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Play D&D, Gamma World, and Ravenloft at PAX

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edited August 2010 in PAX Archive
Once again Wizards of the Coast and the RPGA are running a number of D&D and other tabletop gaming events at PAX Prime.

We will be in the Pike Street Annex/Conference Center on the third floor this year. Details on the events and location will be available at our mini-site here:
http://sites.google.com/site/ddatpaxprime/

You can pre-register to play many of the games. Signing up and playing is free if you have a badge. Register to play events here:
http://warhorn.net/pax-2010/

We are still looking for few volunteers to help run D&D events at PAX. You need to be an experienced D&D 4th Edition judge. Email me for more details at comixguru (at) yahoo (dot) com or request membership to our GMs group at:
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/PAXRPGAJudges/

PAX Prime 2010 D&D Event Descriptions

Experience Level: Brand-New to D&D
D&D Learn-to-Play
Have you ever wanted to give D&D a try? Maybe you’ve played a past edition of the game and want to check out what’s new. Our friendly staff will guide you through your first steps in world’s most popular fantasy roleplaying game. We even have a kid-friendly game ready to go too! Stop on by and play through your first adventure. Everything’s provided! 4 hours.
Runs Friday 11 am and 5 pm; Saturday 11 am and 5 pm; Sunday 11 am

Experience Level: New and Experienced D&D Players
D&D Convention Delve: Lair of the Dread Witch
In the deep forest, a place of dark power lies, its corruptive influence seeping into the lands beyond its borders. Can you contain the threat of the dread witch, and stop her rituals before all falls into darkness? A 1st-level D&D convention delve featuring characters from the upcoming D&D Essentials line. Play as often as you like and earn tokens that can be redeemed for prizes! 1 hour per adventure.
Runs Friday 11 am – 10 pm; Saturday 11 am – 10 pm; Sunday 11 am – 2 pm

D&D Living Forgotten Realms: Return to Ravens Bluff
A series of three linked adventures forms a complete mini-campaign suitable for 1st-level characters! If you’re a fan of the Living City, you’ll want to give the mini-campaign a try, and if you’ve never played Living Forgotten Realms before, this is a great place to start! 4 hours per adventure.
Runs Friday 1 pm and 7 pm; Saturday 1 pm; Sunday 11 am

D&D Gamma World: Pax Extraterrestria
Catch a 4-hour preview session of the upcoming D&D Gamma World tabletop RPG—a game where the men are radioactive yetis, the women are telekinetic androids, and you never bring a floppy feet mutation to a fusion rifle fight. Come to try out the highly random character creation and defend Gamma Terra from the alien entity that seeks to destroy all the world's remaining technology. Play with the first finished copies of the game a month before its release, and make your own characters! 4 hours.
Runs Friday 1 pm and 7 pm; Saturday 1 pm and 7 pm; Sunday 11 am

Experience Level: Some D&D Experience Recommended
D&D Classics: Curse of the Gray Hag
The mists roll in at the village of Nightshade Hollows, where fearful residents are falling prey to a wicked denizen with a terrible secret. Can you unravel the mystery of the town’s curse before you succumb to it as well? A 9th-level D&D adventure with characters provided. 4 hours.
Runs Friday 1 pm and 7 pm; Saturday 1 pm and 7 pm; Sunday 11 am

D&D Dark Sun Arenas: Glory and Blood
Seven city-states. Seven gladiatorial arenas. One chance at lasting glory. The crowds of Athas await as you compete for their favor and the title of Arena Master! Create your own 1st-level Dark Sun character on-site to earn glory, upgrade your equipment, and master the different arenas in the circuit. Play as often as you like. Each arena fight you win brings you closer to the ultimate prize! 2 hours per adventure.
Runs Friday 11 am, 1 pm, 3 pm, 5 pm, 7pm, 9 pm; Saturday 11 am, 1 pm, 3 pm, 5 pm, 7pm, 9 pm; Sunday 11 am and 1 pm

D&D DM Challenge: Dungeon of Horrors
This DM Challenge is a special one-time event running only at PAX Prime! DMs create a 9th-level adventure harkening back to classic dungeons of yesteryear, bringing their craftiest tricks and traps to bear! Can you conquer their fiendish forces and claim victory? Rate your play experience to determine the best adventure of the evening! 9th-level characters are provided. 4-6 hours.
Runs Saturday 7 pm

Other Events
Three-Dragon Ante Tournament
Come play in a tournament with this fantastic D&D-themed card game! Players will participate in an opening round, and the table winners will form a final round. Decks will be mixed and matched between the original game and the Emperor’s Gambit game. Winners receive prizes! 4 hours.
Runs Friday 7 pm

