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[WoW] [Chat]: Rock is Revamped, Scissors gets Scissors Power, Paper is NYI

Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
edited September 2010 in MMO Extravaganza
Beta testers are asked to test how Rock interacts with Scissors, Paper will be included in a later beta patch.



I am now doing an experiment. I want to take the trees for each of the classes and put all of the points in them to perform their PvE role at maximum potential and then see which points are available to 'play around' with (for PvP and utility)

For retribution paladins: http://www.wowtal.com/#k=7GJpo2M1.9uf.paladin 1 point of leeway (e4e provides damage against bosses who use AoE attacks [almost all of them], repentence is a form of CC [when CC seems to become a new requirement for PvE content] and rebuke is an interrupt [constantly shown to be required for dps in pve])
For protection warriors: http://www.wowtal.com/#k=IfWRWPZ.9uf.warrior 5 points of leeway


OLD INFORMATION BELOW, LOOK AT YOUR OWN PERIL!!

For retribution paladins: http://www.wowtal.com/#k=7BMXBSR1.9sm.paladin 2 Points of leeway.
For Protection warriors: http://www.wowtal.com/#k=IfWOJbi.9sm.warrior 5 points of leeway (as well as various options to choose while going up the original tree)
For Arms Warriors: http://www.wowtal.com/#k=DVuzjElr.9sm.warrior 5 points of leeway (minor options in tier 2 to choose while going up the original tree)
For Sub Rogues: http://www.wowtal.com/#k=axVAtE6c0.9sm.rogue Zero points of leeway.
For Blood DKs: http://www.wowtal.com/#k=au5Wd7J.9sm.deathknight 8 points of leeway.

I made two exceptions to the utility thing: Ret paladins getting a spell interrupt (which is very much required) and Blood DKs finishing their raid buff. Anything else, like the Arms Warrior stun, which was utility was not considered.

If anyone has more data to add to this, I'd love to hear.

Adding others:
Oghulk wrote: »
@ Munkus

For Mages:
Arcane: http://www.wowtal.com/#k=lf0Yj-s.9sm.mage 7 Remaining points + 3 since there isn't any real dps increase to get the last legs up to 31.
Fire: http://www.wowtal.com/#k=Zwl9mzwo.9sm.mage 1 Point leeway, but you have to consider there's a point where you have a bunch of utility talents to choose from and that's it (At the 13th point).
Frost: http://www.wowtal.com/#k=lqbTdKzq.9sm.mage 4 Point leeway.

E: Assassination Rogue: http://www.wowtal.com/#k=vz_DLa5_K.9sm.rogue 0 Points.
Combat Rogue: http://www.wowtal.com/#k=tbWtKqs4l.9sm.rogue 1 Point.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    This thread needs a classy start:
    paladins0gf.jpg

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  • WassermeloneWassermelone Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Paper is currently massively underpowered in Beta currently! Rock and Scissors have gotten upgrades, and Paper hasn't. Because I don't understand Beta, I can only imagine that the current state of Paper is going to be how its released! THIS IS WRONG.


    RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

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  • BobbleBobble Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    shryke wrote: »
    This thread needs a classy start:
    paladins0gf.jpg

    I remember that thread. Made me wanna go home and level my paladin :winky:


    and Fuck Paper! Paper was the dominant class for most of vanilla, half of BC, and again in LK! It's Rock's turn goddamnit.

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  • Alien QueenAlien Queen Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    My favorite add-on of all time: autodecline

    http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/auto-decline.aspx

    Gone are the days when random silly geese would spam duel invites with me, so so awesome!

    The best part is that its almost instant, so the fool who is 10 levels above me sits there wondering "wut...wait did I hit the duel button or not?? I'd better press it again just to be sure"

    I get a lot of enjoyment from this :)

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  • Seattle ThreadSeattle Thread Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    My favorite add-on of all time: autodecline

    http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/auto-decline.aspx

    Gone are the days when random silly geese would spam duel invites with me, so so awesome!

    The best part is that its almost instant, so the fool who is 10 levels above me sits there wondering "wut...wait did I hit the duel button or not?? I'd better press it again just to be sure"

    I get a lot of enjoyment from this :)
    Automaton does that, as well as a shitload of other things.

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  • RizziRizzi Sydney, Australia.Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I forgot how awesome Northrend is compared to Outland. I do miss my flying mount though. :?

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  • LewishamLewisham Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I'm properly looking forward to leveling my new Priest (or Shaman...) through the new content, then experiencing Outland when it isn't a complete desert like it was when I went there for the first time (post Lich King)

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  • Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    So if 310% mount speed is 5k gold in Cata, what's going on with the current 5k epic flying? Or is it just being bumped to 310?

