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It's time to leave Windows XP behind.

Farout FoolioFarout Foolio Registered User regular
edited June 2010 in Help / Advice Forum
Fill me with glorious options, H/A!
I've heard that windows 7 is pretty nifty, and I've since I haven't done a nuke'n pave in...well forever, I figure I can format 2 birds with one stone here.
But, I'm not terribly well informed on the subject, so:

1) Are there concrete benefits to 7 over vista?

2) When I reformat, how do I keep all my totally awesome stuff?

3) Is there someway to get a good deal on an upgrade? I had heard something about sometimes students getting neat deals or somesuch.

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  • Peter PrinciplePeter Principle Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Students get wiudnows 7 home premium for 30 bucks (last I checked, may be more now). Just gotta email the right email addy from your school email account.

    http://www.microsoft.com/student/en/us/software/windows-7.aspx

    I went from xp to 7 and so far I like the change, but there are some minor differences that may take some getting used to. I haqvenh't done abny formal testiung, but it does seem like things do operate faster. It sure is a snap to install, beats the pants of xp.

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  • Iceman.USAFIceman.USAF Major East CoastRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Students get wiudnows 7 home premium for 30 bucks (last I checked, may be more now). Just gotta email the right email addy from your school email account.

    http://www.microsoft.com/student/en/us/software/windows-7.aspx

    I went from xp to 7 and so far I like the change, but there are some minor differences that may take some getting used to. I haqvenh't done abny formal testiung, but it does seem like things do operate faster. It sure is a snap to install, beats the pants of xp.

    Pardon the typos, got gloves on.

    My work machine = Vista. An exercise in torture daily.

    My home machine = 7. An exercise is awesomeness. It's great! So stable, and fast, and sexy.

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  • FantasmaFantasma Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Hi,

    Windows 7 is a lot of eye candy and nice icons, several applications need to be upgraded to work, after playing around with it I still consider Windows XP faster for the many things I do.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    1: 7 is a much more stable version of Vista. It's just a one-upped version. That being said, it's enough of a difference in performance and stability that it's worth the jump, especially if you have a pretty good set of parts under the hood. 4 gigs of RAM recommended, dual core proc also. I've got an i5 dual core, dual-threaded processor with 4 gigs of DDR3 RAM and load times are minimal on everything. Also, 7's future capabilities with multi-core processors eclipses the shit out of XP, so you're doing yourself a favor and future-proofing a bit with the purchase of Windows 7.

    2. Depending on what totally awesome stuff you have. If you have totally awesome data files (pics, music), your best bet is to burn them on DVD, CD, copy them to a large thumb drive, or invest in an external HDD. If you have totally awesome applications and programs, you're probably going to have to reinstall once you've made the switch.

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  • DragonPupDragonPup Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    2) When I reformat, how do I keep all my totally awesome stuff?

    Do you have a backup hard drive? If so, download and run Microsoft's Easy Transfer program before you start installing Win7 and it automates the process nicely. You'll need to reinstall the programs themselves, but that's why we have the internet. :)

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  • Gilbert0Gilbert0 North of SeattleRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    This is what I'm debating as well. Running 32bit XP with 4 gig ram and Dual Core E8400 at home but I'm testing at work windows 7 and the gf's new laptop has it. Doesn't seem to bad.

    Is 7 Pro Upgrade for $40 a good deal? What's the difference between an Upgrade and the actual thing?

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  • BlindZenDriverBlindZenDriver Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Unless you have dx11 hardware then why spend money on 7. Personally I'm doing the waiting game not upgrading till there really is a reason.

    If you're gonna upgrade just to get a new experience then go Linux or Hackintosh (buy a OS X license and run it on your PC).

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Gilbert0 wrote: »
    This is what I'm debating as well. Running 32bit XP with 4 gig ram and Dual Core E8400 at home but I'm testing at work windows 7 and the gf's new laptop has it. Doesn't seem to bad.

    Is 7 Pro Upgrade for $40 a good deal? What's the difference between an Upgrade and the actual thing?

    Not much. It's basically just a licensing thing. You get it cheaper because you're upgrading a previously purchased MS OS to the new one. The only actual difference is the installer. Upgrade media is meant to be installed over the top of the existing OS. So doing a clean install takes some finagling (doing a double install then putting in the product key. A few other ways to do it. Paul Thurott's site goes into it). Since there isn't a (technically, legally is fine) supported upgrade path from XP to 7, you have to do a clean install, even from upgrade media.

