsergeminator Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Zell wrote: »
    After weeks of waiting for a really cool surprise from Valve they come out with only portal 2 for ps3. I think this wasn't of any interest for the current Valve fanbase at all.
    How is seeing Portal 2 not of any interest to the current Valve fanbase?

    I think the problem was that they made such a big fuzz about cancelling the portal 2 event but still having a big surprise that basically anything that was not the new engine or something new from half life wouldn't have been enough for me.


    http://kotaku.com/5552813/surprise-no-portal-2-party-at-e3

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  • GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Cantido wrote: »
    Cronus wrote: »
    Turkey wrote: »
    Cronus wrote: »
    This should have been phrased with Valve announcing something to do with the PS3. Then we would have known not to care.

    They couldn't really do that without giving it away.

    Well you would know that it had something to do with the PS3. Probably Portal 2. The Steam thing though would be a surprise.

    Are there any details on exactly how that will work yet?

    My brother would have gotten a kick out of Left For Dead 2 on Ps3. He's in Georgia right now and only has a Ps3, but he loves that game. He asked me why it wasn't for Ps3, I think it was because Valve hates Ps3 after an attempt at Orange Box. Is that what happened?

    Basically, yes. The brass at Valve hate the PS3's architecture, they've gone on record several times as saying it's over complex for no good reason, and very hard to program and optimize for, making it not worth their time.

    In the end, they bought up the company that did the Orange Box for PS3 to do all their PS3 work for them, so they didn't have to think about it.

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Newell said the new features will make Portal 2 "the best version on any console."

    Hahahahahahahah.

    It's like "I can't even spin this. Why bother?"

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  • ParisInFlamesParisInFlames Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    It may be spin, but it's no secret that Valve hates the Microsoft certification process and being forced to charge their consumers again for a product they already bought.

    If valve has somehow snuck steamworks onto PS3 I'd imagine the patching and updating process would be streamlined to their liking.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Patching on the PS3 is such a pain in the ass though. On the 360 it's maybe 4 seconds of downloading/installing. On the PS3 it can take hours. I mean Heavy Rain had a 270MB patch when I got it. That is absurd. Games on the PC have never really had that high of a patch.

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  • LordOfMeepLordOfMeep Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    urahonky wrote: »
    Games on the PC have never really had that high of a patch.

    Really? Most of the big updates to Valve games are pretty hefty, and mandatory.

    Hell, I think The Passing for L4D2 was bigger than that.

    EDIT: Though you probably mean just a simple patch. Nevermind

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  • subediisubedii Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Isn't that the point though? If they can update via Steamworks, then that gives them a LOT of leeway in how they update games from thereon out.

    Personally that was the biggest surprise for me, that Sony actually allowed Valve to put Steamworks features on there. Time will tell what the extent of those features is.

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  • TetraNitroCubaneTetraNitroCubane Not Angry... Just VERY Disappointed...Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    urahonky wrote: »
    Patching on the PS3 is such a pain in the ass though. On the 360 it's maybe 4 seconds of downloading/installing. On the PS3 it can take hours. I mean Heavy Rain had a 270MB patch when I got it. That is absurd. Games on the PC have never really had that high of a patch.

    To be fair, there was recently a 500 MB patch released on Steam for a few Source Engine games.

    Edit: I guess that patch is a little suspicious, in light of the conversation, though. The official patch notes might've been a smoke screen, but the only changes listed were:
    Fixed crash when local sound cache files were corrupt
    Hide cursor when playing movies in game

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    LordOfMeep wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    Games on the PC have never really had that high of a patch.

    Really? Most of the big updates to Valve games are pretty hefty, and mandatory.

    Hell, I think The Passing for L4D2 was bigger than that.

    EDIT: Though you probably mean just a simple patch. Nevermind

    Yeah... Your edit was correct. A simple patch should never be more than a few MB... But every single PS3 game I've played has had 100+MB patches when I put them in.

