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Dogs digging holes under fence

joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class TraitorSmoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
edited June 2010 in Help / Advice Forum
My neighbor behind the far fence in my backyard has two giant, mean dogs. They're very territorial and have almost grabbed my helpless, peaceful pug on several occasions because these fuckers dig holes under the fence like there's no tomorrow. They are able to fit their snout completely through these holes every time they are through. Since the dirt ends up on the other side of the fence, I have to patch the holes with logs or something and then find my own dirt to fill them in.

I've talked to the neighbor, who is an elderly lady, and asked her to get them to cut it the fuck out (not in those exact words). She basically said she's old and can't keep up with her dogs when she lets them outside, and in so many words said she's not doing jack shit.

I've been grabbing my hefty grill spatula when I see the holes start to appear and smacking the dogs noses with it as soon as they come into my sight, and have been considering an airsoft gun or possibly pepper spray. I wouldn't be able to do any of these things to the dogs if they weren't on my property, but I don't know if anything more than a solid smack on the nose will get me into trouble. In any case, violence hasn't solved the problem.

What in the fuck can I do, H/A?

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  • FantasmaFantasma Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Just file a complaint with the police, ask them to see the problem, they should talk to the old lady.

    You could also ask advice to a lawyer :-#

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  • jedikuonjijedikuonji Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    You might call the police (non-emergency number) and ask them if you have any options through them.

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  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Already tried that, sorry. Forgot to mention it.

    They came out and looked, and said they could do basically the same thing I did -- ask her to stop. Unless the dogs hurt someone or my dog, they said there's really nothing they can do.

    They went and talked to her, she told them to fuck off, and that was the end.

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  • Sir CarcassSir Carcass I have been shown the end of my world Round Rock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Feed them some of your bacon so they choke and die on its horribleness.

    If you really want a long term, serious business solution, you could maybe run a line of concrete along the fence line, just underground. I remember my mom had this problem when I was little, but filling the holes with giant rocks seemed to do the trick.

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  • jedikuonjijedikuonji Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Any home association in your area that might govern this type of stuff? Might also check with the city about animal ordinances that may be applicable.

    If you live in an area with animal control that might also be an option.

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  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    No home association, thank God

    Carcass if I fed them your bacon they'd be much more likely to choke since it would get all mushy and tangled in their throat

    I do like your concrete idea, though, but I'll need to run it by the people who actually own the house we are renting

    The cops didn't know whether pepper spray would be illegal or not (figures -- keepers of the lawwwww) but maybe animal control would?

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  • FantasmaFantasma Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Rocks !

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  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Thrown or placed

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  • BeltaineBeltaine BOO BOO DOO DE DOORegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Run an electric fence wire on the bottom of your fence.

    It's cheap. Can probably do it for under $100.

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  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Beltaine wrote: »
    Run an electric fence wire on the bottom of your fence.

    It's cheap. Can probably do it for under $100.

    I like this idea, but we do have kids who play back there and telling them not to touch it is like chaining Betty Ford to a case of painkillers and alcohol and telling her not to indulge.

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  • Sir CarcassSir Carcass I have been shown the end of my world Round Rock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Beltaine wrote: »
    Run an electric fence wire on the bottom of your fence.

    It's cheap. Can probably do it for under $100.

    That's an option, too, but I don't know the legal ramifications of it. It would probably have to be decidedly on your property, which wouldn't really stop the holes. My mom did this to keep dogs from peeing on her flowerbeds, and it worked wonders.

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  • FunkyWaltDoggFunkyWaltDogg Columbia, SCRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Buy some cinderblocks and use those to fill the holes, or go all-out and dig a trench then line it with blocks. It can be unsightly, but it's cheap and effective, plus it's reversible if necessary.

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  • jedikuonjijedikuonji Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Have you informed your landlord of the issue?

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  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    jedikuonji wrote: »
    Have you informed your landlord of the issue?

    I'd like to avoid this if at all possible because she's a super busy lady and gives us an awesome deal on the place, so if I can stop problems before they reach her it'd be preferable

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  • cmsamocmsamo Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    My dad had the reverse problem of this - his dogs kept digging OUT.

    He ended up buying some cheap chicken wire and digging a shallow trench under the fence, and laying some wooden boards down. He then put the chicken wire in as an "underground" barrier, and re-buried it all.

    The dogs stopped digging once they figured out there was a wire / wood barrier they couldn't get through.

    Maybe you could ask your neighbour to provide some funds and or materials for you to take care of the problem on her behalf?

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  • mehmehmehmehmehmeh Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I have heard of vinegar, Black peeper or ground cayenne poured along the fence line will deter digging

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  • GungHoGungHo Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    cmsamo wrote: »
    He ended up buying some cheap chicken wire and digging a shallow trench under the fence, and laying some wooden boards down. He then put the chicken wire in as an "underground" barrier, and re-buried it all.
    This works.

    You can also sink rebar/aluminum spikes into the ground at close intervals (smaller than the dogs' shoulders should do). It won't rust out, won't require you to dig, and won't retain water. It's more expensive than chicken wire.