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Unless you have dx11 hardware then why spend money on 7. Personally I'm doing the waiting game not upgrading till there really is a reason.

    If you're gonna upgrade just to get a new experience then go Linux or Hackintosh (buy a OS X license and run it on your PC).

    Because 7 has a substantial number of improvements over XP, many of which are in the realm of security.

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  • fightinfilipinofightinfilipino Angry as Hell #BLMRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Unless you have dx11 hardware then why spend money on 7. Personally I'm doing the waiting game not upgrading till there really is a reason.

    If you're gonna upgrade just to get a new experience then go Linux or Hackintosh (buy a OS X license and run it on your PC).

    Because 7 has a substantial number of improvements over XP, many of which are in the realm of security.

    there are a ton of simple UI improvements that work with DX10, too. where I work, I handle a bunch of WinXP, Vista, and 7 machines. 7 is BY FAR the best of the lot. I've found it to be the most stable, which is saying A LOT for a Microsoft OS. but it's even more stable than an equivalent OS X machine.

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  • BlindZenDriverBlindZenDriver Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Because 7 has a substantial number of improvements over XP, many of which are in the realm of security.

    Of which the relevance depends on the environment you run your computer. A XP machine with a free firewall on top, free anti-virus and a user being smart about where he goes on the web and how e-mail, facebook and so on is handled is very secure. Win7 is not really bringing anything in such a case.

    For a none tech person that surfers the under belly of the internet, uses all Microsoft software and has friends which act the same it is another story. But in such a case no OS is really safe enough :P

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Why would you want 7 over XP? Especially if your comp can handle it? Well, there's the security, the snappiness and stability, the future abilities of the OS... but it really boils down to two words:

    SEARCH BAR.

    I cannot even use Windows again without this infinitely helpful tool. It has reduced the amount of time I pour through folders by 99%.

    Really, 7 is a great product. If you have the horsepower to run it, there is absolutely no reason not to get it, unless you're someone who just can't let go.

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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Why would you want 7 over XP? Especially if your comp can handle it? Well, there's the security, the snappiness and stability, the future abilities of the OS... but it really boils down to two words:

    SEARCH BAR.

    I cannot even use Windows again without this infinitely helpful tool. It has reduced the amount of time I pour through folders by 99%.

    Really, 7 is a great product. If you have the horsepower to run it, there is absolutely no reason not to get it, unless you're someone who just can't let go.

    Windows 7 doesn't even require much of a system to run. Certainly less than Vista.

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Because 7 has a substantial number of improvements over XP, many of which are in the realm of security.

    Of which the relevance depends on the environment you run your computer. A XP machine with a free firewall on top, free anti-virus and a user being smart about where he goes on the web and how e-mail, facebook and so on is handled is very secure. Win7 is not really bringing anything in such a case.

    For a none tech person that surfers the under belly of the internet, uses all Microsoft software and has friends which act the same it is another story. But in such a case no OS is really safe enough :P

    With the kinds of exploits out there that don't require user interaction or stupid surfing (like legitimate sites hosed by SQL injection attacks which then hit you with a drive-by exploit) running a version of Windows newer than XP is becoming a better and better idea every day.

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  • tinwhiskerstinwhiskers Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    As a long time XP hold out, 7 is just better. It basically what Vista should have been.

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  • Peter PrinciplePeter Principle Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Why would you want 7 over XP? Especially if your comp can handle it? Well, there's the security, the snappiness and stability, the future abilities of the OS... but it really boils down to two words:

    SEARCH BAR.

    I cannot even use Windows again without this infinitely helpful tool. It has reduced the amount of time I pour through folders by 99%.

    Really, 7 is a great product. If you have the horsepower to run it, there is absolutely no reason not to get it, unless you're someone who just can't let go.

    What's this search bar you speak of?

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  • tinwhiskerstinwhiskers Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Why would you want 7 over XP? Especially if your comp can handle it? Well, there's the security, the snappiness and stability, the future abilities of the OS... but it really boils down to two words:

    SEARCH BAR.

