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Super quick question about hospitals [Solved and then some]
Do they normally have security at hospitals? I don't really remember seeing guards but then whenever I've been at the hospital, I wasn't exactly there to sightsee.
They all have security staff and "codes" to page alerting to risks/threats. Not all have police but hospitals with an ER tend to have Sheriff or Metro Police on duty and assigned there.
I worked in a very small rural hospital and they had a couple security dudes just to hold people down if the tranquilizers didn't do the trick, or if there were some sort of family dispute/drama the police were called.
There was, however, one nurse who didn't care much for the no firearms policy and didn't want to be caught not bearing if some wacko went down a-blazing. I remember thinking he was pretty much the coolest male nurse ever.
To wogi: I'm writing a story and something happens at a hospital that looks like trouble and I needed to know if a security guard would actually be present. Haha it's not because I'm thinking of trying something at a hospital and needed to know my chances of success.
I've spent a considerable amount of time in hospitals and have probably only seen actual security twice. Unless something is happening I'd imagine they just do timed rounds. For a story I'd say it's pretty loose, depending on what kind of story it is and where it takes place.
To wogi: I'm writing a story and something happens at a hospital that looks like trouble and I needed to know if a security guard would actually be present. Haha it's not because I'm thinking of trying something at a hospital and needed to know my chances of success.
Lol - cool.
Its going to depend on the hospital and the neighborhood. In certain areas, it might be a uniformed officer. In others, there might only be 1 or 2 security guards. You can expect that any hospital would always have someone there, because you can always expect someone to try to break in to the wrong area for drugs.
security isn't so much there for break-ins and the like
but for unruly patients
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ceresWhen the last moon is cast over the last star of morningAnd the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, ModeratorMod Emeritus
edited October 2010
My local hospital has rent-a-cops posted near the ER. I know because I used to be one, and that was one of the locations in our district.
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Great. This actually takes place near the emergency room. Thanks everyone!
And I never would've guessed that about you ceres. Good to know.
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ceresWhen the last moon is cast over the last star of morningAnd the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, ModeratorMod Emeritus
edited October 2010
Indeed. I did it for about 4 years. I was probably the shortest security guard ever.
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It's weird though because I see every poster in my head as a talking version of their avatar and I just can't picture the super happy, anime girl as a rent-a-cop.
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ceresWhen the last moon is cast over the last star of morningAnd the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, ModeratorMod Emeritus
edited October 2010
It's true!
I can tell you about it sometime, if it will help. I didn't do the hospital thing, but I knew a couple who did. It's a pretty quiet suburb though, I think the worst they see down there is a cranky drunk from time to time. At bigger hospitals they probably have something a little fancier to keep an eye on things, and it will of course differ depending on location and who runs it. It's worth thinking about those things for when you do the design work (assuming it's a long enough story and you spend enough time focused on it).
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Ohh, that'd be interesting but only on a personal level because the reference in the story is pretty small. Basically a situation breaks out that would draw the attention of a guard, if one was present. I didn't want to put one in and have people think "That's stupid. They never have security guards at hospitals."
I work at a Hospital in Pittsburgh and they do have security guards but honestly they are not very imposing and half the time they are sleeping or doing crosswords.
Though honestly if its a big city hospital more than likely it would have cops coming and goming from bringing people to be treated/taking statements
Ohh, that'd be interesting but only on a personal level because the reference in the story is pretty small. Basically a situation breaks out that would draw the attention of a guard, if one was present. I didn't want to put one in and have people think "That's stupid. They never have security guards at hospitals."
It would have to be an ER or at the front desk, and quite honestly the "guards" don't do anything, as in ever. They have the cops on speed dial and that's about it.
If you want a conflict, the sheriff stationed in a trauma ER would be more appropriate.
Do they normally have security at hospitals? I don't really remember seeing guards but then whenever I've been at the hospital, I wasn't exactly there to sightsee.
I work in the security field and have known several people who worked security at various Toronto hospitals.
Just because you don't see them doesn't mean they aren't there.
Also, while I haven't personally worked in a hospital, keep in mind that we're like raptors; you'll see one, but suddenly you're blindsided by two others. Basically, we know the area and we hunt in packs when possible. I don't believe there are any hospitals in the downtown area where the security staff are permitted firearms (in case it's important), I think that's typically reserved for on site/duty police officers and armored car staff. They'd likely have a radio and handcuffs. Possibly a flashlight, though that might be something small that they provide themselves. A baton (collapsable or not) is possible but also unlikely.
There have been a number of training standards and some legislation put into place since I was on the floor, but I imagine the day to day routine probably hasn't changed much.
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Haha you guys are incredible. I was just trying to figure out if it would be reasonable to have a guard show up at the sounds of an altercation or if it should only be hospital staff that attend to it but what I got was far more than I ever expected. I might just have to write a story about a security guard(s) at a hospital just to thank all of you.
