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Gamestop, First Sale Doctrine, and EULAs

giblfizgiblfiz Registered User new member
edited September 2010 in Debate and/or Discourse
So a new ruling just came down: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/09/the-end-of-used-major-ruling-upholds-tough-software-licenses.ars

The short version is that the 9th circuit appeals court just ruled that if your software came with an EULA that says you can't resell it, then you can't resell it. I know there is a lot of interest in the economic realities of used games on this forum and this seems like an ultra-relevant article. Based on this ruling all it would take to completely destroy gamestop would be for a few of the major publishers to start forbidding resale in the EULA that ship with their games, oh and to actually sue gamestop in the case of the EULA being ignored.

Personally I can't help but feel that this is a negative development for consumer rights, but then I am one of those open-source-copyleft hippies.

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  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    The link is broken. Do fix it, because we were talking a lot about this subject earlier.

    But wow, that means even on the individual level, you can't put your old stuff on Ebay or Amazon.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    That link doesn't work.

    I frankly don't see this being possible. Everyone would start making their customers sign EULAs.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I've been transitioning to open source software for years in preparation for this day. The stopped clock wins again!

    And the link works for me. D:

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  • AriviaArivia I Like A Challenge Earth-1Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Actually, that's not exactly what this ruling is about.

    ACD (the resellers in question) bought copies of AutoCAD from Autodesk, then paid for upgrade licenses for those copies.

    As part of the upgrade, ACD was contractually bound to destroy the old copies. They didn't: instead they sold them to a third party who proceeded to sell them to others themselves.

    The ruling only applies to ACD, and not the parties following it. Their acts of reselling aren't illegal, but ACDs was, and therefore the illegal goods must be dealt with properly (in this case, by destruction as in the original contract.)

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  • zeenyzeeny Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2010/09/10/09-35969.pdf

    The PDF of the ruling. As said, not what the OP thinks it's about.

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    That link doesn't work.

    I frankly don't see this being possible. Everyone would start making their customers sign EULAs.

    Groklaw: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=201009101658045

    Many people and interest groups are screaming blue, bloody murder at the decision, precisely because it will inevitably mean that everything (software, music, films, books, etc) has a shrinkwrap-style EULA attached.

    EDIT: On reading the judgement (I hadn't yet, only skimmed the coverage) it looks like Rivs has the right of it.

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  • HamHamJHamHamJ Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    It's a pretty big step from the sort of license hoop jumping that comes with professional software packages like Matlab and AutoCAD to your run of the mill EULA.

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  • zeenyzeeny Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    japan wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    That link doesn't work.

    I frankly don't see this being possible. Everyone would start making their customers sign EULAs.

    Groklaw: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=201009101658045

    Many people and interest groups are screaming blue, bloody murder at the decision, precisely because it will inevitably mean that everything (software, music, films, books, etc) has a shrinkwrap-style EULA attached.

    No.
    Autodesk distributes Release 14 pursuant to a limited
    license agreement in which it reserves title to the software
    copies and imposes significant use and transfer restrictions on
    its customers. We determine that Autodesk’s direct customers
    are licensees of their copies of the software rather than own-
    ers, which has two ramifications. Because Vernor did not pur-
    chase the Release 14 copies from an owner, he may not
    invoke the first sale doctrine, and he also may not assert an
    essential step defense on behalf of his customers.


    Edit: To be in the clear, the decision is retarded, but the implications are overblown.

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Yeah, see my edit. I'd only read mildly hysterical press coverage of this. I posted the link before reading the judgement.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Also, something that people are missing is that Verner has solid legal grounds to sue the firm that sold him the AutoCAD copies while knowing they had no legal ground to do so.

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