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  • mtsmts Dr. Robot King Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    the easiest way is chicken wire. get teh widest stuff you can find (2-3 ft or so at any home improvement store) and bend it so that it forms an "L" . put it so it fits up against the fence and the ground. secure the fence side of the wire to the fence with some heavy staples and then find a way to secure the other side to the ground, tent stakes, blocks or rocks will work. that should work assuming its well secured

    as an extra, drop your dogs poop in the holes and try to fill them up as best you can. that also deters digging

    ideally you need to dig a foot or so below the current fence line and line it with wire attached to the fence, or cinder blocks and fill the hole back in to truly stop it but that might be beyond the responsibility of a renter

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  • BeltaineBeltaine BOO BOO DOO DE DOORegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Is this your fence or her fence?

    As far as kids go, it shouldn't be a problem. They usually learn quicker than an animal to stay away :P

    If it's YOUR fence, then the fence is on your property because most laws require fencing to be back a certain distance from property lines.

    Run the wire directly under the bottom of the fence and keep the grass sprayed (grass and weeds muck with electric fences) and it should take care of the problem.

    With the wire installed like that, your kids will most likely never encounter it.

    If it's not your fence, then I'd look at some of the other advice given.

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  • FatsFats Corvallis, ORRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Beltaine wrote: »
    Run an electric fence wire on the bottom of your fence.

    It's cheap. Can probably do it for under $100.

    I like this idea, but we do have kids who play back there and telling them not to touch it is like chaining Betty Ford to a case of painkillers and alcohol and telling her not to indulge.

    I guarantee they'll only touch it once, though I suppose they could still tumble into it.

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  • BeltaineBeltaine BOO BOO DOO DE DOORegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Fats wrote: »
    Beltaine wrote: »
    Run an electric fence wire on the bottom of your fence.

    It's cheap. Can probably do it for under $100.

    I like this idea, but we do have kids who play back there and telling them not to touch it is like chaining Betty Ford to a case of painkillers and alcohol and telling her not to indulge.

    I guarantee they'll only touch it once, though I suppose they could still tumble into it.

    Even if they do, they'll survive. I got suckered into peeing on an electric fence when I was a kid. I'm still still still *twitch* here.

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  • Dr. FrenchensteinDr. Frenchenstein Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I'd still ask your landlord before you do anything, maybe she wants to know this is going on? she's going to have a lot more clout than you will if any complaints are getting filed. Also, any lawyer involvement is going to be on her part if it's due to property destruction.

    Did the police file a report of the complaint? get a copy of that. just in case something else happens.

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  • mtsmts Dr. Robot King Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    yea. definitely tell your landlord that their dogs are breaking the landlords fence

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  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Another vote for telling the landlord.

    I'd suggest when you tell the landlord, you also mention ideas to solve the problem that you can do. Ask the landlord for permission to bury a chicken wire barrier, or a line of cinder blocks, or concrete or whatever your budget allows you to do to keep these guys out.

    If you go ahead with a plan without the landlords permission, you may face penalties when you move out.

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  • Dr. FrenchensteinDr. Frenchenstein Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    she will probably appreciate that you are willing to take care of it at the very least.

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  • mtsmts Dr. Robot King Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    plus telling your landlord now removes you from fault shoudl more damage happen to the yard or fence from the dogs. document everything

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  • NailbunnyPDNailbunnyPD Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Also, coordinate with the dog owner before starting any work. You don't want her releasing the dogs into the yard while you are working.

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  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    All right, thanks guys, I'll get in touch with my landlord and see what would work best for her

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  • Dropping LoadsDropping Loads Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    While you're waiting on your landlord, cayenne pepper along the fence is a good temporary solution. I'd advise against using anything dog or human scented, as it's probably territorial behavior that's causing the problem in the first place.

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  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I second the cayenne pepper, dig and bury some, and then if the dogs dig through throw a big handful on them. This will work nicely while you get the chickenwire in place.

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  • PelPel Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    If you have the ability to install a permanent barrier a' la chicken wire, then that certainly works. If not, then I'm pretty sure pepper spray is well within your rights and will probably work pretty well. Barring that, a portable air horn to the face when they stick their noses through will send the message with adequate emphasis. Read your Pavlov, though. Dogs probably won't get discouraged the first time you punish them; it takes a consistent pattern of negative reinforcement to cement a behavior. Remember either way, the most important aspect of the training (because this is what you're doing, training your neighbors dogs) is the element of surprise. Dogs are perfectly capable of making the distinction between "If I dig under the fence I get blasted", and "If I dig under the fence when the neighbor is outside, I get blasted", so it's better they don't know you're there before you strike, and if they don't realize it was you who punished them, all the better- unless you admonish them from a position of authority, as per below, it's just as well they think that your yard is a magic place of stinging peppers and loud, unexpected noises.

    If you have the time and inclination to get to know them a bit better, you might be able to control their behavior more effectively as well: right now they probably run wild because they have no one to tell them to stop. Once they have a bit of respect for you, any punishment you deliver will carry much more weight in their little doggie brains.

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  • afrowomanafrowoman Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I have to agree... Place big heavy rocks in the holes where your neighbor's dogs been digging... Since you already tried talking to the owner.... there is always "animal control."

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