Castle Ravenloft Board Game Challenge
Explore the secrets of the new Castle Ravenloft board game as you play through one of the many adventures included. The mists of Ravenloft await, and perhaps, with a little luck and some teamwork, you can emerge from Strahd’s castle with your wits and your lives! 2 hours per game.
Runs Friday 11 am, 1 pm, 3 pm, 5 pm, 7pm, 9 pm; Saturday 11 am, 1 pm, 3 pm, 5 pm, 7pm, 9 pm; Sunday 11 am and 1 pm

Robert Altomare
PAX Prime Senior GM since 2007
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  • ThreeveThreeve Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    If you plan to play in any of these events, I would suggest signing up early Friday as the spots tend to fill up quickly. Hanging out in the D&D room I heard several people walk in and ask, "What do I have to do to play?" to which the person behind the desk would reply, "Travel back in time to Friday and sign up then."

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  • SlickShughesSlickShughes Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Threeve wrote: »
    ...the person behind the desk would reply, "Travel back in time to Friday and sign up then."

    I don't mean to start the thread off on a negative note, but I had a similar experience last year at Prime '09, and it was one of the very few negative things that I've ever run into at PAX. The staff was unhelpful to say the least, surly is a more apt description. And I was registered, just late.

    On the flip side, I had an excellent experience at PAX East in March. We played whatever the speed run event with pregenerated characters was twice, and had a lot of fun. No hassle, no signing up way in advance, just get in line and play. My wife and I combined our tokens to win a backpack! I hope to find my way to one of these events again at Prime '10.

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  • ShigglesShiggles Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    You can pre-register to play many of the games.
    Hello RPGA Coordinator, I have a few quick questions for you. :)

    I'm very interested in the Three-Dragon Ante Tournament. :mrgreen:
    However, I noticed it is one of the games you cannot pre-register for, at the time of this post. :(

    Will there be a pre-registeration for it later, or does one just show up to participate in the opening round?
    If it happens to be the latter, would it be recommended to show up somewhat early (10-30 minutes) before the start time?

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  • Cerrato0426Cerrato0426 Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Cool, I was hoping for an ultra noob event. As soon as we get a final PAX schedule I'll be registering.

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  • Moe FwackyMoe Fwacky Right Here, Right Now Drives a BuickModerator Mod Emeritus
    edited August 2010
    Shiggles wrote: »
    You can pre-register to play many of the games.
    Hello RPGA Coordinator, I have a few quick questions for you. :)

    I'm very interested in the Three-Dragon Ante Tournament. :mrgreen:
    However, I noticed it is one of the games you cannot pre-register for, at the time of this post. :(

    Will there be a pre-registeration for it later, or does one just show up to participate in the opening round?
    If it happens to be the latter, would it be recommended to show up somewhat early (10-30 minutes) before the start time?

    Thank you for reminding me that I need to pick up a copy of Three-Dragon Ante.

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  • NopeNope Frankfort, KYRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Probably a dumb question but the D&D Learn-to-Play event...I know literally NOTHING about D&D other then what I've heard on the Penny Arcade D&D Podcast.

    Would anybody still suggest this event to me? I really wanna get into D&D but again I know next to nothing, especially when it comes to the rules an such.

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  • SlickShughesSlickShughes Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Cool, I was hoping for an ultra noob event. As soon as we get a final PAX schedule I'll be registering.

    Past experience says that will be too late.

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  • macbittmacbitt Atlanta, GARegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Very nice, thanks. For the "New and Experienced D&D Players" level games does one need to bring anything or is everything provided as with the "D&D Learn-to-Play?" We'll probably do the Learn-to-Play but was curious in case we wanted to take our newfound D&D skills to another game afterwards.

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  • PAX_RPGA_CoordinatorPAX_RPGA_Coordinator Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Threeve wrote: »
    ...the person behind the desk would reply, "Travel back in time to Friday and sign up then."

    I don't mean to start the thread off on a negative note, but I had a similar experience last year at Prime '09, and it was one of the very few negative things that I've ever run into at PAX. The staff was unhelpful to say the least, surly is a more apt description. And I was registered, just late.

    I'm sorry you had a bad experience. I admit we were flooded with interest but literally filled to the brim with sign-ups by mid-day Friday. We had two issues:
    1) we had limited space and GMs, and
    2) we had mistakenly filled half the schedule with events that walk-up players could not play.