    I cannot even use Windows again without this infinitely helpful tool. It has reduced the amount of time I pour through folders by 99%.

    Really, 7 is a great product. If you have the horsepower to run it, there is absolutely no reason not to get it, unless you're someone who just can't let go.

    What's this search bar you speak of?

    in the start menu, theres a little bar where you can type things. This searches your files and programs and lets you launch them from the start menu, rather than digging through the start menu folders to find it. Its great for things like calculator that you don't use often. I just hit windows key type "calc" and hit enter and its up.

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  • streeverstreever Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    win7 is amazing

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Why would you want 7 over XP? Especially if your comp can handle it? Well, there's the security, the snappiness and stability, the future abilities of the OS... but it really boils down to two words:

    SEARCH BAR.

    I cannot even use Windows again without this infinitely helpful tool. It has reduced the amount of time I pour through folders by 99%.

    Really, 7 is a great product. If you have the horsepower to run it, there is absolutely no reason not to get it, unless you're someone who just can't let go.

    What's this search bar you speak of?

    in the start menu, theres a little bar where you can type things. This searches your files and programs and lets you launch them from the start menu, rather than digging through the start menu folders to find it. Its great for things like calculator that you don't use often. I just hit windows key type "calc" and hit enter and its up.

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    To be fair win+r -> calc in XP did the same thing. :P

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  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    the start menu search bar is a lot more predictive than the run menu

    that said, start menu search is really just a vista feature that worked just as great there -- XP holdouts have been missing out for years

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  • Farout FoolioFarout Foolio Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    DragonPup wrote: »
    2) When I reformat, how do I keep all my totally awesome stuff?

    Do you have a backup hard drive? If so, download and run Microsoft's Easy Transfer program before you start installing Win7 and it automates the process nicely. You'll need to reinstall the programs themselves, but that's why we have the internet. :)

    Well, that's pretty cool!

    I've got access to a 500GB external HD, so the file transfer should go smoothly. Add that to a sweet student discount and it seems like a good idea to switch now.
    I should mention that one of the main reasons I'm motivated to switch is that someone got me Just Cause 2 as a steam gift for me but I can't run it. :'C


    One last question! I've noticed that my start-up time has slowly but surely been increasing. Will the upgrade process help this? I had assumed it was because my registry is probably a wasteland by this point.

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  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Vista and Win7 maintain clean registries, and do not have the same tendencies towards longer boot times as XP does, over time.

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  • Peter PrinciplePeter Principle Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Definitely.

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  • Farout FoolioFarout Foolio Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Man, that's awesome.

    Another question I thought of!
    What's the best way to transfer my steam files? I would rather not have to re-download 200GB of games if it can be helped. (Also don't want to lose my savegames).
    To that end, programs that save data to places OTHER than their directories are SILLY SILLY GEESE.
    (For instance, hitman blood money puts profile/save data in 'My Documents'

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  • solsovlysolsovly Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    If you are running an SSD, Windows does some fancy magic to make it better (Trim support).

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  • LaPuzzaLaPuzza Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I can't post anything concrete, but in terms of opinion, I really like 7 Home Premium. It seems a little cleaner and smoother in most instances. I really like the drag-to-edge features when I'm working with multiple Windows. I used to be an alt-tab guy, and still am at work on Vista, but I use side-by-side all the time on my 7 machine at home

    I don't like the way that clicking on a quicklaunch button won't open a second instance (pulls up IE instead of opening a new window), but I'm prepared to assume that there is a way to change that I just haven't found.

    All in all, I feel like 7 is an apology for every "upgrade" MS released from Win 98 to present.

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  • L Ron HowardL Ron Howard The duck MinnesotaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    LaPuzza wrote: »
    I don't like the way that clicking on a quicklaunch button won't open a second instance (pulls up IE instead of opening a new window), but I'm prepared to assume that there is a way to change that I just haven't found

    Right click on the icon, and click the program name again. A little tedious, and out-of-the-way, but really not that bad.



    I gotta say, on the same computer, WinXP, fresh install, took easily 2 minutes to get into Windows.

    29 seconds timed from when you press the on button on the computer until you can start doing something in 7. After many months, going on a year now, with tons of extra shit installed, I think it takes another 5 seconds more now than it did after a fresh install.

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Man, that's awesome.

