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Is 75 gigs a month enough? (cable modem bandwidth caps)
I am thinking about switching over to a cable modem as it is offering me speed levels at 2 to 3 times what Verizon is offering me.
The issue is that between 5pm and 1am the cable company monitors your download limits and caps you at 75 gigs a month. Unlimited all other times. To uncap it I would have to spend another $20 a month.
I would use it for streaming Netflix, Youtubin', Huluing, online PC gaming, and downloading some standard definition anime. I don't torrent massive BluRay movies and with Steam I am not reinstalling my entire library on a monthly basis. I'll buy a couple games every couple of months but nothing crazy.
With Netflix involved that could start to push it. I do download plenty of random stuff, but the months I watched a lot of stuff on Netflix my usage climbed fast.
I was just about to make a thread about the same thing. I just got an HTPC in the main room with netflix and everyone uses it. We have 4 roommates on one 40mb/5mb up connection.. Im sure we are pushing 250gb a month.
I was just about to make a thread about the same thing. I just got an HTPC in the main room with netflix and everyone uses it. We have 4 roommates on one 40mb/5mb up connection.. Im sure we are pushing 250gb a month.
If you have Comcast (they have a 250GB cap, that is why I am assuming) you can check here:
Click on User and Settings after logging in with your master account. Then click View details under the High Speed Data Usage. It will show you a graph of past months as well.
For OP: We are heavy Netflix streamers and I use Steam quite a bit and I am constantly around 75GB/month. If that is your totally monthly cap, you will probably get close to it.
3 mbps dsl is going to cost me about 44 dollars a month for unlimited use
Local cable company (Service Electric, and no, you haven't heard of them) offers:
5mbps at $35
7 at $40
10 at $44
This is regulated by "peak hours" 75 gig a month limit which is between 5 pm and 1 am.
Uncapping this access to unlimited is an extra 20 a month. I know no one in the area who uses them and all I can find online are a couple of complaints. No personal experience at all with them myself outside the $20 super basic cable I have, which I am just about to cancel anyway because it gets no use. Canceling cable with further increase the internet access prices by $10.
If it isn't too bad I'd probably start at the 75gb cap and then up it later if it looks like I'd have difficulty staying under it with normal use. It doesn't immediately sound like you'd be going over, but if you start streaming a lot of stuff it can go up fast.
If it isn't too bad I'd probably start at the 75gb cap and then up it later if it looks like I'd have difficulty staying under it with normal use. It doesn't immediately sound like you'd be going over, but if you start streaming a lot of stuff it can go up fast.
I think they boot you in a three strikes sort of fashion or bill you some stupid amount per gig over the limit. I should go ask them that.
I live in a rural area and pay more than my electric bill for what is supposedly 512kbs DSL with a 18Gb limit. It is incapable of streaming video in real time at a higher quality than 288p. When I go over, I get downgraded to something even closer to dialup for the rest of the month.
The downgrading is something I'm convinced every throughput-limited ISP should do. At least there isn't some stupid hidden charge. The rest of it, not so much.
Here's my recent Comcast usage, for comparison's sake:
I wish they kept more than three months. Not entirely sure what I was doing last month, but I generally hang around 150GB doing fairly normal nerd things. 75GB would be doable, but super annoying.
I live in a house with 2 other nerdy guys, and we download everything ever and play xbox live all the time, sometimes more then one of us at a time, and generally use the internet a lot of every day.
Having seem both sides of the story in capping situations, I can only honestly answer that it depends on the current management policies of the ISP involved. By that I mean what happened to one customer who exceeded their cap 6 months ago may have absolutely no bearing on what happens now; the goalposts are constantly shifting in both directions.
I'd personally completely avoid any ISP that charges per gig for exceeded bandwidth, its nearly always a way to cheat the uninformed.
I would then get an ISP account that more or less honestly fits my bandwidth usage, and see what happens if I exceed the limits. Their response dictates whether I stay with that company. Use 3rd party email addresses, webspace/online storage providers to make it easy to up and leave the ISP whenever you want to.
In short, stay flexible and avoid long term commitments like 24 month min contract periods in exchange for a free whatever they offer etc.
