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[WoW][Chat] Cata cata cata pon! (LOTS OF INFO IN THE OP)

StericaSterica YesRegistered User, Moderator mod
edited October 2010 in MMO Extravaganza
Don't get too attached to this special 4.0 chat thread, as DeathMunkus could very well rise from the depths to shatter this thread and remake it in his own glorious image.

Are you secretly part of the Twilight's Beaver Cult?

Oh, and I would never forget about his partner-in-crime, Echo'gall.

READ BELOW BEFORE ASKING QUESTIONS GOD DAMN YOU


Glyph Changes
Gem Changes
Stat Changes
Reforging Info
New Class Mechanics
Guild UI Changes
Streaming Launcher Info
Known Issues in 4.0.1

[url=Patch 4.0.1
Released October 12th, 2010
-The shattering is NOT occurring. This means NO changes to Azeroth's landmass.
-You can run ZG still.
-You CANNOT purchase your flying license in Azeroth.
-You CAN purchase your 310% mount speed for 5,000g.
-Your mounts WILL all scale to your highest skill level.
-You WILL get new talents and skills up to 80.
-You WILL get to reforge your gear. Talk to a guard for directions.
-You WILL get the new glyph system.
-All classes WILL get their new mechanics, if any.
-Stats WILL be changing. Armor Penetration, Mana per Five Seconds and so forth will be replaced with other stats.
-Guilds WILL have a cap of 1,000 members. Pre-4.0 guilds will be grandfathered in: they can stay past the hard cap but will be unable to invite new members until they go under 1,000.
-You will NOT have guild leveling.
-You will NOT have new class/race combos.
-I shouldn't have to say this, but you CANNOT roll Worgen or Goblins.
-Pre-Expansion events WILL be occurring. Enjoy!
-The Guild UI WILL be changed to the Cataclysm version.
-The events for Echo Isles and Gnomeregan have ended.

Patch 4.0.3
Expected late November
-The Shattering will occur, changing Azeroth's landmass.
-You can fly in Azeroth.
-The new race/class combinations will be available.
-Guild leveling will NOT be in.
-No, you still can't roll Worgen or Goblins.

World of Warcraft: Cataclysm
December 7th, 2010
-Guild Leveling is go, along with everything else, really.
-Yes, you can roll a fucking Worgen or Goblin.

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  • L Ron HowardL Ron Howard Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I'm personally unsure if I will keep subscribed after this. Tanking is going to suck, healing is going to suck, damage dealing is going to suck. Why try to play a game if you don't have any fun?

    They've also officially announced that tomorrow is indeed the patch.

    http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27189089214&sid=1
    Extended maintenance will begin tonight at midnight, Tuesday, October 12 for the release of patch 4.0.1. Maintenance will begin at 12:01 AM PDT and conclude at approximately 12:01 PM PDT. During this time all realms and many web services will be unavailable.

    Due to the size of the patch we highly recommend you enable your background downloader. If you need assistance doing so please visit http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=35274

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  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    So about that 4.0...

    Tomorrow sure will be fun.

    By some unusual definition of fun.

    EDIT: SEE. Sometimes they do say when there will be a patch!

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  • TheGerbilTheGerbil Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    You mean the definition wereby high population servers are again struck with server queues and the mass hyteria and random questions in trade chat that follows?

    Also based on what I've played from the beta/ptr everything is not going to suck but instead become more awesome and less facerolling. Unless if your definition of suck is you cannot faceroll everything anymore.

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  • lionheart_mlionheart_m Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Wait, why is tanking going to suck?

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited October 2010
    I don't see how any of that is going to suck. We just finished an expansion where the difficulty was at its lowest in a game that never had the highest of skill caps.

    I'm pretty amped for healing, personally.

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  • TheGerbilTheGerbil Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Tanking has had a lot of threat issues, but recently they changed all tanks to do 200% more threat so its not as bad. Really a big change which blizzard has wanted is less facerolling/overgearing more actual player skill/attention required.

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  • OptyOpty Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Tanking should be okay with the 200% threat modifiers on the tanks now. Before at 125% it was super dicey though.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited October 2010
    Tanks do 200% more threat, but all classes lost their talented or innate threat reduction.

    I'm not sure if being X yds away from the mob still increases the amount of threat needed to pull.

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  • Kai_SanKai_San Commonly known as Klineshrike! Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    the game will still be playable, but if you wish for any classes to be balanced with one another you are probably going to hate the game till cata.

    Unless of course you are on the higher end of things I guess. But yeah, challenge is going to be great and all, till you realize LFD has made you pug everything and those pugs are going to handle the culture shock of things not being quite as easy by being complete geese about it.

    Oh and I dunno if anything changed, but I heard since blizz though we would be indefinately stronger due to these changes the ICC buff is going to be gone. If thats true (the latter, cause for the most part the former is not) then many guilds who were taking this wonderful gift to actually progress are going to be pood on REAL hard.

    That being said, I plan on maybe spammin out some randoms to get a feel for what my alts will be like with decent gear, and because while I might replace the peices early, at least with 251ish gear I wont have to take every single green right away and instead can pick and choose what I actually like. Thats what I keep telling myself anyway.
    Rorus Raz wrote: »
    Tanks do 200% more threat, but all classes lost their talented or innate threat reduction.