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  • Beyond NormalBeyond Normal Lord Phender Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Hopefully they will make the 280% a little cheaper, like 2000g - 2500g. As cool as 310% speed is, I don't know if I even really want to buy it.

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  • OptyOpty Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    It's on top of the current 280% speed, it's a gold sink, they want it to be expensive.

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  • LockeColeLockeCole Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Opty wrote: »
    It's on top of the current 280% speed, it's a gold sink, they want it to be expensive.

    Honestly I was expecting it to be more the extra speed isn't that huge, but its nice, and makes an easy gold sink.

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  • OptyOpty Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Well it's expensive per percent increase. 5k for 150 to 280 and then another 5k for 280 to 310.

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  • notmetalenoughnotmetalenough Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    On my DK, I hate it when people try to "educate" me when I use AotD on dragon bosses. I'm not dumb, I'm trolling you.

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  • WassermeloneWassermelone Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I doubt they will make the epic flying any cheaper. 5k is really not that much anymore at 80 and the cash flow is only going to increase.

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  • DunxcoDunxco Should get a suit Never skips breakfastRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    On my DK, I hate it when people try to "educate" me when I use AotD on dragon bosses. I'm not dumb, I'm trolling you.

    Nothing pisses me off more when tanking than a lecture for someone as to when to use AotD.

    Conversely, nothing pisses me off more than seeing a DK use AoTD in a daily random. Save it for the raids or a wipe-saver, chuck. :x

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  • EmporiumEmporium Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Hopefully they will make the 280% a little cheaper, like 2000g - 2500g. As cool as 310% speed is, I don't know if I even really want to buy it.

    I think it has been implemented to be free for people who already have a 310% mount, so if you have one its not even an expense.

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  • L Ron HowardL Ron Howard The duck MinnesotaRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Emporium wrote: »
    Hopefully they will make the 280% a little cheaper, like 2000g - 2500g. As cool as 310% speed is, I don't know if I even really want to buy it.

    I think it has been implemented to be free for people who already have a 310% mount, so if you have one its not even an expense.

    No, otherwise they would have done that with Epic Flight when you get Cold Flying.
    It's going to be a money sink either way. Blizzard just hasn't figured out that the money sinks don't really do anything, as money is so easy to come by.

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  • notmetalenoughnotmetalenough Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Dunxco wrote: »
    On my DK, I hate it when people try to "educate" me when I use AotD on dragon bosses. I'm not dumb, I'm trolling you.

    Nothing pisses me off more when tanking than a lecture for someone as to when to use AotD.

    Conversely, nothing pisses me off more than seeing a DK use AoTD in a daily random. Save it for the raids or a wipe-saver, chuck. :x

    I reserve it for dragons.

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  • JoshmviiJoshmvii Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    On my DK, I hate it when people try to "educate" me when I use AotD on dragon bosses. I'm not dumb, I'm trolling you.

    This reminds me of a comic I saw where some guy says "Hey I'm a retard hurr durr," then the other guy says "Wow what a dumbass." Then the original guy is like "Haha joke's on you, I was only pretending."

    The moral of the story is, if you act like a dumbass, it's not unreasonable for people to assume that is in fact what you are. They're just trying to help you, and the only assumption they can make is that you're dumb if you do dumb things.

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  • Beyond NormalBeyond Normal Lord Phender Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    So, I had a tank tell me to "chill out" during a Ramparts run on my shaman. Silly DKs, just spam Icy Touch. :P

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  • pollofacepolloface Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    New thead eh? Just in time for:
    1281893701765.jpg

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  • Beyond NormalBeyond Normal Lord Phender Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I wonder what kind of sub he got.

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  • Alien QueenAlien Queen Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    The one with childrens souls?

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  • OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I wonder what kind of sub he got.

    Was like...wtf....

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  • Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I wonder what kind of sub he got.

    Probably a cold cut.

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  • WassermeloneWassermelone Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Emporium wrote: »
    Hopefully they will make the 280% a little cheaper, like 2000g - 2500g. As cool as 310% speed is, I don't know if I even really want to buy it.

    I think it has been implemented to be free for people who already have a 310% mount, so if you have one its not even an expense.

    No, otherwise they would have done that with Epic Flight when you get Cold Flying.
    It's going to be a money sink either way. Blizzard just hasn't figured out that the money sinks don't really do anything, as money is so easy to come by.

    Emporium had the correct answer to the wrong question.

    If you already have 310% speed mount, you don't have to pay for 310% skill.