    As a result, I myself said the following many many times. "PAX sold out, we sold out." After saying this a couple hundred times, I will admit that it may have come across harshly.

    This year we have more space and every event is playable by anyone who walks up.

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  • MatevMatev Cero Miedo Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Dude, DM challenge sounds like it could be win, totally going to sign up for that bad boy....

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  • Aidan_Aidan_ Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Okay, I've only played some LFR games and the first season of D&D Encounters, so I'm not too sure on the etiquette regarding bringing your own characters. When it says "Characters are provided", does that mean only the pregens will be allowed, or that they are just an option and we can bring our own LFR-legal characters?

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  • SolelronSolelron Wandering Gamer Cornelius, ORRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    more then likely will depend on the event. Since DS and Gamma are both new, they are prolly going with PreGen Only. the DM challenge they are creating characters to challenge you..

    RPGA should be RPGA :)

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  • PAX_RPGA_CoordinatorPAX_RPGA_Coordinator Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Threeve wrote: »
    If you plan to play in any of these events, I would suggest signing up early Friday as the spots tend to fill up quickly. Hanging out in the D&D room I heard several people walk in and ask, "What do I have to do to play?" to which the person behind the desk would reply, "Travel back in time to Friday and sign up then."

    We have more space, more GMs, and more events that walk-up folks can play this year. So it will be much easier to get into events throughout the weekend.

    Two events, in particular, the D&D Convention Delve (1 hour long, on-demand), Dark Sun Arenas (2 hours, running at 11am, 1, 3, 5, 7, and 9pm) are running constantly from 11am-11pm. (Last Delve starts at 10pm, Last Arena at 9pm). And if you want a D&D-like boardgame experience, the new Ravenloft Boardgame will be running repeatedly as well.

    The Convention Delve is a 1 hour event with all materials provided. Just walk-up and play.

    The Dark Sun Arena allows you to create a first level PC on-site. (We will have PC creation stations and folks to help you out on-site).

    The Ravenloft boardgame has everything ready to play for a table of players.

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  • PAX_RPGA_CoordinatorPAX_RPGA_Coordinator Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    macbitt wrote: »
    Very nice, thanks. For the "New and Experienced D&D Players" level games does one need to bring anything or is everything provided as with the "D&D Learn-to-Play?" We'll probably do the Learn-to-Play but was curious in case we wanted to take our newfound D&D skills to another game afterwards.

    I've put together an ideas of what you need to play any of the events we have listed.

    Experience Level: Brand-New to D&D
    D&D Learn-to-Play
    Requirements: Bring yourself, we'll provide everything you need.
    Nice to have: Pen, pencil, some scrap paper.
    Experience Level: New and Experienced D&D Players
    D&D Convention Delve: Lair of the Dread Witch
    Requirements: Bring yourself, we'll provide everything you need.
    Nice to have: Pen, pencil, some scrap paper.

    D&D Living Forgotten Realms: Return to Ravens Bluff
    Requirements: You need a first level PC created using the RPGA character creation guidelines. This can be done on-site in about 20 minutes at a PC creation station.
    Nice to have: Dice, D&D4E Players Handbook, pen, pencil, scrap paper.

    D&D Gamma World: Pax Extraterrestria
    Requirements: Bring yourself.
    Nice to have: Pen, pencil, dice, some scrap paper.
    Experience Level: Some D&D Experience Recommended
    D&D Classics: Curse of the Gray Hag
    Requirements: Bring yourself.
    Nice to have: Dice, D&D4E Players Handbook, pen, pencil, some scrap paper.

    D&D Dark Sun Arenas: Glory and Blood
    Requirements: You need a first level PC created using the Dark Sun Arena PC creation guidelines. This can be done on-site in about 20 minutes at a PC creation station.
    Nice to have: Dice, pen, pencil, scrap paper.

    D&D DM Challenge: Dungeon of Horrors
    DM Challenge Contestant Requirements: Create a 3-4 encounter event for 4-6 9th level PCs (full details forthcoming). Bring all related books and rules needed to run that event. Dice to roll for your monsters, traps, and NPCs. Maps or tiles, markers or minis for creatures.
    Player Requirements: Bring yourself.
    Player Nice to have: Dice, D&D4E Players Handbook, pen, pencil, some scrap paper.

    Other Events
    Three-Dragon Ante Tournament
    Requirements: Bring yourself.

    Castle Ravenloft Board Game Challenge
    Requirements: Bring yourself.

    Creating PCs -- We will have PC Creation stations on-site. Creating a PC for Living Forgotten Realms or Dark Sun Arenas can take anywhere from 5-30 minutes (figure about 20 minutes on average), depending on your experience with D&D4E.

