The Art of War: Recognize your enemy, paint your target, thin his life span

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  • FroThulhuFroThulhu Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Slapnuts wrote: »
    altmann wrote: »
    yeah slap, but paint them in ONE WEEK


    ONE!!!

    I am insane.

    If y'all wanna speed paint some Orks...

    Is it just me, or is it more difficult to speedpaint 40K models than Fantasy? I've been trying to assembly-line my Gaunts, and it's not working out; I'm really not pleased with the outcome. But I also hate having an unpainted army.

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  • altmannaltmann Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    My guardsmen are easy as fuck. The key is getting the paint selection right. You want to stick with foundations so you only have to do one coat every time. Then I wash that shit and voila, GUARDSMAN!

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  • SlapnutsSlapnuts Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    altmann wrote: »
    My guardsmen are easy as fuck. The key is getting the paint selection right. You want to stick with foundations so you only have to do one coat every time. Then I wash that shit and voila, GUARDSMAN!

    Same with Orks.

    Foundation base, a little drybrushing, wash it up and you're done. Still takes me 45 mins to an hour to do one Boy, though...

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  • FroThulhuFroThulhu Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Well, I'm looking for a similar effect to Asher's bugs, as I'm working on Tyranids as well. Unfortunately, I've managed to work myself into a problematic color scheme. I keep trying to find a way to simplify the process, so I can get around 700pts of Tyranid troops at least not-ugly.

    Add to that the fact that I think I may have stumbled onto about 500pts of my old 'nid army, that was a completely different scheme- midnight blue, with one or two other very dark colors. This look ended up being pretty nice, if a little basic and lax on details.

    However, upon second inspection, the Citadel Spraygun isn't as bad as I thought it was; I think it's just very, very dependent on the ambient conditions in your work area. So, if I can get my spray mixture right (first try was a mixture of skull white and green wash, that ended up as some sort of creamy mint color), I might have a safe out.

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  • 28682868 Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Started working on a conversion:

    Wolf Priest in Terminator Armor. The base is the AoBR Terminator Sergeant. I cut his face out and dropped in this skull I found in my bits, who knows where it is from.
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    The skull looks more menacing skull-like in real life. For some reason it looks very dia-de-los-muertos-mustachioed- mariachi chaplain in the photos. Also the green stuff has been sculpted away from his chin since this photo was taken.

    The crozius I made from a thunder hammer, and the two wings from the terminator honors things that come with space wolf terminators:
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    I'm on the second greenstuff phase now. Filling in the gap on the crozius and trying to make it mirror the other side a lil better.

    Paint scheme will be chaplain black and gold, with space wolf yellow hands and storm bolter with red shoulder pads.

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  • Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    altmann wrote: »
    My guardsmen are easy as fuck. The key is getting the paint selection right. You want to stick with foundations so you only have to do one coat every time. Then I wash that shit and voila, GUARDSMAN!

    Real men paint their guard in complicated dot camo like this,
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    Or this,
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    Or this,
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    Until they have this,
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    But yeah, all other armies? Fuck them, I find the easiest way possible.


    *edit* Oh god that big picture is so out of date. That's pre plastic Valkyries...

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  • LokiLoki Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    That's making me want to slap together my Guard that I have and get the army going. I dig the Kasrkin squads. Awesome.

    But I want to wait and see if FW really do have cold weather Cadian conversion packs.

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  • Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    -Loki- wrote: »
    That's making me want to slap together my Guard that I have and get the army going. I dig the Kasrkin squads. Awesome.

    But I want to wait and see if FW really do have cold weather Cadian conversion packs.

    Yeah I should actually take that Kasrkin picture again now that all those squads have Valkyries assigned to them.


    I kinda don't want FW to make Cadian cold weather gear. Because I would buy a fuck ton of them and:

    A)I have enough fucking guard.
    B)I have no where to put more guard.
    C)I don't want to spend the money.
    D)Did I mention I have enough guard?

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Ohh hey, we're posting IG pics? ;)
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    Also, I really need to take pictures soon. I painted your stormtroopers tim, and I got other stuff that needs pics as well...

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  • SlapnutsSlapnuts Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    So I got the FW Space Wolves Terminator Conversion Kit for Christmas and have been looking for something to use as part of the staff for a Rune Priest in Terminator armor (I'm going to use the top of one of the thunder hammers as, well, the top.). Anyone have any good ideas? I spent probably 40 mins at the LGS just looking at Fantasy and 40k boxes for staves and nothing caught my eye. The only thing that came even remotely close was the Space Marine Tech Priest. Some Skeleton and High Elf Warriors came a distant second.