    Another question I thought of!
    What's the best way to transfer my steam files? I would rather not have to re-download 200GB of games if it can be helped. (Also don't want to lose my savegames).
    To that end, programs that save data to places OTHER than their directories are SILLY SILLY GEESE.
    (For instance, hitman blood money puts profile/save data in 'My Documents'

    You should try finding the DOSbox config file for the Steam version of XCOM in Vista Home. I just about threw my friend's laptop trying to get access to that file to tweak some settings. Virtualized directories and registries are nice for compatibility, but can really suck sometimes.

    To answer your questions, I think Steam has a cloud service, though you have to go into your account settings to turn it on, and then you can save your games to the server. I haven't played with Steam as much, but I think if you just copy the contents of the Steam folder in Program Files over it'll dig through there when you start it up in the new install and find what you have. I think I've heard that somewheres.

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  • Peter PrinciplePeter Principle Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Man, that's awesome.

    Another question I thought of!
    What's the best way to transfer my steam files? I would rather not have to re-download 200GB of games if it can be helped. (Also don't want to lose my savegames).
    To that end, programs that save data to places OTHER than their directories are SILLY SILLY GEESE.
    (For instance, hitman blood money puts profile/save data in 'My Documents'

    You should try finding the DOSbox config file for the Steam version of XCOM in Vista Home. I just about threw my friend's laptop trying to get access to that file to tweak some settings. Virtualized directories and registries are nice for compatibility, but can really suck sometimes.

    To answer your questions, I think Steam has a cloud service, though you have to go into your account settings to turn it on, and then you can save your games to the server. I haven't played with Steam as much, but I think if you just copy the contents of the Steam folder in Program Files over it'll dig through there when you start it up in the new install and find what you have. I think I've heard that somewheres.

    These guys probably have the definitive answer.

    http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=122063

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  • KyanilisKyanilis Bellevue, WARegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Man, if you haven't upgraded from XP to 7 you should do so. I remote in to a lot of computers and every time I get a machine with Vista I facepalm. At least with XP things are manageable, but really 7 makes my job easier by a large degree. But from a user standpoint you get things like security and new features that make your experience better.

    Your best bet is to backup everything you intend to keep on a separate hard drive. Steam stuff is iffy...you might be able to back it up as is and hope Steam recognizes the folder, otherwise I'm sure there's some article on it. Really your largest concern should be that game saves typically are saved in your Documents somewhere, usually in different spots. You're going to have to format your main drive and reinstall your applications/games. You might forget and lose a couple things, but pre-format backing up can be quite a task if the files you want are all over.

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  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    To move steam, you can just copy the whole Steam folder out to your backup drive, then back to wherever you want it saved on your new operating system. When you run steam.exe on the new operating system, it'll figure things out. I like to place steam somewhere like C:/Steam instead of letting it stay in Program Files in a Vista/Win7 environment, just to sidestep the (very reasonable and understandable) security that the newer operating systems apply to the Program Files folder.

    You'll need to do a bunch of file searching and some obsessive documentation to move all your saves and stuff over, because that's still left up to the developer as to where it gets placed. Look all over your user folder (including %appdata%... especially %appdata%) or whatever other fucking retarded places saves get stored.


    edit: if you don't have room on an external drive to save all your steam folder on, then there also exists a backup tool within steam that lets you divide game images into DVD sized backups. i don't recommend this for your purposes -- you'd probably spend more time backing up games than it'd take to just backup the games you really like onto HD-based storage and redownload the rest

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  • Farout FoolioFarout Foolio Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    So I've meticulously gone over my computer and moved everything I can find over to my external HD, but there's still about 20GB left on my hard drive. Would this be too much to attribute to clutter?
    It must be all in hidden files, because There's nothing else I can find that's more than a few megs in size.

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  • WillethWilleth Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I just upgraded from an XP machine to a 7 machine, and the one thing that really amazed me was the USB transfer speeds. Transferring my iTunes library onto an external HDD from XP took about two and a half hours. On 7 it took maybe twenty minutes using the exact same USB card.

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  • embrikembrik Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    LaPuzza wrote: »
    I don't like the way that clicking on a quicklaunch button won't open a second instance (pulls up IE instead of opening a new window), but I'm prepared to assume that there is a way to change that I just haven't found

    Right click on the icon, and click the program name again. A little tedious, and out-of-the-way, but really not that bad.

