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Playstation 3 B/C issues fixed! (Almost)

VG-RobotVG-Robot Registered User regular
edited January 2007 in Games and Technology
Update 1.50 is upon us, and the internets are abuzz through all their various tubes about Sony listening to their fans, and responding quickly with a fix for all those PS2 games that had the strange 'pixel-flipping' issue. Most noteably, Metal Gear Solid 2, Okami, and Final Fantasy XII.

With little fanfare, the update is released, and all the happy little PS3 owners awoke to find their favorite games looking just as good as they did when they played them on their quaint little PS2's.

Fanboys residing in their caves, or "gamefaqs forums", scream and writhe in the pain and horror of finding out that all the kotaku reports in the world can't stop Sony from releasing the patch will put an end to about a quarter of their bitching and whining. In a year, their yelling and complaining will seem foolish and old hat, like the people who were scared of the seducing gyrations of Elvis Presley.

Things are looking clear in the eyes of Amatseratsu, and the mildly disturbing plastered abdominal muscles of Vaan are viewable in all their glory.

I can't wait to see what they do in March.

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  • LegacyLegacy Stuck Somewhere In Cyberspace The Grid(Seattle)Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2007
    Did they fix Guitar Hero yet?

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  • Recoil42Recoil42 Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    We need more OPs that read like Shakespearean dramas.

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  • elkataselkatas Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Recoil42 wrote:
    We need more OPs that read like Shakespearean dramas.

    Yeah. Drama Queens for teh win.

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  • GertBeefGertBeef Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Recoil42 wrote:
    We need more OPs that read like Shakespearean dramas.

    In the shell of a fanboy rant.

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  • CymoroCymoro Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    VG-Robot wrote:
    Update 1.50 is upon us, and the internets are abuzz through all their various tubes about Sony listening to their fans, and responding quickly with a fix for all those PS2 games that had the strange 'pixel-flipping' issue. Most not-REMOTE LINKING FORBIDDEN PLEASE UPGRADE YOUR ACCOUNT

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  • Recoil42Recoil42 Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Cymoro wrote:
    VG-Robot wrote:
    Update 1.50 is upon us, and the internets are abuzz through all their various tubes about Sony listening to their fans, and responding quickly with a fix for all those PS2 games that had the strange 'pixel-flipping' issue. Most not-REMOTE LINKING FORBIDDEN PLEASE UPGRADE YOUR ACCOUNT
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  • VG-RobotVG-Robot Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    How do you know that image of remote linking isn't actually my REAL avatar, and I am just an ironic bastard?

    Also, how can I be having a fanboy rant if all I am ranting about are fanboys who whimper and troll consistantly on the pondscum known as the gamefaqs forums?

    Lastly, I am simply referring to Sony in positive, hyperbolic terms to bring some ying to the yang of the over the top anti-Sony fanboy rants. Calling them an evil corporation, and that they built Hitlers car, and other similar lines of argument.

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  • countvaselinecountvaseline Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Sony from releasing the patch will put an end to about a quarter of their bitching and whining

    A quarter sounds a lot but when you look at this way: 3/4 of bitching is still remaining

    Till sony manage to get 100% BC (and that isn't going to happen as some PS2s aren't even 100% compatible with PS2 games) you'll always get bitching.

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  • VG-RobotVG-Robot Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Sony from releasing the patch will put an end to about a quarter of their bitching and whining

    A quarter sounds a lot but when you look at this way: 3/4 of bitching is still remaining

    Till sony manage to get 100% BC (and that isn't going to happen as some PS2s aren't even 100% compatible with PS2 games) you'll always get bitching.


    Uh...So far, I haven't seen or heard of any PS2 or PS1 games which flat out DO NOT WORK. Some have a couple graphical or sound glitches, but otherwise everything seems groovy.

    I should also mention, the PS3 plays Tomba, which is bloody awesome.

    What PS2 game does not work, out of curiosity? Keep in mind, Guitar Hero WORKS just fine, but there is no place to hook the controller. YET. Nyko had something at CES.

