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Nvidia GTX 460 vs ATI 5830

EliminationElimination Registered User regular
I'm looking for a good, and quiet card sitting at around the $200-$250 range. So far to me, MSI's GTX 260 with the Cyclone cooler seems to be the best bang for the buck at $224 can, the only other card in that range is the 5830, but it doesn't look as appealing, with mostly the plastic shroud coolers and marginally more RAM. MSI's looks easy to overclock, in fact it says its designed for it which is nice.

But before i invest in anything i wanted to get some opinions, on average which card is the better bang for the buck in that price range?

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  • Dark ShroudDark Shroud Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    If you're not planning to really OC anything then the 5830 is stronger.

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  • Squirrel RancherSquirrel Rancher Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I'm guessing the 260 is a typo. According to Anandtech, the GTX 460 is better.

    5830 vs 460 1gb

    5830 vs 460 768mb

    Random note: from personal experience, radial heatsinks are an absolute bitch and a half to clean and tend to collect dust much faster than standard heatsinks.

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  • EliminationElimination Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I'm guessing the 260 is a typo. According to Anandtech, the GTX 460 is better.

    5830 vs 460 1gb

    5830 vs 460 768mb

    Random note: from personal experience, radial heatsinks are an absolute bitch and a half to clean and tend to collect dust much faster than standard heatsinks.

    Yeah the 260 was a typo, oops.

    I have a 4870 right now, and am mostly happy with its performance, but it runs way to hot and is really noisy.

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  • EliminationElimination Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I was thinking maybe something like this? or This? It's below $300 and it seems a fairly strong card, a reasonable upgrade from my 512MB 4870 i have now.

    What is the difference between CUDA Cores that Nvidia uses and the traditional Stream Processors that ATI uses? I notice Nvidia uses a lot less cores but the performance appears to be more efficient.

    Also looking at things like this, it appears to have a few more cores and a bit faster memory clock, but its core clock is lower...so that's a little confusing to be honest.

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  • amnesiasoftamnesiasoft Thick Creamy Furry Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    What is the difference between CUDA Cores that Nvidia uses and the traditional Stream Processors that ATI uses? I notice Nvidia uses a lot less cores but the performance appears to be more efficient.
    I don't know the technical differences, but I believe a rough comparison can be made between the two using 5 Stream Processors to 1 CUDA core.

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  • EliminationElimination Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    What is the difference between CUDA Cores that Nvidia uses and the traditional Stream Processors that ATI uses? I notice Nvidia uses a lot less cores but the performance appears to be more efficient.
    I don't know the technical differences, but I believe a rough comparison can be made between the two using 5 Stream Processors to 1 CUDA core.


    Wow, thats a huge difference....is it really that big of a void between the two types? So when it says 356 CUDA cores it is roughly 5 times that?

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  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    They don't directly compare.

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  • GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    You're trying to compare things that don't compare, even remotely, like cores and clock speeds. The only way to really compare video cards is benchmarks and some equivalent things like FLOPS, fill rate and triangles per second.

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  • EliminationElimination Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    They don't directly compare.

    Yeah that didn't seem right. That would make the 460 ect, more powerful than ATI's top cards for a fraction of the price.

    I'm still a little confused on the difference between the 465 and the 460 now though, one has slightly more cores, the other has a higher clock (significantly so.), and the price difference is mostly marginal.

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  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    The 465 is a chopped down version of the GF100 chipset, the 460 is a chopped down version of the newer GF104 chipset.

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  • EliminationElimination Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    The 465 is a chopped down version of the GF100 chipset, the 460 is a chopped down version of the newer GF104 chipset.

    So even though the 465 costs slightly more, the 460 may actually perform better overall? I saw the significant clock speed difference between them, and the difference in cores is extremely marginal, like 356 on the 460 and 340 on the 460 or something in that range, really a small difference, so the whole thing was kind of confusing.

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  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Don't compare them based on the components, compare based on the benchmark results -- iirc the 465 performs very slightly better but not enough to warrant the current price increase.

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  • EliminationElimination Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Don't compare them based on the components, compare based on the benchmark results -- iirc the 465 performs very slightly better but not enough to warrant the current price increase.

    I noticed that, and ontop of that the OC potential for the 460 is extremely high from what i've read around the net. I've even seen a few who said that if properly OC'd the performance nearly hits the GTX 470's.

    For under $300 it sounds like a really good deal.

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