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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
edited September 2010
[strike]You're probably paying a full month's rent in the new place and a pro-rated amount for the old place[/strike] (This doesn't make sense now that I look at it).
Or, you're probably paying a fee plus the rent to allow you to change your lease and the month you paid is probably down the tubes.
EncA Fool with CompassionPronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered Userregular
edited September 2010
The total difference in the units is only $75. The only way I can see that amount as adding up right is if you pay rent for the month previous (as in your last rent of $575 was for August and not September) and you only have a little less than a third left in the month.
Otherwise, something is pretty wonky here and you should ask for a breakdown of the actual fees.
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FiggyFighter of the night manChampion of the sunRegistered Userregular
edited September 2010
He owes $49.50, or 66% of the difference in rent.
EDIT:
The landlord is right.
You owe $49.50 for the rest of this month, and $75 for the rest of your last month's rent. (124.50)
You owe $49.50 for the rest of this month, and $75 for the rest of your last month's rent. (124.50)
I don't follow. Why would he pay $75 for his last month when he did not live in the larger apartment? He paid $575 for this month, and is only utilizing the larger space for less than the total amount of time. What am I missing?
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FiggyFighter of the night manChampion of the sunRegistered Userregular
edited September 2010
I think there may be a regional misunderstanding here.
In Ontario, when you rent, you pay your first month and last month of rent up front. The last month of rent acts as a security deposit. If you move to a more expensive place a few weeks in, they're going to want the difference on that security deposit.
Edit: To clarify, I do not mean "last month" as in "the month before this one." I mean the 12th month on your lease.
I think there may be a regional misunderstanding here.
In Ontario, when you rent, you pay your first month and last month of rent up front. The last month of rent acts as a security deposit. If you move to a more expensive place a few weeks in, they're going to want the difference on that security deposit.
I believe that phrase is key to solving the mystery.
I think there may be a regional misunderstanding here.
In Ontario, when you rent, you pay your first month and last month of rent up front. The last month of rent acts as a security deposit. If you move to a more expensive place a few weeks in, they're going to want the difference on that security deposit.
In Florida, you usually don't upgrade your security deposit if you are shifting in the same community, especially if you have a history with the development. It also isn't used as your last month's rent, though it would make a ton more sense if it did.
My guess is that either the new girl has no clue what she is doing, there are moving/cleanup/whatever fees the management company wants to take advantage of, or that the $650 rent was listed before "upgrades" like having a top floor room, a nice view, or a washer and dryer installed in unit. I know in a lot of places, signing your lease for $650 could end up being $775 if you get a nice unit after "upgrade fees." Be sure to get, in writing signed by the management company, a breakdown of what they want you to pay and why. If they won't give you something, then they probably have no basis for the charge.
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FiggyFighter of the night manChampion of the sunRegistered Userregular
edited September 2010
Or it's the difference of the security deposit. I don't think it's a coincidence that it's almost the exact amount when you factor that in.
EncA Fool with CompassionPronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered Userregular
edited September 2010
I'm thinking Figgy's got the right of it, the more I think about it. The clerk lady probably didn't know that is how she got her numbers, but she's probably right and will reply back to you with the exact breakdown when she hears back from the management. The fact it adds up neatly makes a lot of sense.
In either case, before you pay make sure she types it up and signs it on something official. No sense paying more money and not having a record for why you paid it or a receipt to show for it.
FiggyFighter of the night manChampion of the sunRegistered Userregular
edited September 2010
I'm not saying you're an idiot, you're just not thinking this through. Once again, when you first moved into this place, what did you write on your first check? You didn't just hand them $575 and start unloading your truck. There was a security deposit. In fact, according to some googling, it's even referring to as "last month's rent" in Indiana as well, which is where you're from.
The lady is new, like you said. She was told "Get X dollars from this guy" and went to collect. She was grasping at straws trying to figure out how that number came to be. I'm telling you how it came to be.