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  • Dodge AspenDodge Aspen Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Since I never owned a PS2, having Okami now play on the PS3 gives me another reason to want that giant black piece of machinery.

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  • UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    VG-Robot wrote:
    Also, how can I be having a fanboy rant if all I am ranting about are fanboys who whimper and troll consistantly on the pondscum known as the gamefaqs forums?

    I would think it would be the
    VG-Robot wrote:
    referring to Sony in positive, hyperbolic terms

    that is the hallmark of the fanboy. Why would anyone feel the need to do so if they weren't biased? Are you claiming to be unbiased and objective of the whole matter?

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  • PatboyXPatboyX Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Recoil42 wrote:
    We need more OPs that read like Shakespearean dramas.

    more like marlowe, m i rite?!?

    actually, that 3rd paragraph i began to read in the cadence of john hodgman's reading of his book. terrific.

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  • DirtyDirty Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    VG-Robot wrote:
    Also, how can I be having a fanboy rant if all I am ranting about are fanboys who whimper and troll consistantly on the pondscum known as the gamefaqs forums?

    I would think it would be the
    VG-Robot wrote:
    referring to Sony in positive, hyperbolic terms

    that is the hallmark of the fanboy. Why would anyone feel the need to do so if they weren't biased? Are you claiming to be unbiased and objective of the whole matter?

    Yeah, even if you are unbiased, you still need to slip in a "LOL 599!" somewhere. Even saying something along the lines of, "The PS3 is pretty shitty, but its not that shitty," makes you come across as a Sony "Fanboi" in this day and age.

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  • Gaming-ModuleGaming-Module Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    When are they going to release a patch for the price? Oh, and they really need a fix for the various leaks in the system's exclusive reactors. :lol:

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  • Smacky The FrogSmacky The Frog Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I'm pretty excited about this. If the Nyko USB converter works then all is well for me to get rid of my PS2.

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  • Descendant XDescendant X Skyrim is my god now. Outpost 31Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Sony olol?

    Is this the right thread for that? Because I always wanted to say it.

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  • UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Dirty wrote:
    VG-Robot wrote:
    Also, how can I be having a fanboy rant if all I am ranting about are fanboys who whimper and troll consistantly on the pondscum known as the gamefaqs forums?

    I would think it would be the
    VG-Robot wrote:
    referring to Sony in positive, hyperbolic terms

    that is the hallmark of the fanboy. Why would anyone feel the need to do so if they weren't biased? Are you claiming to be unbiased and objective of the whole matter?

    Yeah, even if you are unbiased, you still need to slip in a "LOL 599!" somewhere. Even saying something along the lines of, "The PS3 is pretty shitty, but its not that shitty," makes you come across as a Sony "Fanboi" in this day and age.
    I think a relatively unbiased person could say that. I also think that the majority of relatively unbiased people would say "hmm, all things considered, this does kinda suck." I don't think it makes me a fanboy to say that, since all it takes are statistics...statistics I don't have yet, though. :P

    Actually, I think a truly unbiased person would say "buncha petty nerds, who cares."

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  • NickTheNewbieNickTheNewbie Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    What was the "pixel-flipping" issue?

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  • JLM-AWPJLM-AWP Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Sony olol?

    Is this the right thread for that? Because I always wanted to say it.

    Welcome home, buddy.

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  • DashuiDashui Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    What was the "pixel-flipping" issue?

    I think the whole issue was some games looked a little pixelated (only a few, really; I've been playing Beyond Good & Evil and didn't notice this issue at all). It wasn't enough to stop you from playing or even noticing it that much in motion, but it was there. I could only notice it in Okami when I was motionless and about a foot from the screen. But I'm glad this patch is out and Sony is actually listening to some complaints for once. I'll have to grab it later today.

    Anyways, thread degeneration into the normal rabble rabble and Sony hate - COMMENCE!

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    This is good news. I want to know how the hell the problem got past whoever was checking certain games to make sure it worked.

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  • GannocGannoc Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I know some people blew this issue off, but I had actually purchased a PS3 earlier than I would have otherwise, because of the recent PS2 titles that I wanted to play, especially FF12. My PS3 is currently acting as a PS2 with wireless controllers, HD save game storage, and interesting media capabilities.