    Middle-click (mousewheel click) on it to start another instance. When hovering over open instances, middle-clicking on one will close it. Super-handy!
    So I've meticulously gone over my computer and moved everything I can find over to my external HD, but there's still about 20GB left on my hard drive. Would this be too much to attribute to clutter?
    It must be all in hidden files, because There's nothing else I can find that's more than a few megs in size.

    A large chunk is your virtual memory swap file (pagefile.sys) and another huge chunk will be your hibernation file (hiberfil.sys - if hibernation is enabled, and if it is, the size will match the amount of RAM in your system).
    Edit - to see these files, uncheck "Hide protected operating system files" in the folder options. (And obviously, no need to back up the pagefile and hiberfile)

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  • Marty81Marty81 Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    So I've meticulously gone over my computer and moved everything I can find over to my external HD, but there's still about 20GB left on my hard drive. Would this be too much to attribute to clutter?
    It must be all in hidden files, because There's nothing else I can find that's more than a few megs in size.

    You might try using spacemonger (freeware) to show you where all that space is.

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    embrik wrote: »
    LaPuzza wrote: »
    I don't like the way that clicking on a quicklaunch button won't open a second instance (pulls up IE instead of opening a new window), but I'm prepared to assume that there is a way to change that I just haven't found

    Right click on the icon, and click the program name again. A little tedious, and out-of-the-way, but really not that bad.

    Middle-click (mousewheel click) on it to start another instance. When hovering over open instances, middle-clicking on one will close it. Super-handy!
    So I've meticulously gone over my computer and moved everything I can find over to my external HD, but there's still about 20GB left on my hard drive. Would this be too much to attribute to clutter?
    It must be all in hidden files, because There's nothing else I can find that's more than a few megs in size.

    A large chunk is your virtual memory swap file (pagefile.sys) and another huge chunk will be your hibernation file (hiberfil.sys - if hibernation is enabled, and if it is, the size will match the amount of RAM in your system).
    Edit - to see these files, uncheck "Hide protected operating system files" in the folder options. (And obviously, no need to back up the pagefile and hiberfile)
    Not to mention a few gigs of Windows system files, and temp files, servicepack uninstallers and such.

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  • AzioAzio Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    My work machine = Vista. An exercise in torture daily.

    My home machine = 7. An exercise is awesomeness.
    ugh. Windows 7 is pretty much exactly the same as windows vista.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Azio wrote: »
    My work machine = Vista. An exercise in torture daily.

    My home machine = 7. An exercise is awesomeness.
    ugh. Windows 7 is pretty much exactly the same as windows vista.

    *cough*

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  • yurnamehereyurnamehere Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    embrik wrote: »
    LaPuzza wrote: »
    I don't like the way that clicking on a quicklaunch button won't open a second instance (pulls up IE instead of opening a new window), but I'm prepared to assume that there is a way to change that I just haven't found

    Right click on the icon, and click the program name again. A little tedious, and out-of-the-way, but really not that bad.

    Middle-click (mousewheel click) on it to start another instance. When hovering over open instances, middle-clicking on one will close it. Super-handy!
    So I've meticulously gone over my computer and moved everything I can find over to my external HD, but there's still about 20GB left on my hard drive. Would this be too much to attribute to clutter?
    It must be all in hidden files, because There's nothing else I can find that's more than a few megs in size.

    A large chunk is your virtual memory swap file (pagefile.sys) and another huge chunk will be your hibernation file (hiberfil.sys - if hibernation is enabled, and if it is, the size will match the amount of RAM in your system).
    Edit - to see these files, uncheck "Hide protected operating system files" in the folder options. (And obviously, no need to back up the pagefile and hiberfile)
    Not to mention a few gigs of Windows system files, and temp files, servicepack uninstallers and such.

    System Restore reserved space is another good one, and Recycle Bin reserved space.

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  • fightinfilipinofightinfilipino Angry as Hell #BLMRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Azio wrote: »
    My work machine = Vista. An exercise in torture daily.

    My home machine = 7. An exercise is awesomeness.
    ugh. Windows 7 is pretty much exactly the same as windows vista.

    you know how i can tell when a Vista user hasn't used Win7 at all?

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