EncA Fool with CompassionPronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered Userregular
edited September 2010
If that's the case, the secret fee clause or the idiot clerk clause are now more likely. Without more information, though, I'm not sure how much more helpful we can be.
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FiggyFighter of the night manChampion of the sunRegistered Userregular
Yeah, and if that were the case, I would completely understand that... it's just that when she broke this down, with her calculator, she came up with $128. Nowhere in her calculations had anything to do with the last month's, or 12th month's, rent. If she'd mentioned that was the difference, then I wouldn't be here asking about it
Her math, as I read it, and as she explained it, was based purely on September
Can you remember what math that was? Because she would have to be adding variables out of thin air. I don't see how she tried to explain this for 15 minutes if it was just a garbage formula.
Edit: How do you pay your rent? Do you give them a check every month? Did you give them post dated checks?
Deebaseron my way to work in a suit and a tieAhhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered Userregular
edited September 2010
Figgy has it.
The management company holds a month's rent for the last month that you live there. You paid $575. This needs to be adjusted to $650 as does your pro-rated september rent.
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Or, you're probably paying a fee plus the rent to allow you to change your lease and the month you paid is probably down the tubes.
1/3 rent for 575 is $191
1/3 rent for 650 is $216
you should pay the difference in the two no?
Otherwise, something is pretty wonky here and you should ask for a breakdown of the actual fees.
EDIT:
The landlord is right.
You owe $49.50 for the rest of this month, and $75 for the rest of your last month's rent. (124.50)
No, last month as in the last month you will live there. When you moved in they didn't collect anything else besides your first month of rent?
I don't follow. Why would he pay $75 for his last month when he did not live in the larger apartment? He paid $575 for this month, and is only utilizing the larger space for less than the total amount of time. What am I missing?
In Ontario, when you rent, you pay your first month and last month of rent up front. The last month of rent acts as a security deposit. If you move to a more expensive place a few weeks in, they're going to want the difference on that security deposit.
Edit: To clarify, I do not mean "last month" as in "the month before this one." I mean the 12th month on your lease.
I believe that phrase is key to solving the mystery.
In Florida, you usually don't upgrade your security deposit if you are shifting in the same community, especially if you have a history with the development. It also isn't used as your last month's rent, though it would make a ton more sense if it did.
My guess is that either the new girl has no clue what she is doing, there are moving/cleanup/whatever fees the management company wants to take advantage of, or that the $650 rent was listed before "upgrades" like having a top floor room, a nice view, or a washer and dryer installed in unit. I know in a lot of places, signing your lease for $650 could end up being $775 if you get a nice unit after "upgrade fees." Be sure to get, in writing signed by the management company, a breakdown of what they want you to pay and why. If they won't give you something, then they probably have no basis for the charge.
Ok get the word "last" out of your head, because you're not hearing what I'm saying.
When you first moved in, what did you pay the nice lady? $575? Or $575 x 2?
In either case, before you pay make sure she types it up and signs it on something official. No sense paying more money and not having a record for why you paid it or a receipt to show for it.
The lady is new, like you said. She was told "Get X dollars from this guy" and went to collect. She was grasping at straws trying to figure out how that number came to be. I'm telling you how it came to be.
Can you remember what math that was? Because she would have to be adding variables out of thin air. I don't see how she tried to explain this for 15 minutes if it was just a garbage formula.
Edit: How do you pay your rent? Do you give them a check every month? Did you give them post dated checks?
The management company holds a month's rent for the last month that you live there. You paid $575. This needs to be adjusted to $650 as does your pro-rated september rent.
75+50 = 125
Except it had some sort of extra rate. You just don't know why.
Old place cost you $19.16/day
New place costs you $21.66/day
In September, you lived in the old place for 9 days and will live in the new place for 21 days.
Old place cost: $172.44
New place will cost: $454.86
The total rent for September is: $627.30
You've paid $575.
You still owe: $52.30
They want $128, which is $75.70 extra.
That's a little too convenient not to be an extra month's difference in that rent.