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LIMBO: If you don't buy this on Steam, I will feed you to the spider

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  • DagrabbitDagrabbit Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    The $15 price point feels high compared to other XBLA titles that retailed for $15 originally. Of the examples I can think of, Limbo has the least amount of content by a sizable margin. I liked the game, but I likely wouldn't have gotten it if I didn't have a gift card to buy it with.

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  • Mr_GrinchMr_Grinch Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    That LBP level looks just as much fun as the actual game. That's fantastic.

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  • TurkeyTurkey So, Usoop. TampaRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Has a PC port been announced? A Steam sale for this game would be awesome.

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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    It is 360 exclusive for the time being. I suspect it will be announced for other platform(s) within 12 months.

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  • DirtyDirty Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    You can bitch all you want about prices not dropping but you're still not entitled to it. Sure, the company may be costing themselves sales and profit by not cutting the price over time, but that's their call. There's no divine customer right to pay what you think the product is worth. You pay what they ask or you bugger off.

    The objective 'best' price is the one that makes the company the most money overall, not the one that maximises the number of sales.

    This is not a sense of entitlement, but rather simply expectations based on typical market behavior. Old games are perceived as being worth less than newer games, therefore, they are sold at a lower price.

    You say that the consumer should pay what the developer asks or bugger off. That's a little backwards. The consumer doesn't need the game more than the developer needs the consumer's money. I'm not saying the dev should bend to my personal whims or what I think it should cost. If they want to charge more than I am willing to pay, and never lower the price for as long as the game is available to download, they are completely within their rights. I'm just not going to buy it. They can do the buggering off.

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  • Two Headed BoyTwo Headed Boy Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I'm glad to see the direction of this thread has spurred interesting discussion about this unique, mysterious, and artistic game.

    Oh wait, we're still talking about 1200 Microsoft points. I'll see my way out.

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  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I'm glad to see the direction of this thread has spurred interesting discussion about this unique, mysterious, and artistic game.

    Oh wait, we're still talking about 1200 Microsoft points. I'll see my way out.

    See you next fall. This is Summer of Arcade.

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  • DirtyDirty Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I'm glad to see the direction of this thread has spurred interesting discussion about this unique, mysterious, and artistic game.

    Oh wait, we're still talking about 1200 Microsoft points. I'll see my way out.

    Ya know, I have no problem with this game being 1200 points. I won't be getting this game, but I have purchased other games with similar price:length ratios. I'm just annoyed how people are being told that their opinion of something that is totally subjective (the value of a game) is somehow invalid. The problem is that the people who DO think the game is worth the 1200 won't just accept it when someone else doesn't.

    I think the main reason why you don't see much discussion outside of pricing arguments is because there isn't a whole lot of actual content to discuss. Game length burn.

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  • Two Headed BoyTwo Headed Boy Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    You don't even have the game? Yeah, well maybe that's why nobody is giving your opinion much credence.

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  • TurkeyTurkey So, Usoop. TampaRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    He has to buy the game to express his opinion that it's too expensive?

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  • Two Headed BoyTwo Headed Boy Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I really have to explain this?

    Unless you are using a completely Time to Dollar equation, how can one know if a game is worth the cost or not unless they play it? I didn't know Halo 3: ODST wasn't worth $60 to me until I played it and determined that.

    You can have a different opinion about the quality and value of a game, but to make such a claim sight unseen is silly. Look at it this way: If you wanted to know if Limbo was "worth it" or not, would you ask the person who played it or the person who hasn't played it?

    [EDIT] Damn, I am now fully participating in the conversation I was originally criticizing! Well played, you!

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  • PaperLuigi44PaperLuigi44 My amazement is at maximum capacity. Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    [EDIT] Damn, I am now fully participating in the conversation I was originally criticizing! Well played, you!

    It's almost as if you're trapped in some sort of



    Limbo.

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  • DirtyDirty Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    You don't even have the game? Yeah, well maybe that's why nobody is giving your opinion much credence.

    It's like you're not even reading my entire post. I was never offering my opinion of the game. I wasn't saying that it wasn't worth $15. I even said it was a fair price. I was merely arguing that there is nothing wrong with having the opinion that the game is worth less than $15. I just get pissed off when people tell other people that their opinions are wrong. it's bullshit is what it is.

    My opinion of the game is not relevant to this particular conversation.

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  • Two Headed BoyTwo Headed Boy Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    So you've come to post in the Limbo thread of all places to talk about your strong animosity toward those who do not give validity to opposing opinions?

    Please allow me to redirect you.

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  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I always feel bad when I let Limbo die.

    Poor Limbo.
    COWBOY BEBOP IS AT HIS COMPUTER

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  • DirtyDirty Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    So you've come to post in the Limbo thread of all places to talk about your strong animosity toward those who do not give validity to opposing opinions?

    Please allow me to redirect you.

