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Difficult is Fun: Gothic

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  • DashuiDashui Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Risen was pretty great, and that's their spiritual successor to the Gothic games. I hope they're working on a sequel.

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  • Sir CarcassSir Carcass I have been shown the end of my world Round Rock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    I've pretty much enjoyed each Gothic game more than the last (with the requisite patches, of course). 3 is currently my favorite. I haven't played Risen, so I can't comment on it.

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  • Skull2185Skull2185 Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Dashui wrote: »
    Risen was pretty great, and that's their spiritual successor to the Gothic games. I hope they're working on a sequel.

    If your only means to play is on the 360 is it still great? I am interested in the game, but I haven't heard good things about the 360 version.

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  • Sir CarcassSir Carcass I have been shown the end of my world Round Rock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    I think it was mentioned in this very thread, but if I remember correctly, the 360 version was pretty horrible.

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  • DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    I don't believe it was horrible, it just looks horrible. They removed a lot of the grass and foliage and the textures look all blurry and shitty. Here are some side by side comparison shots.

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  • Sir CarcassSir Carcass I have been shown the end of my world Round Rock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Maybe I'm thinking of Two Worlds.

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  • KazooKazoo Get in the van. I have candy.Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Two Worlds was fun on PC. Awful on 360.

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  • GlalGlal Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Indeed. If you can get past the controls then the 360 version is okay, but that'll take some dedication.

    [edit] Re: Risen, not TW.

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  • DkarrdeDkarrde Registered User
    edited July 2010
    Kazoo wrote: »
    Two Worlds was fun on PC. Awful on 360.

    In two different computers I have found no way whatsoever to get my Steam copy of Two Worlds to function. The first computer produced game-ending graphical errors that turned the screen to garbage. The second it just will not run.

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  • reddeathreddeath Registered User
    edited July 2010
    3 could have very easily trumped the entire series, but it becomes pretty obvious once you get a bit far north or south, that they just ran out of time. You stop finding unique encounters, stop getting permanent stat plants, stop finding treasure, the world just runs to empty. PB just ran out of time.

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  • BroktuneBroktune Registered User
    edited July 2010
    I'm trying to get into Gothic 3, there are just too many bugs and weird things that happen all the time. I was in an arena fight the other night, my guy takes one step outside the barrier, they call me the loser and the whole camp attacks me AND take my gold and weapon. Animals are deadly with their constant backing up to dodge your attack only to strike and land multiple hits on you until you are dead. The death scream and ragdoll of the character make me chuckle. I just don't get a lot of things that are going on. You help some guy out by killing some bad ass monsters and all he offers is to train you in hunting? 20 other people do that for nothing. Everyone treats you like shit and that's fine because if I went up to everyone flailing my arms when I spoke asking "What are YOUUUUU doing here?" I would expect the same.

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  • DashuiDashui Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Broktune wrote: »
    I'm trying to get into Gothic 3, there are just too many bugs and weird things that happen all the time. I was in an arena fight the other night, my guy takes one step outside the barrier, they call me the loser and the whole camp attacks me AND take my gold and weapon. Animals are deadly with their constant backing up to dodge your attack only to strike and land multiple hits on you until you are dead. The death scream and ragdoll of the character make me chuckle. I just don't get a lot of things that are going on. You help some guy out by killing some bad ass monsters and all he offers is to train you in hunting? 20 other people do that for nothing. Everyone treats you like shit and that's fine because if I went up to everyone flailing my arms when I spoke asking "What are YOUUUUU doing here?" I would expect the same.

    Have you tried the unofficial patch? I can't offer an opinion on it, but it may be worth trying. I'm tempted to re-install the game and try it, too. I never did beat Gothic 3. I liberated a city and then reached the desert but that was it.

    Edit: Holy shit. The patch is nearly a gig in size. There are also thousands of fixes, apparently. The community patch also had help from developers and even had its own beta tests for each release.

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    The "oh I dodged backward, you didn't actually hit me" thing that most animals do is such bullshit.

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    I quit today because I was getting frustrated in the New Mine. I have to climb down a ladder while being shot with crossbows by 2 guys. Having a separate arrow resistance sucks.

