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  • RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Esh wrote: »
    ceres wrote:
    I know the use of alts in H/A is pretty controversial among some of the regulars, but honestly, if someone uses the same handle for every site and wants to make a thread asking for advice about their sweaty boot rash or what a little bitch their brother is, it doesn't hurt anyone to allow them this layer of anonymity. Allowing it can be enough to encourage someone to post if they have a serious problem they wouldn't otherwise want to talk about publicly, and that's sort of what this forum is here for.

    Are those honestly topics that you'd allow for an alt? I think it should be restricted to only extreme cases. If people can create alts for things like "My friend is being a jerk!" it's going to get out of hand real fast.

    Alts have been around for years, this has never happened.

    So thanks for the strawman but I think we're safe from the Alt Menace

    Rent on
  • RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    As a matter of fact the only dude I've ever seen who's abused the privilege would be that Reservoir Angel guy, but he'd make the same thread over and over and give himself advice and was generally a weirdo

    Rent on
  • RaneadosRaneados police apologist you shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    see, I always liked ceres as a mod, she doesn't go into bouts of insanity like some of people people in charge

    alts for making topics are fine to me, people hold grudges and remember petty shit and I know that if If my dick was dripping fluids or my grandmother had a heroin addiction, that's generally stuff I would not want associated with my account. There are plenty of bad people around here that would love to wait a few years and go

    Hey Rane how's your dick, still dripping blood? hahaha

    if you couldn't make an alt, it'd make people less likely to ask the forum for help/advice

    same thing for lesser stuff. People have friends and relatives that read the forums. Even employers and FUTURE employers. Connections would be made and the anonymity of it would be ruined, again discouraging people from asking for help and advice

    Raneados on
  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited September 2010
    Raneados wrote: »
    see, I always liked ceres as a mod, she doesn't go into bouts of insanity like some of people people in charge

    .....

    BAHAHAHA. I can only imagine this statement was meant to be ironic.

    ceres on
    And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
  • CrashtardCrashtard Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Concerning the topic of alts: I have no idea how complicated or not this idea would be from a programming standpoint, but would it be possible to have alt accounts that expire after some arbitrary amount of time, like 72 hours? That would probably be enough time for most people to post their issue and get enough responses to deal with it, and if it wasn't maybe you could make it so that if 72 hours wasn't enough there would be a way to extend the time by something like 48 hours, but you could only get a time extension one time (unless further time was granted by a mod).

    Edit: To be on topic, congrats on being a mod again ceres!

    Crashtard on
    I pinky swear that we will not screw you.

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  • SkeithSkeith Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Raneados wrote: »
    see, I always liked ceres as a mod, she doesn't go into bouts of insanity like some of people people in charge

    I play WoW with ceres, this is not the case

    (I'm kidding, please keep healing me on Halion)

    Skeith on
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  • CryogenCryogen Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Hooray! I've found your advice posts well-considered and something I can generally agree with easily, so it's great to see you back in the mod-seat.

    Cryogen on
  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited September 2010
    Skeith wrote: »
    Raneados wrote: »
    see, I always liked ceres as a mod, she doesn't go into bouts of insanity like some of people people in charge

    I play WoW with ceres, this is not the case

    (I'm kidding, please keep healing me on Halion)

    Oh my goodness can I ever rage. Also if you're one of the outside guys on that fight you're not my problem anyway, I usually end up stuck on the inside. ;)

    ceres on
    And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
  • admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I cannot imagine being sane is one of the requirements for the job of PA mod.

    I would be more likely to believe it's a deterrent.

    admanb on
  • Seattle ThreadSeattle Thread Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Rent wrote: »
    "Hey H/A, thinking about becoming a cop. Are they awesome, or super awesome?"
    "Farm subsidies are the greatest investment in American infrastructure."

    Seattle Thread on
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  • RaneadosRaneados police apologist you shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    ceres wrote: »
    Raneados wrote: »
    see, I always liked ceres as a mod, she doesn't go into bouts of insanity like some of people people in charge

    .....

    BAHAHAHA. I can only imagine this statement was meant to be ironic.

    oh no i am misremembering how you are

    I demand a new mod!

    Raneados on
  • admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    The only difference between a sane mod and a crazy mod is one month of modding.

    admanb on
  • PerpetualPerpetual Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    There should be a special rule against people posting relationship threads and then thick-headedly refusing to follow any of the great advice given.

    Perpetual on
  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited September 2010
    You want it to be against the rules to be an idiot in love/not in love? Good luck.

    ceres on
    And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
  • PerpetualPerpetual Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Think about it this way: relationship threads are the most clusterfuckish threads of all. My guess is you guys get the largest number of reports from them out of any other subject. As such it makes sense to have more strict rules for them.

