Quebec pisses me off because of the whole seperatist thing. My respect for individual Canadian provinces isn't that high anyways, given that they have the approximate population of a good sized American town, and I especially don't see what Quebec could possibly offer to the world as its own country.
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Quebec pisses me off because of the whole seperatist thing. My respect for individual Canadian provinces isn't that high anyways, given that they have the approximate population of a good sized American town, and I especially don't see what Quebec could possibly offer to the world as its own country.
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Alternatively: Scooter seems tragically confused about federalism.
The people of Quebec are by and large just like everyone else: mostly decent. What I don't like is the leadership. There is a lot of bitching about unfair treatment and discrimination, even though every politician panders to the Quebec vote, and Quebec seems to get a whole lot of money dumped into the province because of it.
I can't really blame the people of Quebec for voting as they do, though, because they get a lot of benefits from being led by separatist persecution-complex politicians. A lot of people I know who aren't separatists at all still vote for separatist leaders because of that.
I'd have voted for anyone who would cut my tuition down to Quebec numbers when I was starting my undergrad, that's for damn sure.
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Being from US, I certainly don't hate Quebecians because of their French preferences. In fact, I wish we'd establish some language laws...
I had no problems in Quebec City or Montreal; I learned enough to get by, and no one gave me a hard time about my American (Chicagioan) accent.
Have to agree with the others who say it's more Quebec's desire to be thier own country. Even if they do call it Tychonia.
The people of Quebec are by and large just like everyone else: mostly decent. What I don't like is the leadership. There is a lot of bitching about unfair treatment and discrimination, even though every politician panders to the Quebec vote, and Quebec seems to get a whole lot of money dumped into the province because of it.
I can't really blame the people of Quebec for voting as they do, though, because they get a lot of benefits from being led by separatist persecution-complex politicians. A lot of people I know who aren't separatists at all still vote for separatist leaders because of that.
I'd have voted for anyone who would cut my tuition down to Quebec numbers when I was starting my undergrad, that's for damn sure.
Yup, I'm not against most quebecois. They're generally just nice, normal people. Who speak french. Hell, my fiance's uncle is from there.
The thing that annoys most other canadians is the seperationist crap and the constant pandering to them on the federal level. How many of our PMs in the last like 50 years have been from Quebec? In the end, you almost always need the Quebec vote to win. It just seems to alot of people outside the province that if the candidates not from Quebec, the quebecois won't vote for them. Might not be correct, just the way it seems to those of us outside the province.
Not that I can blame them of course. Like you said, it gets them some nice perks.
Yes we are somewhat different from the rest of Canada, but I don't care about that separatist crap. It's not because we speak french that we should be a different nation.
But I do agree with immigrants having to learn french tho. There's a lot of english speaking people in Montreal but outside of that people speak mainly french. If I go to the USA without being able to speak english, should I expect a french speaking employee wherever I go to cater to my needs?
Or to make a better comparison... You can get around speaking spanish in the US but you shouldn't expect anyone you interact with to be able to speak in spanish just because YOU can't speak english.
My only real problem with Quebec are the separatists. Apparently they want to leave Canada, but they still want to get money from the Canadian Government.
In my opinion, you can't have it both ways.
Oh, and when I was little, my Grandparents had a mobile home in South Florida, and we'd go there once a year to visit them, and chat it up with the locals.
As soon as we said we were in Canada, we were asked 1 or both of the 2 following questions:
1) "So do you get a lot of snow up there" / "Boy, you must be happy to get out of the cold" / something to that extent
2) Are you from Quebec?
When they asked #2 and we said no, they would proceed to bitch about the French Canadian snowbirds and how they're rude and think they own the place or some such.
So apparently a good portion of South Florida doesn't like Les Quebecois.
My only real problem with Quebec are the separatists. Apparently they want to leave Canada, but they still want to get money from the Canadian Government.
That's not true at all. Levesque wanted sovereignty-association (which is basically what we have now; open federalism and all), while Parizeau and Boisclair want out-right separation.
My only real problem with Quebec are the separatists. Apparently they want to leave Canada, but they still want to get money from the Canadian Government.
That's not true at all. Levesque wanted sovereignty-association (which is basically what we have now; open federalism and all), while Parizeau and Boisclair want out-right separation.
Yeah, I think it was Parizeau that set up a sketchy slush fund of a couple billion dollars (I think 5 billion?) for use in the case of seperation (financially and otherwise) from Canada.