    I didn't just choose this thread at random. I saw some other people being berated for having the audacity to have a different opinion of this game. All I was trying to say was if someone says the game you love isn't worth the price it's going for in their opinion, then you don't need to go out of your way to tell them how much of a idiot/cheapskate they are. It's really the people that love the game that send the conversation on these tangents of price discussion and away from the game itself.

    Did I go off-topic? Yes. Could this go in the bitching thread? Sure, but I'd rather take my complaint to the source when possible.

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  • XagarathXagarath Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Dirty wrote: »
    I'd rather troll the thread where possible

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  • DirtyDirty Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Alright, I concede. Anyone who disagrees with those who love the game in the OP are wrong/cheap/stupid, and I am a moron for thinking that one man's opinion is just as valid as the opinion of another.

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  • GanluanGanluan Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Dirty wrote: »
    Alright, I concede. Anyone who disagrees with those who love the game in the OP are wrong/cheap/stupid, and I am a moron for thinking that one man's opinion is just as valid as the opinion of another.

    Uh, you're not even talking about the game now, you're complaining about the XBLA pricing structure. It's a valid complaint, but has nothing to do with Limbo itself.

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  • The Grey GOATThe Grey GOAT Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Does anyone know if the 5 death thing can be cheated using the auto-save? Meaning, does the game count if you died if you don't make it past the next checkpoint?

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  • GanluanGanluan Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Does anyone know if the 5 death thing can be cheated using the auto-save? Meaning, does the game count if you died if you don't make it past the next checkpoint?

    The achievement actually says "in one sitting", so you fail if you restart the game in any way, including going to the dashboard.

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  • gunwarriorgunwarrior Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Ganluan wrote: »
    Dirty wrote: »
    Alright, I concede. Anyone who disagrees with those who love the game in the OP are wrong/cheap/stupid, and I am a moron for thinking that one man's opinion is just as valid as the opinion of another.

    Uh, you're not even talking about the game now, you're complaining about the XBLA pricing structure. It's a valid complaint, but has nothing to do with Limbo itself.

    Someone mentioned that if $15 is too much then they should wait until the price goes down, he was only talking about XBLA to say that those prices don't really change.

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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    or wait til you can get some discounted MS points

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  • The Grey GOATThe Grey GOAT Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Ganluan wrote: »
    Does anyone know if the 5 death thing can be cheated using the auto-save? Meaning, does the game count if you died if you don't make it past the next checkpoint?

    The achievement actually says "in one sitting", so you fail if you restart the game in any way, including going to the dashboard.

    Oops, sorry I forgot it actually says that.:mrgreen:

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  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I have found Limbo: The Movie, and it is called The Road. It makes me want to kill myself. Go figure, it's from the depraved author who gave us No Country For Old Men.

    The Road

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  • MonthenorMonthenor Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Ganluan wrote: »
    Does anyone know if the 5 death thing can be cheated using the auto-save? Meaning, does the game count if you died if you don't make it past the next checkpoint?

    The achievement actually says "in one sitting", so you fail if you restart the game in any way, including going to the dashboard.

    Oops, sorry I forgot it actually says that.:mrgreen:

    Does pausing the game break the "one sitting" condition? I was attempting one run and got a phone call in the middle...failed it later on deaths, but I was wondering if the pause had already ruined me.

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  • PaperLuigi44PaperLuigi44 My amazement is at maximum capacity. Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Monthenor wrote: »
    Ganluan wrote: »
    Does anyone know if the 5 death thing can be cheated using the auto-save? Meaning, does the game count if you died if you don't make it past the next checkpoint?

    The achievement actually says "in one sitting", so you fail if you restart the game in any way, including going to the dashboard.

    Oops, sorry I forgot it actually says that.:mrgreen:

    Does pausing the game break the "one sitting" condition? I was attempting one run and got a phone call in the middle...failed it later on deaths, but I was wondering if the pause had already ruined me.

    I highly doubt it.

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  • klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Pausing doesn't count against you, restarting does.
    So if you find yourself on the main menu, you've missed it

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  • MonthenorMonthenor Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Aces, that makes it a little less daunting.