    Perpetual on
  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited September 2010
    And what would you legislate for those threads?

    ceres on
    And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
  • PerpetualPerpetual Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I already suggested it. I'm sure other people can come up with more ideas.

    Perpetual on
  • SmokeStacksSmokeStacks Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    admanb wrote: »
    The only difference between a sane mod and a crazy mod is 200lbs.

    SmokeStacks on
  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited September 2010
    SmokeStacks, that is also true.

    Perpetual, you have some funny ideas about the nature of advice.

    ceres on
    And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
  • PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies drinking coffee in the mountain cabinRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    admanb wrote: »
    I cannot imagine being sane is one of the requirements for the job of PA mod.

    I would be more likely to believe it's a deterrent.

    something something getting themselves selected something under no circumstances be given the job.

    Also ceres I did not know you used to be a mod but I can not think of a better choice, you are always so calm and cool and collected and your posts are often lengthy and well thought out.

    Powerpuppies on
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  • PerpetualPerpetual Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    ceres wrote: »
    Perpetual, you have some funny ideas about the nature of advice.

    I consider it very disrespectful to ask for advice with no intent of either following it, or at least taking it into serious consideration. In addition, the more knowledgeable people who give a particular line of advice, the more it behooves someone to listen to it (especially if the asker admits to not knowing what to do in a given situation).

    Sure, people disagree a lot in relationship threads, but there are a lot of times when someone says something brilliant, multiple people lime them, and the OP goes and does the exact opposite (and the inarguably stupid) thing. And they waste everyone's time when they do that. "Oh hey, we just discussed this and tried to be helpful for four pages, but you were going to go do your own thing anyway. Cool."

    Perpetual on
  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited September 2010
    And that's okay. They're allowed. This is an internet forum, you can't just go around requiring that people take advice they aren't comfortable with. I mean, you can, but you would end up with a very small forum of circle jerks. And you know, chances are they'll look back on their thread, say "man, those guys were right, kinda douches about it though, I wish I'd followed their advice", and be better for it in future.

    Relationships and feelings and all that bullshit are always more complicated from the inside than the outside. No matter how well we think we know a situation, the fact is, we don't. We advise from a position of generality and one-sided ambiguity. This doesn't make the advice given here worthless; on the contrary, it makes it a valuable tool for reflection on the problem. Ultimately, however, the OP needs to decide based on the volumes of information he has that we don't (sometimes including his own feelings) which course of action he will take. This is not necessarily disrespect.

    Asking advice does not obligate the seeker to take it, nor does it cost the advisors anything to give. It's always satisfying to see the kind of resolution you'd like, but the attitude that you are owed it is not a good one to post with.

    Aside from all practicalities involved, these are among the reasons that you will probably not see rules made about following advice provided under pretty much any circumstance.

    ceres on
    And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
  • Bendery It Like BeckhamBendery It Like Beckham Hopeless Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Yay, finally we can post asking what to do when we have a momentary lapse of character that ends us in a bad spot and not look forward to a bunch of asshats telling us we are bad people.

    <3 ceres

    Bendery It Like Beckham on
  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Yay, finally we can post asking what to do when we have a momentary lapse of character that ends us in a bad spot and not look forward to a bunch of asshats telling us we are bad people.

    <3 ceres

    Oh, I'm sure we'll find ways to still do that.

    Esh on
  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited September 2010
    Yeah, and honestly, I'm not sure that's entirely to be discouraged. Momentary lapses of character are going to net you criticism for your behavior. They should. If you do wrong, you SHOULD have to hear about it a little. Judgment is basically inevitable. If you steal or hurt someone, and you post saying "yeah, I did a bad thing and I know it was awful and I'm sorry, now how do I avoid the consequences?" (which is definitely not an uncommon theme in those threads), you really don't SOUND all that sorry. Actions have consequences, and one of those consequences is people telling you not to be a miserable fuck-up.

    What you should NOT see is name-calling, or "you kicked somebody in the shin so you deserve to burn in hell." These are not acceptable.

    To recap:

    ACCEPTABLE: "You scratched the paint on someone else's car on purpose because you were pissed, so you should probably suck it up and pay for it and take it as a lesson to control your temper."

    NOT ACCEPTABLE: "You kissed another girl while you were drunk and I hope your wife sets your dick on fire you wretched man-tramp."