My issue now is that unless I want to live with 3mbps for the next unlimited years as Verizon has no plans to roll out anything faster in the area I will need to switch to cable and either deal with the caps or the extra $20 a month to uncap it. As speeds increase and more and more stuff is streamed online this archaic 75 gig a month limit will sit there and haunt me. While other people are complaining about a 250 or a 300 gig limit I am stuck with a quarter of that.
Here is the price list I have come up with for DSL, cable modem with cable tv service, and cable modem without tv service, capped and uncapped.
Do you guys get angry letters or calls when you go over your 250GB cap? I have wondered what they would actually do.
I haven't heard a peep.
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GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
edited September 2010
Comcast looks at more than just your bandwidth usage, they monitor how you are using it before they send nasty letters. I hover around 250GB a month, but I do very little Torrent'ing (outside of Blizzard patches, and a few other specialized things that use BitTorrent for it's distribution system). My usage is just my wife and I doing normal internet things.
The internet is a big place now, with a lot of bandwidth hungry applications.
You should keep things as they are for a couple of months and track your usage.
It's easy to use a third party firmware on a router now to see what you use without being worried about it. You could also set daily or monthly quotas per computer to see how much you would be limited if you do swap.
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GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
The internet is a big place now, with a lot of bandwidth hungry applications.
Yeah, and the ISPs know this and will gouge us for the privilege of using it.
Bandwidth caps are still not the norm in most of the US, though I am sure it's just a matter of time as I know Canada has them and so does most of Europe.
Our service is supposedly capped at 100GB but we've been doing 500+ gigs a month and have received one threatening letter ever. I guess it just depends on the ISP and what kind of mood they're in
Make sure you understand what happens when you go over that 75GB. I'm in Canada so it's probably more harsh here but I get charged $2/GB I use over my limit.
I personally barely survive with 95GB and go over the limit every other month. If I was offered a $20 fee for unlimited I'd shit rainbows in joy at the opportunity and pull out my wallet.
Make sure you understand what happens when you go over that 75GB. I'm in Canada so it's probably more harsh here but I get charged $2/GB I use over my limit.
I personally barely survive with 95GB and go over the limit every other month. If I was offered a $20 fee for unlimited I'd shit rainbows in joy at the opportunity and pull out my wallet.
Damn, man. What ISP are you on?
Turbo Telus has terrible customer service but I everything else about it
When I first saw this thread title, I was sceptical of anyone being worried about 75GB being enough of a cap, but now you're all talking about hitting usage of around 500GB a month?! What the hell? What is taking up all that bandwith? My flatmate and I have an ADSL connection with UTV Internet over here in Ireland, and pay €5.99 extra per month for unlimited bandwith, but our typical monthly usage is about 35GB - the highest I've ever seen it go is just over 50GB.
The 'net is always being used here in some form or another - a good amount of torrenting by either one or both of us at the same time, or friends whenever they bring their pc's over. We have Sky Player (a subscription service from a satellite television company) installed on the Xbox 360 and media pc and is nearly always playing something, plenty of online gaming (probably not even worth mentioning, that, but still), constant browsing, streaming videos on the media pc through MSN, TED Talks, etc. All that, and our typical monthly usage is still around 35GB.
What the hell are you guys doing that you're using so much?
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...and I thought of how all those people died, and what a good death that is. That nobody can blame you for it, because everyone else died along with you, and it is the fault of none, save those who did the killing.
Make sure you understand what happens when you go over that 75GB. I'm in Canada so it's probably more harsh here but I get charged $2/GB I use over my limit.
I personally barely survive with 95GB and go over the limit every other month. If I was offered a $20 fee for unlimited I'd shit rainbows in joy at the opportunity and pull out my wallet.
Damn, man. What ISP are you on?
Turbo Telus has terrible customer service but I everything else about it
I'm on Rogers. I haven't had any troubles with it other than costing mad cash.
I have 2 people using there netflix accounts constantly since we got the wii disks.
My usage in June was 154GB.
In July it 245 GB.
In August it was 377GB!!
Ive used 88GB (35%) counting up to the 8th. Im waiting for the possible phone call from Comcast now.....
I went home last night and got a few more details from my renters. Apparently they had to redownload the Cataclysm beta about 5 times last month. That combined with the streaming and a few full seasons of shows downloaded by them apparently drove my usage through the roof.