    Any PS2 game without progressive scan support looked like garbage, and it was a very big deal to me.

    My guess was that the fix was very easy, but Sony did not want to acknowledge it to avoid the issue hitting the mainstream press. When you think about all the bad publicity the PS3 has already gotten, a report of the PS3 not playing PS2 games well would be disastrous.

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  • bongibongi regular
    edited January 2007
    Dashui wrote:
    What was the "pixel-flipping" issue?

    I think the whole issue was some games looked a little pixelated (only a few, really; I've been playing Beyond Good & Evil and didn't notice this issue at all). It wasn't enough to stop you from playing or even noticing it that much in motion, but it was there. I could only notice it in Okami when I was motionless and about a foot from the screen. But I'm glad this patch is out and Sony is actually listening to some complaints for once. I'll have to grab it later today.

    Anyways, thread degeneration into the normal rabble rabble and Sony hate - COMMENCE!
    i thought it was only particular games that had it, and when they did it turned the games into a horrific pixelated mess?

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  • DashuiDashui Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Gannoc wrote:
    I know some people blew this issue off, but I had actually purchased a PS3 earlier than I would have otherwise, because of the recent PS2 titles that I wanted to play, especially FF12. My PS3 is currently acting as a PS2 with wireless controllers, HD save game storage, and interesting media capabilities.

    Any PS2 game without progressive scan support looked like garbage, and it was a very big deal to me.

    My guess was that the fix was very easy, but Sony did not want to acknowledge it to avoid the issue hitting the mainstream press. When you think about all the bad publicity the PS3 has already gotten, a report of the PS3 not playing PS2 games well would be disastrous.

    Which games looked like garbage? I only have a few of them here on campus; Okami, Beyond Good & Evil, Metal Gear Solid 3, Budokai Tenkaichi 2, and Valkyrie Profile 2); and most of them looked fine. I think the worst offender was Budokai Tenkaichi 2, but I couldn't notice the pixelation when it was in motion or if I was further from the screen. Beyond Good & Evil and Valkyrie Profile 2 had no problems. It just doesn't seem as bad as it was being made out to be, for me.

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  • bongibongi regular
    edited January 2007
    what's the latest on the scaling issues with 720p? any fix for that in sight?

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  • garathkanegarathkane Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    excellent news.. for me, FFXII was the biggest offender. It was annoying enough that I opted to hook my ps2 up in my room just to play ffxii.

    Time to copy those saves back and enjoy FFXII in all its big screen/wireless controller glory.

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  • MonkeydryeMonkeydrye Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    This gives me great hopes about Sony's future patching. Like the PSP, they seem to want to keep adding features and fixing issues (please no responses about how the PSP patches also kept you from runing homebrew).

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  • jimenexjimenex Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    bongi wrote:
    what's the latest on the scaling issues with 720p? any fix for that in sight?

    not yet, but as soon as they fix those I'm getting mine...now on to finish my backlog before nextgen hits me.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Well, good! This is certainly pretty positive news, and at least indicates that Sony's listening to problems and is trying to fix them.

    It is a bit worrying as far as the implications for a firmware fix for the 1080i problem... I'm sure Sony's heard even MORE about that than the PS2 looking like crap problem, but there's no hint of a fix yet. Yet Sony wasted no time in fixing the latter problem.

    It's starting to sound like there is no easy fix for the 1080i issue.

    But at least Sony is doing what they can.

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  • brynstarbrynstar Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    This is exciting. I use HDMI with my PS3, which makes (well, made I guess) this issue more pronounced. I must download this patch immediately!

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  • UberEvUberEv Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Just updated and tried it out. Disgaea looks much better. It really cleaned up the picture. (Especially on smaller text).

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  • BigDesBigDes Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Monkeydrye wrote:
    This gives me great hopes about Sony's future patching. Like the PSP, they seem to want to keep adding features and fixing issues (please no responses about how the PSP patches also kept you from runing homebrew).
    Well, to be fair the reason for Sony's prompt patching of the PSP was pretty much exclusively because of their attempts to stop homebrew.