    Dice -- If at all possible, you should have a set of D20, D12, D8, D6, and D4 dice for anything but Learn to Play D&D and the D&D Convention Delve: Lair of the Dread Witch. An extra D6 and D8 are good to have.

    Do I need a D&D 4E Player's Handbook? -- It is highly recommended to have a Player's Handbook for D&D Living Forgotten Realms: Return to Ravens Bluff, D&D Classics: Curse of the Gray Hag, or to be player in the D&D DM Challenge: Dungeon of Horrors.

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  • PAX_RPGA_CoordinatorPAX_RPGA_Coordinator Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Solelron wrote: »
    more then likely will depend on the event. Since DS and Gamma are both new, they are prolly going with PreGen Only. the DM challenge they are creating characters to challenge you..

    RPGA should be RPGA :)

    I highly recommend pre-registering for Gamma World tables. I have only so many judges to run those events, and only so many sets of the rules.

    I'm not sure how Dark Sun Arenas will be. We are running it at 11am, 1pm, 3pm, 5pm, 7pm, and 9pm Fri & Sat, and 11am, 1pm on Sunday. Only some of those slots are available for on-line sign-up.

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  • ginsusamuraiginsusamurai Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    This is the thread I have been waiting for. Huzzah!

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  • macbittmacbitt Atlanta, GARegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I've put together an ideas of what you need to play any of the events we have listed.

    Great details. Thank you for the excellent answer/reply.

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  • agentmobiusagentmobius Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Gamma World, eh? Might have to get in on this. :)

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  • contrefaitcontrefait Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    ooo.. looks like fun.

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  • MyDcmbrMyDcmbr PEWPEWPEW!!! America's WangRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Hmmmmmmm......

    To D&D or not to D&D at PAX, that is the question.

    I must, playing in an LFR with a bunch of random people could be very interesting, or very frustrating.

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  • shilohwaltzshilohwaltz Registered User new member
    edited August 2010
    This is the thread I have been waiting for. Huzzah!

    Agreed! I just hope I haven't signed up for too many tableteop sessionso_O

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  • Lynx_Lynx_ Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Thanks much for this. I've wanted to get into tabletop for a really long time, so when I know my Enforcer schedule, I'll try to sign up for one of the newbie sessions. I really appreciate the advance notice!

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  • davtwodavtwo Registered User new member
    edited August 2010
    I'm coming up with a group of people, and the 4 of us want to end up as part of the same team for the Delves that we've signed up for. Is there a way to specify us as a coherent group?

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  • PAX_RPGA_CoordinatorPAX_RPGA_Coordinator Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    davtwo wrote: »
    I'm coming up with a group of people, and the 4 of us want to end up as part of the same team for the Delves that we've signed up for. Is there a way to specify us as a coherent group?

    If you show up with a group of four, you've made it easier for us. We'll seat you together. We'll probably add 1-2 to your group, though.

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  • FrontTowardEnMEFrontTowardEnME Registered User new member
    edited August 2010
    Wondering exactly HOW important it will be to pre-register, and how quickly it's filling up if it is. Enforcing this year and don't have our shifts yet, sooo... could prove problematic. There's actually 3 of us considering the "Learn-2-Play" since one of us has never played, one played way, WAY back when, and it's been quite a while for myself. Should we pick one at random and hope against hope it's not during a shift?

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  • psychopezpsychopez Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Not sure if this is the best place to put it, but worst case a mod can burn my account to the ground.

    I plan on running a few non-RPGA games for a few buds of mine. Is there going to be spaces somewhere to do this, and that has 'lfg' or 'want to learn even if it's from non-WotC folk?'

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  • PAX_RPGA_CoordinatorPAX_RPGA_Coordinator Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Wondering exactly HOW important it will be to pre-register, and how quickly it's filling up if it is. Enforcing this year and don't have our shifts yet, sooo... could prove problematic. There's actually 3 of us considering the "Learn-2-Play" since one of us has never played, one played way, WAY back when, and it's been quite a while for myself. Should we pick one at random and hope against hope it's not during a shift?

    You Enforcers have been great to us every year. If you have your schedule before Mon Aug 30th, I can get you squared away.

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  • PAX_RPGA_CoordinatorPAX_RPGA_Coordinator Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    psychopez wrote: »
    Not sure if this is the best place to put it, but worst case a mod can burn my account to the ground.

    I plan on running a few non-RPGA games for a few buds of mine. Is there going to be spaces somewhere to do this, and that has 'lfg' or 'want to learn even if it's from non-WotC folk?'