I also do not have regular cable tv so I know thats not falsly inflating the numbers.
Needless to say i have asked the renters to cut back just a bit
Make sure you understand what happens when you go over that 75GB. I'm in Canada so it's probably more harsh here but I get charged $2/GB I use over my limit.
I personally barely survive with 95GB and go over the limit every other month. If I was offered a $20 fee for unlimited I'd shit rainbows in joy at the opportunity and pull out my wallet.
Damn, man. What ISP are you on?
Turbo Telus has terrible customer service but I everything else about it
I'm on Rogers. I haven't had any troubles with it other than costing mad cash.
Dude, you need to switch ISPs. Like yesterday. Thanks to CRTC decisions, you have options. I recommend TekSavvy, they're a reseller, they use the major ISP's wiring but route your traffic over their own trunk connections. Their monthly cap is 200GB, they only charge $0.50/GB if you go over the cap, and they offer an Unlimited package for ~$10 more than the 200GB-cap package. Oh, and their base rate is probably cheaper than what you're paying now. And they resell both cable and DSL connections. And any time I've had a problem their support people have been excellent
Edit: Honestly, anyone in Canada who actually uses Bell/Telus/Rogers/Videotron and has significant usage should switch to a reseller. Those major ISPs are seriously taking you for a ride with insanely low caps and insanely high overage charges. I know what wholesale bandwidth costs, and it ain't no $2/GB. Try two orders of magnitude less than that. I know they have to turn a profit and maintain their network and blah blah blah, but what they're currently charging is outright highway robbery.
If you haven't been hit with an overage charge yet, you're probably not downloading more than 60GB / 100GB per month (depending on your plan). If you do go over the cap, you'll notice. $2/GB adds up fast. I really doubt you're over the cap and they're not charging you. That's where they're making the most profit these days.
Edit: Honestly, anyone in Canada who actually uses Bell/Telus/Rogers/Videotron and has significant usage should switch to a reseller. Those major ISPs are seriously taking you for a ride with insanely low caps and insanely high overage charges. I know what wholesale bandwidth costs, and it ain't no $2/GB. Try two orders of magnitude less than that. I know they have to turn a profit and maintain their network and blah blah blah, but what they're currently charging is outright highway robbery.
I would switch over to Teksavvy but they aren't available in my area. I'm stuck with the big guys.
I would switch over to Teksavvy but they aren't available in my area. I'm stuck with the big guys.
Bummer. I didn't even know that was possible, I thought they could resell anywhere there was a regular ISP. Guess not though. :?
I can get the DSL but it's not quick enough to live up to my standards.
I got Teksavvy in Toronto. The DSL is decent; good price, but my speed seems to cap out at ~550 Kbps. Seems odd. Juuust barely fast enough to stream 1080p. Unlimited usage, though.
I ran some speed tests on DSL Reports, and I found that I could get over 1GBps to the Teksavvy servers, but far less to anyone else. I get the feeling Bell is throttling them or something.
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If you have Comcast (they have a 250GB cap, that is why I am assuming) you can check here:
http://customer.comcast.com/
Click on User and Settings after logging in with your master account. Then click View details under the High Speed Data Usage. It will show you a graph of past months as well.
For OP: We are heavy Netflix streamers and I use Steam quite a bit and I am constantly around 75GB/month. If that is your totally monthly cap, you will probably get close to it.
3 mbps dsl is going to cost me about 44 dollars a month for unlimited use
Local cable company (Service Electric, and no, you haven't heard of them) offers:
5mbps at $35
7 at $40
10 at $44
This is regulated by "peak hours" 75 gig a month limit which is between 5 pm and 1 am.
Uncapping this access to unlimited is an extra 20 a month. I know no one in the area who uses them and all I can find online are a couple of complaints. No personal experience at all with them myself outside the $20 super basic cable I have, which I am just about to cancel anyway because it gets no use. Canceling cable with further increase the internet access prices by $10.
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If it isn't too bad I'd probably start at the 75gb cap and then up it later if it looks like I'd have difficulty staying under it with normal use. It doesn't immediately sound like you'd be going over, but if you start streaming a lot of stuff it can go up fast.