    PS - I came about {} this close to buying Yarrick before I realized I still have a fucking Ork army to paint before I even begin to think about an IG army. His model is so goddam awesome, though.

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  • 28682868 Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Buy the box of black orcs, use them as nobs, then take one of the banner poles and trim the hand away. It is the best staff like thing i've seen. Also you get two banner poles, so you'll be able to waaagh banner. Plus you get 10 nobs for the price of 5.

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  • altmannaltmann Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Hmm, not sure about the staff. I'd use something like a grey knight force weapon. He has a runic blade pretty much...

    I fielded my loganwing list today. It was highly effective. It's a very versatile list that will only take me a fuckton of time to build and paint. Alas, I am mid my guard army and will not stop that until it is done. Oh well.

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  • 28682868 Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Did you bring heavy support?

    Built a drop pod, 5 terminators, and converted a wolf priest in term armor today for my logan wing. Two terminators and a drop pod to go...

    I'll post the list once I test play it. Taking it to a 2k tourney on the 29th.

    Wow wrong thread...

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  • FroThulhuFroThulhu Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Ok, I am here to tell you this: Asher's method of painting Tyranid shells is The Way To Be.

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  • LokiLoki Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I still don't like the feathering technique. But that's mainly because my painting style is different - I like clean lines.

    Not diminishing Ashers Nids at all though - they look fantastic.

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  • FroThulhuFroThulhu Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    -Loki- wrote: »
    I still don't like the feathering technique. But that's mainly because my painting style is different - I like clean lines.

    Not diminishing Ashers Nids at all though - they look fantastic.

    I dig clean lines too, compadre. Actually, somebody posted a fantastic piece of advice around here, that may help with my highlighting in the future.

    But the feathering seems to work pretty great for Tyranids.

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  • DayspringDayspring the Phoenician Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Tim wrote:
    But yeah, all other armies? Fuck them, I find the easiest way possible.
    Didn't you pick your Dark Angel company specifically because it had chequered patterns all over it?
    Slapnuts wrote: »
    So I got the FW Space Wolves Terminator Conversion Kit for Christmas and have been looking for something to use as part of the staff for a Rune Priest in Terminator armor (I'm going to use the top of one of the thunder hammers as, well, the top.). Anyone have any good ideas?
    How about this guy?
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  • Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Dayspring wrote: »
    Tim wrote:
    But yeah, all other armies? Fuck them, I find the easiest way possible.
    Didn't you pick your Dark Angel company specifically because it had chequered patterns all over it?
    Every single marine has at least three decals on them as well, all melted into the plastic so that that's form to the curves and all sealed between layers of gloss paint.

    That's one of the reasons I now find the easiest way possible.

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  • SlapnutsSlapnuts Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Dayspring wrote: »
    Tim wrote:
    But yeah, all other armies? Fuck them, I find the easiest way possible.
    Didn't you pick your Dark Angel company specifically because it had chequered patterns all over it?
    Slapnuts wrote: »
    So I got the FW Space Wolves Terminator Conversion Kit for Christmas and have been looking for something to use as part of the staff for a Rune Priest in Terminator armor (I'm going to use the top of one of the thunder hammers as, well, the top.). Anyone have any good ideas?
    How about this guy?

    I was thinking about that exact model, but this morning I decided to see what I could chop up and put together. I ended up mashing a Thunder Hammer and a Frost Axe. I think it looks pretty awesome.

    Oh, also, I ended up building the entire priest model.

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    Now I need a name for him.

    I also realized how terrible I am with Green Stuff.

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  • DayspringDayspring the Phoenician Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    He looks like a badass

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  • NaxNax For Sanguinius! Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Only two power weapons in that whole kit, and you cut one up?! That kinda sucks, but he looks pretty cool. Crazy Rune Priest casting powers while thunder hammering and power fisting things :P

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  • MagoMago SwedenRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Okay, this time I'm going to need some feedback. My painting spree continues, and I tried a totally new technique for my Blood Angels. Using my airbrush and no wash.

    Now, the jump packs here are made using the new technique. Some of you may recognize the assault marines, they are done using my old technique.

    To me the reds seem very similar, what do you think?

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    Other images spoilered for huge.
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    Looking at the pictures now, perhaps I should add more shading by hand since I'm not using a wash?

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  • DayspringDayspring the Phoenician Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    If you hadn't said, I wouldn't have noticed the 2 reds were different.
    They look pretty awesome.

    Is the fist meant to be just blue, or is it glowing? There are a couple of really good OSL articles that were posted in the last few days. Part 1 and part 2

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  • FroThulhuFroThulhu Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Mago, I couldn't tell the difference. But I do have a question.

