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Gaming machine put together in 2006ish- Suggestions for budget upgrades/replacements?

UnderwhelmingUnderwhelming myMomIsTheJam July 13, 2013Registered User regular
Hi ho, techies. Might I get some assistance?

It's been a long time since I built my own machine. My buddy has had this budget gaming rig since around 2006. The mobo is all wonky, but everything else tests fine in other machines. It's mine now, so I'm looking for some input on replacing the mobo and maybe upgrading. I don't know a lot of tech jargon. Bits and pieces, I guess.

Here's what I'm workin' with:

Aspire ATX 500w power supply
Gigabyte GA K8N Pro SLI Motherboard
PNY Verto GeForce 6800 GS
4GB Patriot DDR

I'm not sure about the processor at the moment. He doesn't remember and I didn't check when we were troubleshooting it in my bro's shop, but it's safe to assume it's between 2 and 3 GhZ. Anyway, I could be upgrading it.

So, IF I kept everything the same, replaced the same mobo, same power supply, could I run a 2nd identical vid card? Would that be economical? Would you recommend just upgrading to a better single card?

Money is an issue here. I'd like to keep it all under $200. I don't want top of the line. I don't play Crysis, and if I did, I wouldn't care about any settings higher than lowest. I play lame stuff like Warcraft 3 and use Photoshop.

Any input/advice is welcome, thanks in advance!

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  • kleinfehnkleinfehn Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Do you know if the processor is a dual core? If it is single that will probably need to upgraded. The graphics card needs to go, it is ancient. You can pick up a ati 4850 for a bit above $100, or go with a 5770 for about $150, or a nvidia 460 for about $200. Those are the cards in which I feel are the best bang for the buck at the moment.

    If the processor is only single core, you can pick up a cheap quad core for about $100 and then a 56XX or something for about $100 or so.

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  • LittleBootsLittleBoots Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    A quick google search says that's a 939 socket bored. So the only duel core option you have is an Athlon X2 and you're running DDR400 mem.

    I would think the 5770 would probably be starved by that cpu and mem and the 460 is def out of the question.

    The 4850 may not be a bad choice. I mean, if you're only going to be running WC3 I would think it would be more than enough.

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  • tsmvengytsmvengy Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Not at all worth it to upgrade this thing. Socket 939 is now like 2 generations behind, which means that any upgrade you do will be too expensive for the minimal performance increase you'll see. Do some saving and you'll be able to get something for around $400 that will be a huge jump.

    If you want to do a piecemeal upgrade, upgrade the processor and mobo and RAM to something Socket AM3 and DDR3, OR get a new video card. But it's not at all worth it to just get a new processor.

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  • UnderwhelmingUnderwhelming myMomIsTheJam July 13, 2013 Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Seriously considering just getting a replacement mobo, exact same one, on ebay. I can upgrade by piece as time goes by. It's a free computer, mobo would cost me ~$50, and right now my girlfriend and I only have laptops.

    It would be nice to have a desktop for the first time in 4 years and I regularly played Warcraft 3, Battlefield 2142, Oblivion and Prey on this machine back in the day at lowered settings. I don't plan on putting it through anything more intense than that. Having an outdated machine doesn't really bother me as long as it serves the purpose.


    Your thoughts?

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  • ScrubletScrublet Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    My thought is that trying to carry a system this old, particularly when you're having to upgrade something as fundamental as the motherboard, is not worth it. How bad is that laptop anyways? For Warcraft III you probably won't even gain that much doing this switch. The main thing I see a problem with is your assertion that "I can upgrade by piece as time goes by." This simply isn't going to happen. The chipset of the motherboard is going to be restricted to DDR and an older CPU, so video upgrades will have a limited effect at best. You also have to worry about that power supply...if that 500W doesn't have good amperage on the 12V rails, you'll wind up fixing that as well.

    If you go ahead and try to maintain this computer, I would say go find your $50 motherboard and stop. Don't sink any other money into it, just save for the budget build in the PC thread down the line.

