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Man, this is why I hate being a bronze-leaguer in a thread full of Diamonds and Plats.
I can't really participate in the cool things you guys do in any meaningful way. I'd just be a speed-bump on someone's road to glory (or total annihilation by others much more competent than me).
Yeah, it's always a fight for expos, pulling back etc. Then all of a sudden that one dude who you thought was terrible rolls out with 60 void rays and ruins somebody's day.
Or the dude that's pretty bad keeps on attacking the winning guy, buying you time to rebuild and come out with a sick marine/ultralisk/medivac force. This happened in the beta, unfortunately the replays no longer work
Myself, my brother and Seguer did a few with Immortal/Baneling/BC. Seguer gets some early pressure with cannons and reapers but some cool immortal micro, a handful of banelings and a mopup from 3 BCs manage to save the day and lead to a win!
That was a sick immortal block with the probes.
Not attacking made the zealots try to still hit the immortal, or he was target firing like a retard. Either way it was good.
I got this weird niggling we were going to win when I saw him do that. It was great. Re-watching that game really shows me how much I need to work on my multitasking though. Trying to keep up my macro and do really specific baneling micro really hurt me there, and I'm pretty about it- I could've done a lot better.
Hah yeah, as soon as I saw those Zealots I was all run to probes!
Thankfully the Protoss guy didn't realise, or my economy would have been taaanked.
the one with mass roaches reminds me why i wish i could go mass roaches
there is something about being able to hold position micro forward towards somebody and see the volleys of acid
i guess it makes me feel like a terran
but i always get scared about air units
like, that one game in the IEM with idra where he was on the back foot for a while and suddenly pops 30 roaches and just hold positions into the guy's expo then base
it gives me a tingly feeling
roaches are meaty units
really meaty
and if you get fast regen/ground movement, they rock even more
I was going roach/muta vs stalker heavy armies and having quite the success
I mean, stalkers do 9,7 dps to roaches compared to the 8 dps roaches do to stalkers..
But those 65 HP more + fast regen when burrowed (if you have it) really make it one-sided in a head-on fight, plus the usual tactic of running / shooting with stalkers doesn't really work.
Plus they cost like, half of a stalker
I wonder how the higher roach range will play out, if it is in 1.2
I think it's just to nerf force fielding ramps a little bit, I don't think it will make that big of a difference. I guess they'll get a few more shots off when being used as a shield for hydras as well.
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kaleeditySometimes science is more art than scienceRegistered Userregular
edited October 2010
I hope for a build order for competitive zerg that does not guarantee zergling speed
Man, every time I play an FFA it's always some bronze dude who somehow disrupts the balance of power and totally makes the game interesting.
Really?
Huh.
Well, I guess it couldn't hurt to try.
You may only be in bronze, but there are tons of players here willing to help by suggesting things you can do to improve your game... you can only get better, right?
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Was wowed by Rift so I'm trying that now.
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Seguerof the VoidSydney, AustraliaRegistered Userregular
edited October 2010
FYI Sen is streaming, just lost to a random player, ZvZ. The other guy went roach muta on one base, small number of mutas to harrass then whomp, mass roach.
Are there any good day 9s on zerg? The only way I can win is by double gas stealing, holding off the initial push with spinecrawl/queen and then killing them with mutas.
Are there any good day 9s on zerg? The only way I can win is by double gas stealing, holding off the initial push with spinecrawl/queen and then killing them with mutas.
This does not work if the player has good micro.
I suck with zerg.
There are a few, I liked the recent one on drone timing. And then there are two more a few weeks back where he tried to learn Zerg in 2 shows in a row.
Psy's youtube channel is also pretty good for Zergs, lots of VODs.
Have you watched the Day9 he did on Adelscott's build?
The no-gas one? I skipped it but I'll have a look at it right now.
I thought the no-gas one was White-ra?
I looked at some NEXGenius FE games last night, and he lost every one of them. so, not exactly how sure that they work well. or, i just got a handful of games that he got outplayed... dunno.
of course, that follows my damn ladder play last night, got cheesed mulitiple times, and just kept losing... argggggg.
If you enjoy not being able to attack your opponent's base until it's deserted because they pushed out and you killed their army, then Zerg is for you!
Have you watched the Day9 he did on Adelscott's build?
The no-gas one? I skipped it but I'll have a look at it right now.
I looked at some NEXGenius FE games last night, and he lost every one of them. so, not exactly how sure that they work well.
of course, that follows my damn ladder play last night, got cheesed mulitiple times, and just kept losing... argggggg.
i think that my horrible losing streak requires a hardware sacrifice.... 23" monitor, or 27" ? or two of one?
whichever one improves your macro 8-)
most of the losses werent macro related. several were, but it was like 2-1 cheese-getting outplayed/outmacroed.
its amazing how a couple of quick losses to well-executed cheese has you doing stupid shit. won a couple games with plain old macro focus at the end, so i went to bed pissed off, but not ready to destroy every computer in the house.
And it's all about the macro baby. Gotta push those buttons,push push those buttons!
i know, and the ocassional cheese game will beat ya. started off with a gold canon rushing. too solid before i could do a damn thing about it. then a double barracks proxy, that i scouted and said "damn either this guy sucks ass or i'm about to be proxyd". Yeh, lost that. Then an 8 pool. Again, I scouted it, and just didnt react properly. Then some terran medivac drops. Then the two new maps, first time on, and i tried to be cutesy on both.
