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New TV + Xbox 360 + Old Stereo Set-up

November FifthNovember Fifth Registered User regular
edited June 2010 in Help / Advice Forum
I am in the process of purchasing a new TV to play XBox 360 games, stream Netflix and Espn, and watch whatever over the air broadcasts I can get with an antenna. I would like to output the sound through an older stereo receiver which only has analog A/V inputs and does not support surround sound, but it appears that new model TV's will only output via digital audio.

Am I going to have to buy a product like this http://www.gefen.com/gefentv/gtvproduct.jsp?prod_id=5980

or could I get buy with this less expensive version http://www.gefen.com/kvm/dproduct.jsp?prod_id=5279.

Or is there another solution I can find which doesn't require buying a new receiver?

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  • ScrubletScrublet Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Are you sure about that new model TVs? Most decent TVs have both an RCA out (analog red/white) and an optical out (digital). You should be plugging everything into the TV, and then running a cable from the TV to the receiver. (Normally you'd go all into receiver and then to TV, but as you said yours is older).

    An example: you're looking for the line that says Analog Audio Output.

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  • eternalbleternalbl Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    So you'll be hooking up only the 360 which will take care of all but the over the air broadcasts?

    If your receiver has a coax input and output for the antenna, you could hook the 360 up with hdmi for video directly to the tv, and then use l/r audio to the receiver for audio. A bit of a roundabout way to do it, but it would work.

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  • LaOsLaOs SaskatoonRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I'm going with HDMI to the TV and then L/R cables from the TV to my DVD/Receiver (it's a cheaper HomeTheatreInABox that I don't remember the brand of since I'm housesitting right now) and a yellow Video Cable from the DVD/Receiver to the TV. Then it's just 5 little speakers and a Sub from the DVD/Receiver to various places in my room.

    That's pretty simple and should work, right?

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  • vonPoonBurGervonPoonBurGer Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    LaOs wrote: »
    I'm going with HDMI to the TV and then L/R cables from the TV to my DVD/Receiver
    He'd do that, but like he said he's having trouble finding a new TV that still does analog L/R audio output. It looks like manufacturers are dropping that feature from their TVs, probably because many buyers don't use the it and it saves them a little bit per unit to cut it.

    OP, if you can do optical or digital coax out from whatever TV you select, you might want to try this. Not much in the way of info or reviews there, but Monoprice has a good return policy and it's less than $30. At that price I highly doubt it supports anything but stereo, but that shouldn't be an issue for your setup.
    eternalbl wrote:
    If your receiver has a coax input and output for the antenna, you could hook the 360 up with hdmi for video directly to the tv, and then use l/r audio to the receiver for audio. A bit of a roundabout way to do it, but it would work.
    Maybe it's just my old-skool component video Xbox, but I don't think this is possible. If I select HD video outputs, the Xbox won't let me select analog audio output. Your choices are digital stereo or digital surround, i.e. HDMI or optical audio output, no analog output. I learned this the hard way when I was trying to feed HD component video and L/R audio into a projector with component video and stereo audio inputs. I came across that item on Monoprice while searching for solutions to this problem.

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  • ScrubletScrublet Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    LaOs wrote: »
    I'm going with HDMI to the TV and then L/R cables from the TV to my DVD/Receiver
    He'd do that, but like he said he's having trouble finding a new TV that still does analog L/R audio output. It looks like manufacturers are dropping that feature from their TVs, probably because many buyers don't use the it and it saves them a little bit per unit to cut it.

    I pay quite a bit of attention to this stuff [strike]and I certainly haven't noticed this trend. With the exception of the really really thin TVs, that can barely fit their HDMI ports (or in some cases can't even do that). Regardless, there are definitely still plenty of TVs that do analog out, buying some sort of adapter or something to accomplish this is a waste of time money and space.[/strike] and I'm apparently still a moron.

    Considering that there are $250 receivers out there that would blow the OPs receiver out of the water and make this a moot point, I can't really see spending $80 on some converter. That $27 thing above might work but still I'm sure you can find a TV that does this.

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  • vonPoonBurGervonPoonBurGer Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Scrublet wrote: »
    LaOs wrote: »
    I'm going with HDMI to the TV and then L/R cables from the TV to my DVD/Receiver
    He'd do that, but like he said he's having trouble finding a new TV that still does analog L/R audio output. It looks like manufacturers are dropping that feature from their TVs, probably because many buyers don't use the it and it saves them a little bit per unit to cut it.

    I pay quite a bit of attention to this stuff and I certainly haven't noticed this trend. With the exception of the really really thin TVs, that can barely fit their HDMI ports (or in some cases can't even do that). Regardless, there are definitely still plenty of TVs that do analog out, buying some sort of adapter or something to accomplish this is a waste of time money and space.

    Considering that there are $250 receivers out there that would blow the OPs receiver out of the water and make this a moot point, I can't really see spending $80 on some converter. That $27 thing above might work but still I'm sure you can find a TV that does this.
    I'm just basing it on the OP's shopping experience, and a quick look at spec pages for a handful of Series 8 Samsung LCDs and G25 & S2 Panasonic plasmas. None of the ones I looked at list analog audio out anymore, just digital audio out.

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  • ScrubletScrublet Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Alright so I'm gonna backpedal a sec here, I didn't notice earlier I linked one of last year's models. This year's Panasonic and Samsung definitely looked like they ditched them.

    Most of the Vizios I'm scanning have Analog out it looks like. If you're too cheap to buy a $250 receiver to get some digital inputs this is the budget you should be looking at anyhow.

    And I must have been smoking crack when I thought I hadn't seen this trend because Vizio looks like the only ones.

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  • eternalbleternalbl Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    mcdermott wrote: »
    eternalbl wrote: »

    This can also be achieved with a dongle, which you can get from amazon for about $10 (shipped). You know, if you have $10 and don't want ghetto disassembled cables coming out of your gear.

    Which, if you're buying a TV so new that it doesn't even have analog audio out, you've probably got $10.

    And this still won't solve his problem of not being able to get audio from the television to the receiver, seeing as it doesn't have analog out. Which, really, the best way to solve that is to get a new receiver. Even considering price. At which point he wouldn't need to ghetto-rig his Xbox cable to get analog audio out anyway...just do HDMI->TV->Stereo.

    Although his TV will (due to HDCP) almost certainly strip the surround sound off the HDMI, and output stereo PCM, so he may need to get that dongle (or use this video) anyway to get the optical out (to get 5.1 to his new receiver).

    The HDMI and audio cables aren't tied together. The audio goes to the receiver, the HDMI to the TV. Yes, it takes 2 remotes to set the TV to HDMI and the receiver to whatever input, but it's a better solution than an 80 buck gizmo.

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  • November FifthNovember Fifth Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Thanks for all the replies.

    It looks like the TV I have decided on does have a 3.5mm out it so I can use that.

    I don't really want to pick up a new receiver, because quite frankly, I am really happy with my current audio set-up. It's old, not cheap, and it sounds great with my high end turntable. It also gives blowjob's.

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  • eternalbleternalbl Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    God damnit, your right. My solution neglects the antenna. GOD DAMNIT.

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