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  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    BigDes wrote:
    Monkeydrye wrote:
    This gives me great hopes about Sony's future patching. Like the PSP, they seem to want to keep adding features and fixing issues (please no responses about how the PSP patches also kept you from runing homebrew).
    Well, to be fair the reason for Sony's prompt patching of the PSP was pretty much exclusively because of their attempts to stop homebrew.

    I always figured it was to stop piracy, and homebrew was just an innocent bystander.
    By which I mean, people kept finding ways to promote piracy on the system, and Sony kept patching these flaws. Unless Sony actually went against legal homebrew projects specifically?

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  • ArchaenArchaen Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    bongi wrote:
    i thought it was only particular games that had it, and when they did it turned the games into a horrific pixelated mess?

    Nope, it was actually all 480i games when de-interlaced to 480p for output over HDMI (or component if that's your gig). If you played over composite the 480i games looked fine, for the most part. I tested several of my games to find out what the problem was, and resident evil 4 was the tell-tale game. It had pixel flipping at 480i, but when I booted it up in 480p it looked beautiful.

    I'm going to check this tonight when I get home, but if they truly fixed the de-interlacing that will be awesome. Most HDTVs (particularly rear projection) have gaming lag on 480i without "game mode" on, where "game mode" is code for "make games look like ass but play right". If you play the same game with a 480p source the lag goes away, and all the TV's filters can be applied (which on some TV's is quite a robust and capable array. My SXRD can do amazing things to xbox games.)

    End result, if this is true I can soon play all my old 480i games in glorious 480p on my TV. All I need is 2 controller adapters for guitar hero and i can throw away my PS2 entirely. Woo!

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  • jwalkjwalk Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I believe the problem was with stretching non-wide screen games out to wide screen, it just did a horrible job of the scaling, creating bad aliasing on curved or diagonal edges.

    If this is true, seems like they should release 1.5 in NA pretty quick.

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  • BigDesBigDes Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Kyougu wrote:
    BigDes wrote:
    Monkeydrye wrote:
    This gives me great hopes about Sony's future patching. Like the PSP, they seem to want to keep adding features and fixing issues (please no responses about how the PSP patches also kept you from runing homebrew).
    Well, to be fair the reason for Sony's prompt patching of the PSP was pretty much exclusively because of their attempts to stop homebrew.

    I always figured it was to stop piracy, and homebrew was just an innocent bystander.
    By which I mean, people kept finding ways to promote piracy on the system, and Sony kept patching these flaws. Unless Sony actually went against legal homebrew projects specifically?
    Sorry, i meant 'homebrew' rather than just homebrew.

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  • ArchaenArchaen Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    jwalk wrote:
    I believe the problem was with stretching non-wide screen games out to wide screen, it just did a horrible job of the scaling, creating bad aliasing on curved or diagonal edges.

    If this is true, seems like they should release 1.5 in NA pretty quick.

    Nah, I run 4:3 content in 4:3 with black bars on the side. Resident Evil 4 and Tekken 5 both had the same problem whether run in 16:9 or 4:3 (both games have options for screen output and interlaced/progressive). If you set either game to interlaced on either screen format it would give you the dreaded pixel flipping rows, the moment you change the games to 480p the pixel flipping goes away. The problem was due to the PS3's HDMI being unable to output 480i, so the system had to de-interlace the content (and did it very poorly, actually horizontally flipping the pixels in rows at regular intervals).

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  • NightslyrNightslyr Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    This is interesting. Maybe now my copy of NHL 2K7 won't look like shit most of the time in 1080i.

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  • jwalkjwalk Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Er, so is 1.5 out in the US also? I'm not at home to check....

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  • VG-RobotVG-Robot Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Yup. It sho is out.

    Also, my opening post was obviously not completely serious, so I am called a fanboy. My god man.

    Anyway. I am totally happy with my PS3 in all aspects. It isn't my fault the people who don't own the system have unrealistic expectations. If they actually tried the system (not the demo units) out, like most folk who actually spend time with it, they will change their tune. Not everyone, of course. Some people are just pathetically stubborn.

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