    There has been a open gaming area each year. I'm sure you can find a spot.

    If there's space in my area, you are welcome to play D&D (any edition) there.

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  • NopeNope Frankfort, KYRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Wondering exactly HOW important it will be to pre-register, and how quickly it's filling up if it is. Enforcing this year and don't have our shifts yet, sooo... could prove problematic. There's actually 3 of us considering the "Learn-2-Play" since one of us has never played, one played way, WAY back when, and it's been quite a while for myself. Should we pick one at random and hope against hope it's not during a shift?

    If possible you mind if I join you all. I am a Boston Enforcer taking this one off but it'd sure be nice to sit with other people who might be as clueless as me.

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  • PAX_RPGA_CoordinatorPAX_RPGA_Coordinator Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Looks like I could use a few more hands to help out at PAX. If you or someone you know is willing to judge D&D4E at PAX I have the following goodies available --

    * Free Shirts
    * Free Wizards of the Coast Game product
    * Exclusive convention-only stuff
    * Free 3-Day Badge (12+ hours of judging)

    All you need to judge is 2-hours to help out.

    Email me at comixguru (at) yahoo (dot) com for more details.

    -Robert

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  • MyDcmbrMyDcmbr PEWPEWPEW!!! America's WangRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Emailed. :mrgreen:

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  • karmacappakarmacappa Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Looks like I could use a few more hands to help out at PAX.

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  • macbittmacbitt Atlanta, GARegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    The top post here and the Playing D&D at PAX Prime 2010 site show the Learn to Play D&D as being 4 hours long, but the sign up site itself shows them as 2 hours long. Which is correct?

    If they are 4 hours long would it be frowned upon if we didn't stay for the full duration?

    Thanks.

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  • PhoenixInfernoPhoenixInferno Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    macbitt wrote: »
    The top post here and the Playing D&D at PAX Prime 2010 site show the Learn to Play D&D as being 4 hours long, but the sign up site itself shows them as 2 hours long. Which is correct?

    If they are 4 hours long would it be frowned upon if we didn't stay for the full duration?

    Thanks.
    I believe the Playing D&D @ PAX Prime 2010 site is correct. It's might be a limitation in the current Warhorn software that doesn't allow you to have overlapping slots at the same event.

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  • ZecroZecro Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I was looking to be a DM at the Dungeon of Horrors challenge, but the pre-reg is over (my bad, l2pax, shit sells out, etc etc). In addition, I have to leave to 10pm or find a ride to Kirkland in order to participate, so this is not a for-sure thing.

    Since I'd still like to do it, I have two questions:

    If we're signing on to be a DM (not as a player) will there be potentially any problems doing so on Friday? I don't want to make a dungeon and then not be able to run it.

    Does anyone want to give me a ride to Kirkland after it's over? Buses only run so long :P (I guess I should post in "looking for a ride" thread).

    Also, bump from page 3.

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  • Black Flame ZealotBlack Flame Zealot D&D Program Manager Renton, WARegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    If you're looking to DM in the DM Challenge, you should be able to contact Robert at comixguru-at-yahoo.com to still get yourself registered to run.

    For the DM Challenge, we'll try to seat each DM with at least 4 players, so that all DMs get to run their event. Because of the crazy nature of walk-ins and such, it is possible we could end up with an overage of DMs or players, but we will do what we can to get each player seated and each DM's game fired off.

    As a DM, we can't guarantee with absolute certainty that you'll be able to run your dungeon, but if you do register to participate and have done the work, you'll at least get a participation prize just like the other DMs.

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  • bogmadbogmad Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    So with registration closed and my not getting to Seattle until Friday it's going to be pretty difficult or impossible to get a slot for any of the learn to play or new and experienced play sessions Saturday morning; is that a fair guess?
    This'll be my first PAX and perhaps what was looking forward to the most was playing some D&D for the first (or second) time.
    I'll be stopping by asap Friday to check in anyway I guess.

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  • ArdeArde Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Is there still a slot open for a total newbie (moi) and and an intermediate/advanced player (my friend) to join in?

    Sorry for the late email.... :/

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  • basicallygeekbasicallygeek Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I looked at the sign up site today to remind myself what I signed up for (LOL). Almost nothing is full. That doesn't mean it will be easy to get spots, but at least there's hope:)

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  • MatevMatev Cero Miedo Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    So excited to run in the DM's challenge this Saturday. Hopefully, my dungeon isn't too easy or too hard....story is solid, bt the mechanics may need a little more jiggering....

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