    When you say 'airbrush,' do you mean a full-on airbrush, or do you mean the GW SprayGun?

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  • MagoMago SwedenRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Thanks for your comments Dayspring. The more I look at them, the more satisified I feel. I did go back and do some more shades though.

    If this technique works as well for whole marines, it will litterally cut down the painting time for the red to something like 1/4 of what it used to be.

    The fist is just meant to be blue. Matches the chainswords and I think it's kind of a good complimentary color. I will probably expriment with OLS, and weathering as well, sometime in the future. But first I want to get a decent force painted.

    FroThulhu, I mean a full on airbrush. I use it with the main red from the top angles only, so I'm not sure it would work with the GW SprayGun as I have never seen that one in action. I'm obviously inspired by Awesomepaintjobs YouTube videos, like this one.

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  • LokiLoki Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    The GW spraygun is meant to be as typically inconsistent as any GW product. Some work great, some are complete duds. They also chew through paint like nobodies business.

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  • saluksicsaluksic Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Mago they look very nice. I saw that video you posted and thought about what it would be like to paint a whole army in that method. Fast and awesome, I bet.

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  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Stepped in it Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I figured that I should show off my spiffy 60mm bases from Secret Weapon miniatures before covering them up with dreadnoughts.

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  • MorskittarMorskittar Lord Warlock Engineer SeattleRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Those bases are awesome! I really like how they look appropriately weathered.

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  • LokiLoki Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Been a while since I showed anything, here's my WIP Carnifex.

    The purple skin is done, and I've started working on the chitin plates. It was a bitch and a half getting an even, smooth bone for those big plates. The spines haven't been finished, and the head plates were only just started as well. However, all 40k painting has been put on hold until I find a new place to live.

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  • FroThulhuFroThulhu Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    That looks pretty nice already.

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  • FroThulhuFroThulhu Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Ugh, I hate spamming.

    But, I'd like some advice.

    I would like to give one of my Tyrants a pair of boneswords. I'm thinking of converting a pair of the monstrous Rending Claws arms so that the boneswords sprout from the top of the wrists, kind of like Baraka's (MK2) armblades.

    Does this sounds completely stupid? Would that be rules-legal/kosher? Comments?

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  • SlapnutsSlapnuts Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I don't think rules-wise it's an issue. Just tell whomever you're playing against what the deal is and that it's not Chainpalm McLightning Claws.

    As you will note above, my Rune Priest has a power fist for aesthetic reasons and that's unpossible.

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  • FroThulhuFroThulhu Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Right. But I want to use these as actual boneswords. Because GW didn't feel like not being dicks the day they released Tyranids, and didn't model the option for a pair of them.

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  • Halos Nach TariffHalos Nach Tariff Can you blame me? I'm too famous.Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I use a big arm-blade style thing for my Boneswords, I just don't like the idea of nids holding swords.

    Basically anything which is clearly not a scything talon/rending claw and suitably bladed will be fine as a Bonesword. Obviously make sure your opponent knows what's what before he charges his Nobz at it but there shouldn't be any penalty for being creative like that.

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  • FroThulhuFroThulhu Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Not that I'm probably gonna be seeing any big-deal tournaments any time soon, but is it likely that one would screw me for modelling them like that?

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  • ClaymanClayman Don't be a baked potato. Be a person. Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    As a newbie painter I'm looking for the best recipes for Ork skin and I'd be delighted if you wanted to share yours.

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  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Stepped in it Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Start with a dark green, highlight up through a couple lighter shades, apply a brown wash. Lightly reapply two even lighter highlights.
    FroThulhu wrote: »
    Not that I'm probably gonna be seeing any big-deal tournaments any time soon, but is it likely that one would screw me for modelling them like that?
    There are always raging douchebags out there, but they're the only thing you have to worry about. As far as the rules address the matter, as long as whatever it is is clearly something and not something else, you're fine.

    So you'd have a problem if you have one tyrant with four boneswords, one with four scything talons, a third with two boneswords and two scything talons - all using the exact same same talons pieces to represent their weapons, but as soon as you do something that means someone glancing at the models can go, 'those are scything talons and those are something else,' you're in the clear as far as rules care.

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  • SlapnutsSlapnuts Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I use Orkhide Shade, a Devlan Mud Wash and then a Goblin Green Drybrush. Sorry for the repost:

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    All my shit is Grimdark though. Some of the other dudes on here have some nice, lighter schemes too.

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  • SlapnutsSlapnuts Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Also, sorry for the double post. But I wanted to say I now have all of the Grey Hunters I use on a regular basis painted and based.

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