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  • Wandering IdiotWandering Idiot Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    My thoughts:
    I don’t think anyone has stated this outright, but to me the main reason the later parts of the game are less compelling is the lack of an active antagonist, like the spider in the early parts or the lord-of-the-flies kids in the midgame. I felt like the earlier parts had a certain narrative- the traps were presumably set by the kids to keep out dangerous creatures like the spider, along with interlopers like yourself. The latter parts of the game are mostly contextless deathtraps and dangerous machinery in inexplicably good working order considering the city seems to be abandoned. It needed something like an authority figure as the final enemy- a factory foreman, or just a crazy hermit who had moved in and taken control of the machinery, to follow the progression from the natural threat of the spider in the woods, to the primitive human threat of the kids and their treehouses, to the more “civilized” environment of the city. The automated machine guns imply a certain level of militarism, which we never really see anywhere else. The endgame doesn’t have much of a climax, just a series of physics puzzles in the same industrial environment, then an unnecessarily long pause after getting thrown out a window considering there isn’t much payoff for it, and an abrupt end. I’m not going to read too much into finding the sister, as she was pretty much an explicit MacGuffin (and the title screen after isn’t much of a twist considering the game’s title). I’m sure people are tired of the comparisons to Braid, but despite the prose story going off into a muddled mess near the end, the actual last level of that game elevated the entire thing by using the gameplay mechanics for the purpose of narrative, whereas Limbo’s ending is the mopier monochromatic equivalent of a “thank you for playing” screen. I get the feeling the development team started to run out of time/money/patience (which isn’t too surprising for an indie company), and wasn’t able to put as much care into the later areas of the game as the earlier ones.

    How would I have wanted Limbo to end? Aside from having some sort of confrontation with the last enemy who dogged you through the industrial sections (the first encounter with the spider was a pretty good “boss fight” model, I’m sure they could have come up with something clever involving a room full of those machine guns on movable pulleys manipulated by the enemy in a control box or something), I would have liked it if the game didn’t end immediately on finding the object of your quest, which was old and hoary back in the late NES days. Just… some sort of interaction, either you walk up to her and she fades away, followed by the boy, or there’s some sort of danger following you and you have to use the grab button to lead her way from it and something happens… anything, really. I mean Karateka, a 1984 game that also told its story entirely without dialogue or text, had a better use of gameplay in its ending (if you approached the princess in your usual fighting stance she would kick you in the head and kill you).

    I don’t mean this to say I didn’t like the game, it’s still one of my favorite titles of the year. But I can’t shake the feeling that it’s merely a good game which could have been a great one with a little fleshing out of the later sections and ending.

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  • yellowdart2yellowdart2 Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Just finished this last night. An amazing game, and some of the puzzles towards the end are dastardly.

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  • VerrVerr Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Cantido wrote: »
    I have found Limbo: The Movie, and it is called The Road. It makes me want to kill myself. Go figure, it's from the depraved author who gave us No Country For Old Men.

    Haven't seen the movie, but yeah. That book is mind fuckingly depressing.

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  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    This didn't end like I thought it would, but I was close:
    I was certain that the final scene in the game would be you falling to your death and landing in the place you wake up in initially.

    Making the look more explicit or whatever.

    I liked it.

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  • El GuacoEl Guaco Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Aegeri wrote: »
    Absolutely loved this game. Was well worth the download. I miss quirky puzzle games and this reminded me a bit of older games like Abe's Odyssey.
    Dirty wrote: »
    So you've come to post in the Limbo thread of all places to talk about your strong animosity toward those who do not give validity to opposing opinions?

    Please allow me to redirect you.

    I didn't just choose this thread at random. I saw some other people being berated for having the audacity to have a different opinion of this game. All I was trying to say was if someone says the game you love isn't worth the price it's going for in their opinion,

    They are welcome to be wrong. Opinions are not special protected snowflakes that cannot be incorrect and are all the same validity. I think the game is fantastic and for $15 dollars I have a hard time thinking I didn't get value out of it (and I play a lot of games). If someone disagrees, I am welcome to think they are plain incorrect or a cheapskate.

    You can't change my opinion that I think their opinion is wrong. Yet you'll defend them being wrong and not my right to think they are wrong. This could all get very meta.

    Let me summarize:

    a) Some people thought the game was worth $15
    b) Some people thought the game was not worth $15
    c) Both sides drew swords and insulted each other
    d) Both sides lose because it's dumb argument
    e) The rest of this thread moves on


    OK, that last one is wishful thinking, but I can hope, right?

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  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    The fans use the customary term HATERS GONNA HATE now.

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  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Cantido wrote: »
    The fans use the customary term HATERS GONNA HATE now.

    Oh good, I get to use this again

    b216115710.jpg

    So hey guys, I finally scrounged up $15 to buy this game and it's pretty good so far

    Haven't had a whole lot of trouble with the puzzles yet, so far the part I died the most at is
    where the spider reappears right before you have to kill him

    that log looks more like a platform than a log, and I couldn't tell that I was supposed to push it into the water for a long while

    Tons of fun though, definitely worth the funbux

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  • mxmarksmxmarks Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I have no idea what that is and now am concerened about viewing this thread at work.

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  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    mxmarks wrote: »
    I have no idea what that is and now am concerened about viewing this thread at work.

    It is a spider

    Original image
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  • Skull2185Skull2185 Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    mxmarks wrote: »
    I have no idea what that is and now am concerened about viewing this thread at work.

    Did you think it was a vagina?

    If that looks like the vaginas you're used to seeing, you might live in a town too close to the nuclear power plant.

    Or on another world.

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