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  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Money sinks are necessary because money is so easy to come by. You'd see early FFXI levels of inflation, where linen costs 300g a stack.

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  • Panda4YouPanda4You Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I wish you got a temporary title, <Gekgek's companion>, when doing the Razorfang questline in Scholazar

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  • Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Where is it you guys are making all this money? A few hours playing at 80 doing dailies nets you maybe 2-300 gold, but even then that's playing a few hours a day every day for several weeks to buy epic flying. That's still way too much, imo.

    5k gold may be trivial to people in guilds that have ICC on farm status, but for the rest of us, not so much.

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  • KagliciousKaglicious Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I still make a ton of gold from making flasks (even better if elixir master procs), transmuting gems and selling herbs. Use your tradeskills I suppose?

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  • LockeColeLockeCole Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Where is it you guys are making all this money? A few hours playing at 80 doing dailies nets you maybe 2-300 gold, but even then that's playing a few hours a day every day for several weeks to buy epic flying. That's still way too much, imo.

    5k gold may be trivial to people in guilds that have ICC on farm status, but for the rest of us, not so much.

    There is a group of 13-15 dailies I do that nets around 200+ gold for about 30 mins work - plus loot drops works out to be ~300 gold a day. The icecrown and argent dailies are very compact and profitable.

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  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    On my DK, I hate it when people try to "educate" me when I use AotD on dragon bosses. I'm not dumb, I'm trolling you.

    You're trying to get me killed, so of course I'll yell at you.

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  • MonstyMonsty Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    My biggest tip for making money is... don't spend it. Heh. Seriously, though. Don't buy something unless you absolutely need it, will use it for quite some time, and farming it would be slower than making the money to buy it.

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  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Where is it you guys are making all this money? A few hours playing at 80 doing dailies nets you maybe 2-300 gold, but even then that's playing a few hours a day every day for several weeks to buy epic flying. That's still way too much, imo.

    5k gold may be trivial to people in guilds that have ICC on farm status, but for the rest of us, not so much.

    Jewelcrafting is mostly where I've made my money. ;-p

    A good profession can go a long ways if your server's economy isn't out of whack. Professions tend to take some investment though, especially crafting professions.

    Edit: Particularly while leveling up does it cost you... my level 40 mage is up to 1k gold because I didn't get a crafting profession. Being able to sell leather and mining directly is a big boost short term.

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  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Buying primordial saronites (or runed/crusader orbs when they were in their prime) with badges and selling them on the AH was also a great way to make a quick buck while raiding.

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  • Beyond NormalBeyond Normal Lord Phender Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    End wrote: »
    On my DK, I hate it when people try to "educate" me when I use AotD on dragon bosses. I'm not dumb, I'm trolling you.

    You're trying to get me killed, so of course I'll yell at you.

    So, I just had a DK tank attempting to tank Ramparts. I kept pulling aggro so I suggested he use more of his abilities. The priest calls me a scrub, and to stop being an ass. Needless to say, I tanked the rest of the instance.
    Monsty wrote: »
    My biggest tip for making money is... don't spend it. Heh. Seriously, though. Don't buy something unless you absolutely need it, will use it for quite some time, and farming it would be slower than making the money to buy it.

    JCing is the real big money maker. Although it takes some time to get a lot of the good cuts it really pays off. I can sell a reckless ametrine for up to 200g on a good day and they only cost 10 badges. Cardinal Rubies, of any variety, usually sell for 150g. Stamina gems don't generally go for much on my server, but they do sell. I've noticed that green gems also don't really sell on my server, but purple sell really well.

    With enchanting I just make some simple scrolls. Like titanweeve, stamina to boots, ap/sp to wrists, and basic weapon enchants.

    Most of the other crafting professions(tailoring, BSing, LWing) can make some really good cash if you have the highest tier crafting recipes. Otherwise make leg enchants and belt buckles.

    I don't really use my inscription to make money, mostly just my own glyphs. But I have had some success selling vellums and fort scrolls.

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  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    How is inscription to level up, anyway? I just need that and tailoring to max out one of every profession on a single server

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  • PoketpixiePoketpixie Siege Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Monsty wrote: »
    My biggest tip for making money is... don't spend it.

    This right here. Don't spend it and sell what you find. You'll be swimming in gold in no time.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2010
    My biggest tip for making money is...

    Do AT dailies and take the sack.

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Inscription is easy because you can pick the cheap herbs to mill.

    Tailoring is a bit of a pain in the ass. Go through massive amounts of cloth and quite a few enchanting mats.

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