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  • UnderwhelmingUnderwhelming myMomIsTheJam July 13, 2013 Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    What about upgrading the mobo first instead of an identical swap, then the power supply, processor, RAM, vid card and sound down the road, piece by piece? The 939 processor and new AM2 socket are still both 939, right?

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  • LittleBootsLittleBoots Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    What about upgrading the mobo first instead of an identical swap, then the power supply, processor, RAM, vid card and sound down the road, piece by piece? The 939 processor and new AM2 socket are still both 939, right?

    I don't think so... usually (as far as I know always) a change in socket type means a completely different supported series of CPUs.


    EDIT: The hardware you have is too many generations behind to do a piece by piece upgrade. Basically, do what Scrublet said, buy what ever you need to get your system stable then save up in order to purchase a recent generation budget build.

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  • UnderwhelmingUnderwhelming myMomIsTheJam July 13, 2013 Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I don't think so... usually (as far as I know always) a change in socket type means a completely different supported series of CPUs.


    Alright then. If anyone can confirm this, I'd appreciate it.

    Otherwise, thank you to all of you for the advice! I think I'm going to replace the mobo just to have a desktop right now and save up for a better machine in the future. I mostly game on my 360 now, so I'm not worried.

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  • Brodo FagginsBrodo Faggins Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    You can get a decent core i3 or i5 for around 150, and a matching motherboard for around 100.

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  • LittleBootsLittleBoots Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    You can get a decent core i3 or i5 for around 150, and a matching motherboard for around 100.

    plus ram, plus new video card.. that's way over what he stated he wanted to spend.

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  • tsmvengytsmvengy Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I don't think so... usually (as far as I know always) a change in socket type means a completely different supported series of CPUs.


    Alright then. If anyone can confirm this, I'd appreciate it.

    Otherwise, thank you to all of you for the advice! I think I'm going to replace the mobo just to have a desktop right now and save up for a better machine in the future. I mostly game on my 360 now, so I'm not worried.

    AM2 and 939 are completely different.

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  • UnderwhelmingUnderwhelming myMomIsTheJam July 13, 2013 Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    tsmvengy wrote: »

    AM2 and 939 are completely different.


    Thank you!

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  • SmokeStacksSmokeStacks Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    If you're running an old single core Athlon 64 you'll definitely see a performance increase if you bought a dual core Athlon 64 X2. If you did that and threw in a budget videocard you'd have a decent machine (decent as in you would be bumped up a couple of years in terms of what games you could play, but still nothing too recent).

    The hard part is finding dual core Socket 939 CPUs.

    Click on your start menu, then click on Run, and type in the phrase "dxdiag" without the quotes. Give it a second and a window will pop up. Look toward the middle and you'll see some information about the components inside of your computer. It should look similar to this:
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    This is mine, let us know what yours says under Processor. If yours is Dual Core it will say X2 after the processor name (which should be Athlon, Opteron, or Sempron)

    Like these guys are saying, a piece by piece upgrade plan really won't work, since a new motherboard is going to mean a new CPU is going to need new RAM, plus you'd need to replace your old GPU. At that point you have effectively rebuilt the computer, so you might as well just build a new one instead.

    The Computer Build Thread has a budget build for around $600, but you can easily knock off a couple of hundred bucks if you reused your case (depending on whether it's proprietary or not and how good the airflow is), hard drive, optical drive, and OS. You can definitely build a machine cheaper than that as well. You (like me) have gotten to the point where just about anything you can build with off the shelf components is going to be faster than the machine you have.

    That said, if you are running a single core CPU and you upgraded to a dual core and a cheap GPU you would definitely see a performance increase, but to be honest if all you're doing is playing Warcraft 3 and using Photoshop it won't really make a difference to you. You could just track down a replacement socket 939 motherboard (good luck) and a sub-$100 videocard and use the machine the way it is.

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  • UnderwhelmingUnderwhelming myMomIsTheJam July 13, 2013 Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    The Computer Build Thread has a budget build for around $600, but you can easily knock off a couple of hundred bucks if you reused your case (depending on whether it's proprietary or not and how good the airflow is), hard drive, optical drive, and OS.

    That, sir, is an excellent idea. I might do that, but it would still be a few months.

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