I think they boot you in a three strikes sort of fashion or bill you some stupid amount per gig over the limit. I should go ask them that.
I KISS YOU!
The downgrading is something I'm convinced every throughput-limited ISP should do. At least there isn't some stupid hidden charge. The rest of it, not so much.
I wish they kept more than three months. Not entirely sure what I was doing last month, but I generally hang around 150GB doing fairly normal nerd things. 75GB would be doable, but super annoying.
I live in a house with 2 other nerdy guys, and we download everything ever and play xbox live all the time, sometimes more then one of us at a time, and generally use the internet a lot of every day.
We average around 300gbs a month.
My comcast usage meter makes me laugh.
I'd personally completely avoid any ISP that charges per gig for exceeded bandwidth, its nearly always a way to cheat the uninformed.
I would then get an ISP account that more or less honestly fits my bandwidth usage, and see what happens if I exceed the limits. Their response dictates whether I stay with that company. Use 3rd party email addresses, webspace/online storage providers to make it easy to up and leave the ISP whenever you want to.
In short, stay flexible and avoid long term commitments like 24 month min contract periods in exchange for a free whatever they offer etc.
Here is the price list I have come up with for DSL, cable modem with cable tv service, and cable modem without tv service, capped and uncapped.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ak_ILd9mYWDIdEN5VmdOVVlwbmQ3QTNUUDVYWjU5d0E&hl=en&authkey=CLXfDg
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I haven't heard a peep.
The internet is a big place now, with a lot of bandwidth hungry applications.
Yeah, and the ISPs know this and will gouge us for the privilege of using it.
I KISS YOU!
It's easy to use a third party firmware on a router now to see what you use without being worried about it. You could also set daily or monthly quotas per computer to see how much you would be limited if you do swap.
Bandwidth caps are still not the norm in most of the US, though I am sure it's just a matter of time as I know Canada has them and so does most of Europe.
I personally barely survive with 95GB and go over the limit every other month. If I was offered a $20 fee for unlimited I'd shit rainbows in joy at the opportunity and pull out my wallet.
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Turbo Telus has terrible customer service but I everything else about it
The 'net is always being used here in some form or another - a good amount of torrenting by either one or both of us at the same time, or friends whenever they bring their pc's over. We have Sky Player (a subscription service from a satellite television company) installed on the Xbox 360 and media pc and is nearly always playing something, plenty of online gaming (probably not even worth mentioning, that, but still), constant browsing, streaming videos on the media pc through MSN, TED Talks, etc. All that, and our typical monthly usage is still around 35GB.
What the hell are you guys doing that you're using so much?
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I'm on Rogers. I haven't had any troubles with it other than costing mad cash.
Steam | Live
My usage in June was 154GB.
In July it 245 GB.
In August it was 377GB!!
Ive used 88GB (35%) counting up to the 8th. Im waiting for the possible phone call from Comcast now.....
Do you have cable TV from them? I wonder if that is a factor in them calling people with "over-usage".
no.
I also do not have regular cable tv so I know thats not falsly inflating the numbers.
Needless to say i have asked the renters to cut back just a bit
Doo eet
Edit: Honestly, anyone in Canada who actually uses Bell/Telus/Rogers/Videotron and has significant usage should switch to a reseller. Those major ISPs are seriously taking you for a ride with insanely low caps and insanely high overage charges. I know what wholesale bandwidth costs, and it ain't no $2/GB. Try two orders of magnitude less than that. I know they have to turn a profit and maintain their network and blah blah blah, but what they're currently charging is outright highway robbery.
You are playing with fire, and your experience is completely terrible advice for the OP.
I would switch over to Teksavvy but they aren't available in my area. I'm stuck with the big guys.
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Also apparently telus doesn't even monitor usage on ADSL2+ ports, but that's just a rumour I heard
I can get the DSL but it's not quick enough to live up to my standards.
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I got Teksavvy in Toronto. The DSL is decent; good price, but my speed seems to cap out at ~550 Kbps. Seems odd. Juuust barely fast enough to stream 1080p. Unlimited usage, though.
I ran some speed tests on DSL Reports, and I found that I could get over 1GBps to the Teksavvy servers, but far less to anyone else. I get the feeling Bell is throttling them or something.