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Made it to Chapter 5. This minecrawler armor looks wacky. I've finally been able to invest in strength, now that I've got enough points socked away for the sixth circle. My weapons will work once more!

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  • BroktuneBroktune Registered User
    edited July 2010
    I haven't tried the community patch, I might have to give it a shot. I hope it fixes combat as that has turned into me just flailing my sword in somethings face waiting for them to walk into it. I guess I enjoy the game so far, it's just so damn weird.

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I've got my Troll's Fist axe, my awesome necromancer robe, my sixth circle learned, and my strength maxed out. I'm ready to make this game my bitch.

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I did it!

    None of the movies worked :(

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  • DashuiDashui Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I'm about to install Gothic 3 and hopefully beat it this time. I also hope the community patch really does make it more stable. Vanilla ran like utter shit.

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I guess I'll start gothic 2 soon. Are there any fan patches or stuff like that? I have the steam version, I assume it's got the latest official patch.

    Is being a mage any better? It was kind of underwhelming in Gothic, spells all took way too long to cast, and didn't do much more damage than a sword hit.

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  • DashuiDashui Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Gothic 3 doesn't even want to install. Every time I get to compiledMesh.pak, I get a data error (cyclic redundancy check). :(

    Edit: I got it to install by restarting my PC. The disc was clean, so I don't know what was up with that error. Now to install the 1GB community patch.

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  • Sir CarcassSir Carcass I have been shown the end of my world Round Rock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Dashui wrote: »
    I'm about to install Gothic 3 and hopefully beat it this time. I also hope the community patch really does make it more stable. Vanilla ran like utter shit.

    Oh, it still runs like shit, but it never crashed on me that I can remember.

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  • SithDrummerSithDrummer Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Gothic 1 and 2 are really, really great games, with some bugs and some age but a lot of charm and good gameplay.

    The key to survival in both, absolutely at first and often later on, is to avoid the fights you can't win. Most animals can overpower you at level 1, and most humanoids can beat you easily at later levels. Even once you're midway up the levels, you still can't take on 3+ orcs at once, and the one guy you thought was alone will end up calling in five reinforcements. That said, going off of the beaten path, while usually fatal, also can occasionally yield some truly excellent advantages. I remember once, at around level 5 or so, I decided I was just going to explore as much as I could without getting killed. I snuck around an orc patrol, hit under the shadow of an abandoned mage tower, ran into my first ever sighting of those velociraptor things, and finally had begun climbing my way down a mountain path toward the sea when I found a skeleton holding a badass looking axe. I picked it up, got jumped by two other skeletons, ran the fuck away, nearly got killed by the returning orc patrol, made it back into the city and watched as the guards drove off the orcs. It turns out that I couldn't use the axe for two more levels, but once there I became a mini-god for a while because it had boosted my attack so much beyond the typical weapon for where I was.

    Having no mouse in Gothic 1 is difficult to get used to, but it can be overcome. Until you become familiar with the combat system, everything is going to feel clunky and awkward - which actually makes sense, because your character starts out terrible with a sword. However, as you learn the precise rhythm of attacks and blocks, your character likewise progresses in speed and skill with the sword. You both hit the point of mastery at approximately the same time, which was a very pleasant surprise when I first played it, and is something no other game I know of has captured.

    The first time I played, I joined the pot-smoking tribe. I don't remember what they were called, but it wasn't the Fire or the Water mages.

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I never felt good at combat. The controls were awful and clunky the whole game.

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Sounds like Gothic 2's classes/guilds are a little more restrictive. I think I'll go for the pure combat Mercenary route. Magic was kind of a letdown in Gothic. I felt like I was always gimping myself by saving LPs for learning magic, when it was never terribly effective.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    captaink wrote: »
    I guess I'll start gothic 2 soon. Are there any fan patches or stuff like that? I have the steam version, I assume it's got the latest official patch.

    Is being a mage any better? It was kind of underwhelming in Gothic, spells all took way too long to cast, and didn't do much more damage than a sword hit.

    Gothic 2 has a nude patch, zomg.

    My advice is to kill things with a bow for Gothic 2. Spell casting is improved and there are some 'end of the world' spells you can use to clear rooms and kill dragons but you've already played a mage. Try being Robin Hood. Live off the land, skin animals, pew pew arrows, sneak around in town and rob everyone blind while they sleep, etc.