Finally won a couple of normal build, normal macro games.
lost to a terran who just pumped vikings on scrap, while i pumped VRs. that was instant death.
then i played a toss on scrap and double gate zealot proxied him while he was going VRs. I won that pretty easily, as he didnt have shit except canons and a vr by the time i was running zealots at him. i didnt even bother with getting any gas until after i had 4 proxy gates up, and decided i needed to take down that one VR.
just a frustrating night. last week for me marathoning games consistently, and i violated just about every self-imposed rule about playing on the ladder... eg. don't play games after 1 am. i didnt start until after 1 am. don't try to get cute, just produce... yeh, i failed that several games. i mis-scouted, and didnt react the right way when i saw something obvious. i didnt stick with my plans.
just a stupid, stupid night on ladder. tonight is joe's "back to basics" night. grumble grumble.
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I can't really participate in the cool things you guys do in any meaningful way. I'd just be a speed-bump on someone's road to glory (or total annihilation by others much more competent than me).
Really?
Huh.
Well, I guess it couldn't hurt to try.
Hah yeah, as soon as I saw those Zealots I was all
Thankfully the Protoss guy didn't realise, or my economy would have been taaanked.
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Also, I have now experimented with clowntoss for a couple of days. Changing races is fun, it's a whole new game, I dearly recommend it.
Now I just need to know what the hell to make vs the 4gate. Seeing how everyone's only doing that right now :P.
Anyone here have a decent FE or something? I saw Joe request one a couple of pages ago.
ed: Jesus that man sure can talk.
He should totally be an auctioneer.
The no-gas one? I skipped it but I'll have a look at it right now.
Glad to see this, they didn't really make the last GSL more impressive to watch.
I haven't tried it yet, but there is a nexus on 15 build that is rather interesting vs zerg.
Honestly though, I'd try 3 gate aggression into expand, or 2 gate robo into expand before that as they a lot less iffy.
really meaty
and if you get fast regen/ground movement, they rock even more
I was going roach/muta vs stalker heavy armies and having quite the success
I mean, stalkers do 9,7 dps to roaches compared to the 8 dps roaches do to stalkers..
But those 65 HP more + fast regen when burrowed (if you have it) really make it one-sided in a head-on fight, plus the usual tactic of running / shooting with stalkers doesn't really work.
Plus they cost like, half of a stalker
I think it's just to nerf force fielding ramps a little bit, I don't think it will make that big of a difference. I guess they'll get a few more shots off when being used as a shield for hydras as well.
just for a change of pace.
I've started to wait for ling speed against P&T in favor of better economy and going straight into roaches or hydras.
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I see what you did tharr.
You may only be in bronze, but there are tons of players here willing to help by suggesting things you can do to improve your game... you can only get better, right?
This does not work if the player has good micro.
I suck with zerg.
There are a few, I liked the recent one on drone timing. And then there are two more a few weeks back where he tried to learn Zerg in 2 shows in a row.
Psy's youtube channel is also pretty good for Zergs, lots of VODs.
I thought the no-gas one was White-ra?
I looked at some NEXGenius FE games last night, and he lost every one of them. so, not exactly how sure that they work well. or, i just got a handful of games that he got outplayed... dunno.
of course, that follows my damn ladder play last night, got cheesed mulitiple times, and just kept losing... argggggg.
Joe's Stream.
So I probably won't...
http://www.gomtv.net/sc2_teaminvi.php
This sounds amazing and apparently starts tomorrow.
Holy crap the girl from Juno was the Boxer smurf all along. Definitely buying a season pass.
i think that my horrible losing streak requires a hardware sacrifice.... 23" monitor, or 27" ? or two of one?
Joe's Stream.
whichever one improves your macro 8-)
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most of the losses werent macro related. several were, but it was like 2-1 cheese-getting outplayed/outmacroed.
its amazing how a couple of quick losses to well-executed cheese has you doing stupid shit. won a couple games with plain old macro focus at the end, so i went to bed pissed off, but not ready to destroy every computer in the house.
Joe's Stream.
And it's all about the macro baby. Gotta push those buttons,push push those buttons!
haha wow this is so weird
i know, and the ocassional cheese game will beat ya. started off with a gold canon rushing. too solid before i could do a damn thing about it. then a double barracks proxy, that i scouted and said "damn either this guy sucks ass or i'm about to be proxyd". Yeh, lost that. Then an 8 pool. Again, I scouted it, and just didnt react properly. Then some terran medivac drops. Then the two new maps, first time on, and i tried to be cutesy on both.
Finally won a couple of normal build, normal macro games.
lost to a terran who just pumped vikings on scrap, while i pumped VRs. that was instant death.
then i played a toss on scrap and double gate zealot proxied him while he was going VRs. I won that pretty easily, as he didnt have shit except canons and a vr by the time i was running zealots at him. i didnt even bother with getting any gas until after i had 4 proxy gates up, and decided i needed to take down that one VR.
just a frustrating night. last week for me marathoning games consistently, and i violated just about every self-imposed rule about playing on the ladder... eg. don't play games after 1 am. i didnt start until after 1 am. don't try to get cute, just produce... yeh, i failed that several games. i mis-scouted, and didnt react the right way when i saw something obvious. i didnt stick with my plans.
just a stupid, stupid night on ladder. tonight is joe's "back to basics" night. grumble grumble.
Joe's Stream.
a win or a loss or a few. I haven't seen you play.