    Addons can take however much space they want. I like addons. :)

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    urahonky wrote: »
    Patching on the PS3 is such a pain in the ass though. On the 360 it's maybe 4 seconds of downloading/installing. On the PS3 it can take hours. I mean Heavy Rain had a 270MB patch when I got it. That is absurd. Games on the PC have never really had that high of a patch.

    To be fair, there was recently a 500 MB patch released on Steam for a few Source Engine games.

    Ah... Haven't logged into Steam in months.

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  • GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    urahonky wrote: »
    Patching on the PS3 is such a pain in the ass though. On the 360 it's maybe 4 seconds of downloading/installing. On the PS3 it can take hours. I mean Heavy Rain had a 270MB patch when I got it. That is absurd. Games on the PC have never really had that high of a patch.

    This is because the PS3 does non-incremental patches, for both the OS and games. The 360 does incremental patches that only update the bytes required to do the update.

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  • agoajagoaj Top Tier One FearRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I was pleasantly surprised, and I don't even own a PS3.

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  • TigTig Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    They cancelled the surprise. The surprise was cancelled.
    They cancelled the entire Portal 2 presentational slot in an attempt to stop the hype armageddon, and Gabe even stated flatly that it was NOT EPISODE 3 - later elaborating that into "[it's] PORTAL 2-RELATED FOR GOD'S SAKE".


    so uh.. why are we disappointed again?

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    GnomeTank wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    Patching on the PS3 is such a pain in the ass though. On the 360 it's maybe 4 seconds of downloading/installing. On the PS3 it can take hours. I mean Heavy Rain had a 270MB patch when I got it. That is absurd. Games on the PC have never really had that high of a patch.

    This is because the PS3 does non-incremental patches, for both the OS and games. The 360 does incremental patches that only update the bytes required to do the update.

    So why don't they switch to incremental?

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  • Handsome CostanzaHandsome Costanza Ask me about 8bitdo RIP Iwata-sanRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Tig wrote: »
    They cancelled the surprise. The surprise was cancelled. They cancelled the entire Portal 2 presentational slot in an attempt to stop the hype armageddon, and Gabe even stated flatly that it was NOT EPISODE 3, later elaborating that into "PORTAL 2-RELATED FOR GOD'S SAKE".


    so, why are we disappointed again?

    Because a lot of people don't really give a shit about portal, especially in relation to episode3/HL3. Aside from it being a cool mini-game to play from time to time.

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  • TigTig Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Tig wrote: »
    They cancelled the surprise. The surprise was cancelled. They cancelled the entire Portal 2 presentational slot in an attempt to stop the hype armageddon, and Gabe even stated flatly that it was NOT EPISODE 3, later elaborating that into "PORTAL 2-RELATED FOR GOD'S SAKE".


    so, why are we disappointed again?

    Because a lot of people don't really give a shit about portal, especially in relation to episode3/HL3. Aside from it being a cool mini-game to play from time to time.


    But they made it clear in advance that it was a Portal 2-related surprise.

    If you hate Portal 2, move along.




    Also, can I just say that as a PS3 owner and Valve fanboy, it was a massive fucking surprise to hear GlaDoS interrupt Sony's boring press conference. That shit was surprising.

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  • GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    urahonky wrote: »
    GnomeTank wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    Patching on the PS3 is such a pain in the ass though. On the 360 it's maybe 4 seconds of downloading/installing. On the PS3 it can take hours. I mean Heavy Rain had a 270MB patch when I got it. That is absurd. Games on the PC have never really had that high of a patch.

    This is because the PS3 does non-incremental patches, for both the OS and games. The 360 does incremental patches that only update the bytes required to do the update.

    So why don't they switch to incremental?

    Because it's Sony? I have no idea. There are a lot of things about the PS3 that make you scratch your head if you sit and think about them. I saw Sony say once that the non-incremental firmware patches were a security anti-hacker thing...no idea why they force games to use the same hamfisted patching system.

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