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Ohh, that'd be interesting but only on a personal level because the reference in the story is pretty small. Basically a situation breaks out that would draw the attention of a guard, if one was present. I didn't want to put one in and have people think "That's stupid. They never have security guards at hospitals."
It would have to be an ER or at the front desk, and quite honestly the "guards" don't do anything, as in ever. They have the cops on speed dial and that's about it.
If you want a conflict, the sheriff stationed in a trauma ER would be more appropriate.
This was largely true in my area, but not entirely. No firearms, and they mostly were there to call the police, but for things like the drunk guy hanging around inside/outside, the guard goes and asks them to leave. My company was pretty explicit that in most cases we weren't actually legally allowed to touch or detain anybody unless they were violent. And the person would have to get violent first, not just look violent.
The other thing about working there (which is one of the reasons I never took a hospital job) is that every once in a while they were expected to run up to the psych ward and help hold someone down. I'm not actually strong enough to do that.
I did work at a rehab center once (physical therapy, not drug... mostly the elderly waiting to die), and the main thing that stood out about it was that after a few months it was extremely demoralizing. No one was mean to me or anything, but the nurses would fight with each other... the regular nurses, that is. There were maybe four of them. The rest were techs with various certifications from a temp agency and rarely the same people two weeks in a row. The permanent staff was overtired, overworked, and didn't care anymore. People would come down to the lobby (my post) crying because their mother was in so much pain and the nurse wouldn't even talk to them after hours of trying to get anyone's attention. There was a good deal of neglect there, both due to time restrictions and apathy. And you're just security. You can't do anything about that stuff, and nobody cares what you think. So I can only imagine a hospital job.
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There was, however, one nurse who didn't care much for the no firearms policy and didn't want to be caught not bearing if some wacko went down a-blazing. I remember thinking he was pretty much the coolest male nurse ever.
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To wogi: I'm writing a story and something happens at a hospital that looks like trouble and I needed to know if a security guard would actually be present. Haha it's not because I'm thinking of trying something at a hospital and needed to know my chances of success.
I mean, unless there is something that requires their presence elsewhere
Lol - cool.
Its going to depend on the hospital and the neighborhood. In certain areas, it might be a uniformed officer. In others, there might only be 1 or 2 security guards. You can expect that any hospital would always have someone there, because you can always expect someone to try to break in to the wrong area for drugs.
-Current W.I.P.
security isn't so much there for break-ins and the like
but for unruly patients
And I never would've guessed that about you ceres. Good to know.
I can tell you about it sometime, if it will help. I didn't do the hospital thing, but I knew a couple who did. It's a pretty quiet suburb though, I think the worst they see down there is a cranky drunk from time to time. At bigger hospitals they probably have something a little fancier to keep an eye on things, and it will of course differ depending on location and who runs it. It's worth thinking about those things for when you do the design work (assuming it's a long enough story and you spend enough time focused on it).
Though honestly if its a big city hospital more than likely it would have cops coming and goming from bringing people to be treated/taking statements
It would have to be an ER or at the front desk, and quite honestly the "guards" don't do anything, as in ever. They have the cops on speed dial and that's about it.
If you want a conflict, the sheriff stationed in a trauma ER would be more appropriate.
I work in the security field and have known several people who worked security at various Toronto hospitals.
Just because you don't see them doesn't mean they aren't there.
Also, while I haven't personally worked in a hospital, keep in mind that we're like raptors; you'll see one, but suddenly you're blindsided by two others. Basically, we know the area and we hunt in packs when possible. I don't believe there are any hospitals in the downtown area where the security staff are permitted firearms (in case it's important), I think that's typically reserved for on site/duty police officers and armored car staff. They'd likely have a radio and handcuffs. Possibly a flashlight, though that might be something small that they provide themselves. A baton (collapsable or not) is possible but also unlikely.
There have been a number of training standards and some legislation put into place since I was on the floor, but I imagine the day to day routine probably hasn't changed much.
The other thing about working there (which is one of the reasons I never took a hospital job) is that every once in a while they were expected to run up to the psych ward and help hold someone down. I'm not actually strong enough to do that.
I did work at a rehab center once (physical therapy, not drug... mostly the elderly waiting to die), and the main thing that stood out about it was that after a few months it was extremely demoralizing. No one was mean to me or anything, but the nurses would fight with each other... the regular nurses, that is. There were maybe four of them. The rest were techs with various certifications from a temp agency and rarely the same people two weeks in a row. The permanent staff was overtired, overworked, and didn't care anymore. People would come down to the lobby (my post) crying because their mother was in so much pain and the nurse wouldn't even talk to them after hours of trying to get anyone's attention. There was a good deal of neglect there, both due to time restrictions and apathy. And you're just security. You can't do anything about that stuff, and nobody cares what you think. So I can only imagine a hospital job.