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I live in Quebec, and I find it extremely interesting what people have to say about my province. I guess everyone feels that way about their home.
My only gripe with Quebec is the way the English language is perceived outside of the greater Montreal area. These zenophobic tendencies are buried so deep in the rural social fabric that I don't think it will completely go away.
I personally think all Quebecois should have a solid understanding of both the French and English language, but a fairly good portion of the French Population already has a hard time grasping French.
Oh well.
Oh, and having French AND English packaging on stuff SUCKS. I have to wait forever for figurines to be sold in stores! (That's a good reason for the rest of Canada to hate us, if there ever is one! :P)
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Alternatively: Scooter seems tragically confused about federalism.
Well, that depends what you mean by "lots". There are several small breweries around Québec making good money.
I think they're big enough to get exported, but not big enough to market pisswater.
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You have to keep in mind that they've only been mentioned once in my life, maybe eight years ago.
All I know is that I wish they used their pronunciation of my name.
I would have gotten in more fights, but I would get the "oooh his name sounds exotic!" attention from the ladies.
I can't really blame the people of Quebec for voting as they do, though, because they get a lot of benefits from being led by separatist persecution-complex politicians. A lot of people I know who aren't separatists at all still vote for separatist leaders because of that.
I'd have voted for anyone who would cut my tuition down to Quebec numbers when I was starting my undergrad, that's for damn sure.
I had no problems in Quebec City or Montreal; I learned enough to get by, and no one gave me a hard time about my American (Chicagioan) accent.
Have to agree with the others who say it's more Quebec's desire to be thier own country. Even if they do call it Tychonia.
All being a nation means is that you share a common language, culture, beliefs.
And Québec is also the only province not actually recognized in the Canadian Charter.
Yup, I'm not against most quebecois. They're generally just nice, normal people. Who speak french. Hell, my fiance's uncle is from there.
The thing that annoys most other canadians is the seperationist crap and the constant pandering to them on the federal level. How many of our PMs in the last like 50 years have been from Quebec? In the end, you almost always need the Quebec vote to win. It just seems to alot of people outside the province that if the candidates not from Quebec, the quebecois won't vote for them. Might not be correct, just the way it seems to those of us outside the province.
Not that I can blame them of course. Like you said, it gets them some nice perks.
But I do agree with immigrants having to learn french tho. There's a lot of english speaking people in Montreal but outside of that people speak mainly french. If I go to the USA without being able to speak english, should I expect a french speaking employee wherever I go to cater to my needs?
Or to make a better comparison... You can get around speaking spanish in the US but you shouldn't expect anyone you interact with to be able to speak in spanish just because YOU can't speak english.
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In my opinion, you can't have it both ways.
Oh, and when I was little, my Grandparents had a mobile home in South Florida, and we'd go there once a year to visit them, and chat it up with the locals.
As soon as we said we were in Canada, we were asked 1 or both of the 2 following questions:
1) "So do you get a lot of snow up there" / "Boy, you must be happy to get out of the cold" / something to that extent
2) Are you from Quebec?
When they asked #2 and we said no, they would proceed to bitch about the French Canadian snowbirds and how they're rude and think they own the place or some such.
So apparently a good portion of South Florida doesn't like Les Quebecois.
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That's not true at all. Levesque wanted sovereignty-association (which is basically what we have now; open federalism and all), while Parizeau and Boisclair want out-right separation.
I'd be interested to see how they propose to just break off from Canada completely.
I live in Quebec, and I find it extremely interesting what people have to say about my province. I guess everyone feels that way about their home.
My only gripe with Quebec is the way the English language is perceived outside of the greater Montreal area. These zenophobic tendencies are buried so deep in the rural social fabric that I don't think it will completely go away.
I personally think all Quebecois should have a solid understanding of both the French and English language, but a fairly good portion of the French Population already has a hard time grasping French.
Oh well.
Oh, and having French AND English packaging on stuff SUCKS. I have to wait forever for figurines to be sold in stores! (That's a good reason for the rest of Canada to hate us, if there ever is one! :P)
maybe posting a topic on Québec was bad idea.
I've known a few French Canadians in my life, and they were pretty neat people. There is something of the French aloofness to some Québecois at times, though, and it's occasionally exaggerated and self-conscious.
Look, theres a major difference between saying "I don't like things A, B and C about Quebec" and "I don't like Quebec or the Quebecois"
I think you should give this thread a closer read.