    I really hope the difference is clear between 1) not condoning someone's actions and suggesting that taking the consequences assigned is the right thing to do and 2) calling someone names and telling them that you hope to see them burn to the fullest extent that a hell can provide. One of these things will always be allowed; the other never was.

    ceres on
    And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Can we have a rule where any thread involving "tipping" gets exiled to Debate & Discourse?

    Esh on
  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited September 2010
    Esh wrote: »
    Can we have a rule where any thread involving "tipping" gets exiled to Debate & Discourse?
    We don't really need an explicit rule for something with no consequences other than a moved thread.

    ceres on
    And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Esh wrote: »
    Can we have a rule where any thread involving "tipping" gets exiled to Debate & Discourse?

    I do believe that the tipping thread is one of those that is subject to a moratorium in D&D.

    It never ends well, because different countries have wildly different approaches to, and cultural perceptions of, labour law.

    japan on
  • CorvusCorvus . VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Esh wrote: »
    Can we have a rule where any thread involving "tipping" gets exiled to Debate & Discourse?

    Or, we could just not click on threads we don't want to read. I don't think we need a rule for this kind of thing.

    Corvus on
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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Corvus wrote: »
    Esh wrote: »
    Can we have a rule where any thread involving "tipping" gets exiled to Debate & Discourse?

    Or, we could just not click on threads we don't want to read. I don't think we need a rule for this kind of thing.

    That would only work in a perfect world. They always, always, always turn into shitfests. Thanks for the snark though.

    Esh on
  • DeShadowCDeShadowC Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Esh wrote: »
    Corvus wrote: »
    Esh wrote: »
    Can we have a rule where any thread involving "tipping" gets exiled to Debate & Discourse?

    Or, we could just not click on threads we don't want to read. I don't think we need a rule for this kind of thing.

    That would only work in a perfect world. They always, always, always turn into shitfests. Thanks for the snark though.

    He does have a point though when some posters want to ban the ability to have a certain thread but seem incapable of posting in it themselves.

    DeShadowC on
  • CorvusCorvus . VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Esh wrote: »
    Corvus wrote: »
    Esh wrote: »
    Can we have a rule where any thread involving "tipping" gets exiled to Debate & Discourse?

    Or, we could just not click on threads we don't want to read. I don't think we need a rule for this kind of thing.

    That would only work in a perfect world. They always, always, always turn into shitfests. Thanks for the snark though.

    So, report them to the mods, if that is what is happening. Hell, tip threads don't seem very common, certainly not common enough to require a rule.

    Corvus on
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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Corvus wrote: »
    Esh wrote: »
    Corvus wrote: »
    Esh wrote: »
    Can we have a rule where any thread involving "tipping" gets exiled to Debate & Discourse?

    Or, we could just not click on threads we don't want to read. I don't think we need a rule for this kind of thing.

    That would only work in a perfect world. They always, always, always turn into shitfests. Thanks for the snark though.

    So, report them to the mods, if that is what is happening. Hell, tip threads don't seem very common, certainly not common enough to require a rule.

    Lighten up, Francis. Notice the mood in here is not deadly serious.

    Esh on
  • RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    DeShadowC wrote: »
    Esh wrote: »
    Corvus wrote: »
    Esh wrote: »
    Can we have a rule where any thread involving "tipping" gets exiled to Debate & Discourse?

    Or, we could just not click on threads we don't want to read. I don't think we need a rule for this kind of thing.

    That would only work in a perfect world. They always, always, always turn into shitfests. Thanks for the snark though.

    He does have a point though when some posters want to ban the ability to have a certain thread but seem incapable of posting in it themselves.

    I think you meant "not" posting in it

    Ed: whatever, not worth it

    Rent on
  • DeShadowCDeShadowC Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Rent wrote: »

    I think you meant "not" posting in it

    That I did.

    DeShadowC on
  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited September 2010
    T minus two hours for this thread. :)

    I don't mind the suggestions, just be aware that I am not equipped to re-code the forum.

    ceres on
    And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
  • DirtyDirtyVagrantDirtyDirtyVagrant Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Maybe a mention in the rules about the accumulated knowledge forum? There are tons of good threads in there and it seems so little used.

    DirtyDirtyVagrant on
  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited September 2010
    There actually used to be an AFK sticky in H/A, once upon a time, and there were some very good posts in it. I'll try to think of a graceful way to work it in. I don't know if the rules thread is the best place for it, but we'll see.

    ceres on
    And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited September 2010
    edit: I am not sure why I'm double-posting so much lately. I definitely hit the post button once. I wonder if it's the forum or something with Opera.

    ceres on
    And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
  • JAEFJAEF Unstoppably Bald Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Ceres I'd just like to have it on the record here that you a busta

    JAEF on
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