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  • korodullinkorodullin What. SCRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Dashui wrote: »
    Broktune wrote: »
    I'm trying to get into Gothic 3, there are just too many bugs and weird things that happen all the time. I was in an arena fight the other night, my guy takes one step outside the barrier, they call me the loser and the whole camp attacks me AND take my gold and weapon. Animals are deadly with their constant backing up to dodge your attack only to strike and land multiple hits on you until you are dead. The death scream and ragdoll of the character make me chuckle. I just don't get a lot of things that are going on. You help some guy out by killing some bad ass monsters and all he offers is to train you in hunting? 20 other people do that for nothing. Everyone treats you like shit and that's fine because if I went up to everyone flailing my arms when I spoke asking "What are YOUUUUU doing here?" I would expect the same.

    Have you tried the unofficial patch? I can't offer an opinion on it, but it may be worth trying. I'm tempted to re-install the game and try it, too. I never did beat Gothic 3. I liberated a city and then reached the desert but that was it.

    Edit: Holy shit. The patch is nearly a gig in size. There are also thousands of fixes, apparently. The community patch also had help from developers and even had its own beta tests for each release.
    Use the unofficial patch for bug fixes. Avoid its "rebalancing" like the fucking plague.

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    So there's a Gothic 2 community patch. Do I need it? It has some rebalancing, which looks dumb. But that apparently can be disabled.

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  • Sir CarcassSir Carcass I have been shown the end of my world Round Rock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I don't believe I used a community patch for Gothic 2, but it's been quite a while since I played it. If it just fixes bugs, I'd probably go ahead.

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I found some v2.0 one that they said had been redone from scratch, without any balance changes.

    It sucks being relegated back to being a punk. I wish I were at least playing a different character, so I didn't feel like a total bitch.

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  • Sir CarcassSir Carcass I have been shown the end of my world Round Rock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Yeah.... you play the same character in 3, as well.

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  • FiatilFiatil Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I played the hell out of Gothic 2 back in the day. I remember waiting a couple of years desperately hoping for Night of the Raven to get translated into english after finding out about it. I stopped paying attention for awhile and they finally released the gold edition, which I bought but never really got around to finishing. I want to try all of the sweet expansion stuff, but I'm not sure if I can deal with starting all over again. It's great going from 0 to fuckawesome, but after doing it twice (second time with a mage, man do they get fuckawesome) it's hard to talk myself up again.

    Shame that 1 is so hard to get working properly/has horrible keyboard combat, and 3 is mostly meh.

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Do they really get awesome? In Gothic 1 I tried being a mage, and it sucked. All the spells had long cast times so it was "Cast 1-2 times, then melee anyways." And the last 2 "special" spells were utterly underwhelming, despite the fact that I had to give away by uberweapon to get them.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Being a mage in Gothic 2 is better than being a mage in Gothic. Gothic 2 beats the first in every way.

    .... still, I say play an archer!

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    But I love magic!

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  • SilpheedSilpheed Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Being a Mage in Gothic II with Night of the Raven sucks horribly though, since enemies get a major HP boost while the spells didn't really get any improvement.

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I think I might be a little bit stuck in Khorinis. I'm out of easy XP and money, but Lares won't escort me to the inn or farm or whatever until someone replaces him or does something about the disappearances.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    captaink wrote: »
    I think I might be a little bit stuck in Khorinis. I'm out of easy XP and money, but Lares won't escort me to the inn or farm or whatever until someone replaces him or does something about the disappearances.

    .... find someone to replace him? Do something about the disappearances?

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I don't really have a lead on either of those activities.

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Dropped this for a bit due to picking up Mass Effect 1/2 again. Played a little today.

    Managed to kill my 6 wolves and get some skins. Now I can go uptown! I haven't yet, trying to polish off a few more quests.

    LPs feel a lot more precious this game. I think Gothic 1 had faster leveling overall. I've been playing for quite a while, and I only just hit level 5. I've sunk all my points into strength, skinning, and 1 handed combat. I still feel pretty gimpy.

    I did follow Lares' advice and use Sleep on a guard so I could nab some free leather armor. That helped a lot. I've got enough gold to get a new sword now, I think I'll blow most of my cash on it.

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