    I'm not sure if being X yds away from the mob still increases the amount of threat needed to pull.

    Im not sure if you are talking about post 4.0, but it still does right now. I don't see that changing without a post telling us so because that would be a pretty significant ninja change. Besides, ranged classes lost thier talents reducing threat just like melee classes lost thier natural reductions, so it would kind of be like throwing up the double duce to all ranged classes.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited October 2010
    I highly doubt the buff will be gone, since it matches the old 3.0 nerfing of all TBC content by roughly 30%. Not to mention Chill of the Throne is going, so you're looking at Matrix tanks dodging everything.

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  • Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Less facerolling and more skill/attention required? Where do I sign up and who do I thank? :)

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  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I've heard all sorts of things about the 30% buff. Ghostcrawler mentioned maybe removing it completely because "we shouldn't need it". It appeared to be gone on the PTR, although I hear maybe the PTR was confused and thought it was January 2010 still. I've also heard we somehow got a different 30% buff to replace it, but that sort of confuses me. I haven't tried raiding on the PTR, so I really don't know what's going on.

    I've also heard the dodge debuff went away.

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  • Panda4YouPanda4You Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    :[

    It's my grafx card died two days before a major patch and all icc10/25 locks unused this week on my two chars that go there-face.

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    from the last thread
    reVerse wrote:
    I tried to pick up some herbs but my inventory was full. How dare Blizzard do this? I'm boycotting them for life, those bastards

    Whats frightening is that someone has probably seriously complained about this at some point.

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  • L Ron HowardL Ron Howard Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I guess I'm ambivalent towards what it looks like it's going to change and become. I never liked waiting for 3 sunders, to attack. I don't mind if they make the mobs insta-gib anything that isn't focusing on the tanks target, because I for one welcome many a Ret Paladin and Shaman deaths. But I've been having tons of fun with tanking the way it is. I love running in, doing my thing, and hold aggro off of three guys or so. Now it just sounds like I'll barely be able to hold aggro off of one guy, and barely keep the mobs off of the healer due to healer aggro. I never liked that, and I'm really not looking forward to it.
    I do welcome more of a challenge, but it's sounding like they're trying to make the game back into a chore, rather than entertainment.
    I guess we'll find out come Wednesday though.

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  • Steel-AngelSteel-Angel Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    This game is not going to be fun next patch from a PVP perspective.

    12k Ice Lances. 55k Arcane Blasts. $_WTF Conflagarates. $_KNIGHTSOFTHEROUND Kill Command. Healers might as well get an item that makes a "KICK ME" sign on their character model, they're going to be totally worthless.

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Its not like that LRH.

    There's an exact quote by GC that pretty much says exactly what they intend with this system.

    Tanks will easily be able to hold one mob against single-target DPS, with some effort, can hold two more against incidental AOE, and the rest against healer aggro. But mobs are also going to hit harder, so you're going to need to CC a few things.

    Don't get me wrong I loved being able to trivialize shitty DPS players by just tanking everything until it died, but I'm also looking forward to the challenge.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited October 2010
    Single target threat is not really changing beyond threat redirection effects becoming temporary. The real change is AoE, which will be harder on multi-mob pulls.

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  • naengwennaengwen Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I'm personally unsure if I will keep subscribed after this. Tanking is going to suck, healing is going to suck, damage dealing is going to suck. Why try to play a game if you don't have any fun?

    Meh, it's certainly not the revelation everyone made Cata out to be. They scaled back AoE nerfs and tanking changes after realizing they designed a whole XPac around facerolling, balanced DPS and Healing around a couple of specs and gave those a hearty handshake and a pat on the back (I don't recall receiving the latter, though; suppose I'll get it next XPac), and just recently started testing that other sorta major aspect of the game they were hoping to revamp. Think it was called PvP, or something.

    Points for trying though, and for what it's worth they did follow through on quite a bit (cept for Spirit Link). Let's just hope they don't screw up gear again.

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  • Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Sweet I might actually have to blow some CDs on my DK tank now. The only time I did it before is if I was with a group of facerolling 6k+dpsers... even then I was able to hold agro the majority of the time with CDs and careful threat gen on all mobs.

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  • OptyOpty Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    This game is not going to be fun next patch from a PVP perspective.

    12k Ice Lances. 55k Arcane Blasts. $_WTF Conflagarates. $_KNIGHTSOFTHEROUND Kill Command. Healers might as well get an item that makes a "KICK ME" sign on their character model, they're going to be totally worthless.

    That's not true in my experience. I healed on the PTR in a random BG and did just fine. I was on a copy of my main without PvP gear though, while a lot of the premades have a full set of PvP gear, so that might have been a factor. But hey, when I can tree form up and survive against someone trying to blow me the fuck up for the entire cooldown I consider that a win.

    Also I totally forgot to do the last bit of my 4.0.1 prep yesterday so I have to take care of it all today before our raid. Namely, get my badges and honor down below the softcap point and to finish collecting glyphs.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    As with 3.0 and 2.0 before it, stuff's going to be balanced around the new level 85 endgame, so balance in the current game is going to be fucked to some extent.

    I'm particularly interested in how raid trash will work now, given how much of ICC is packs of 5-6 or more things that can't be CCed. Will ranged just single target them down individually? (this is the thing I am least looking forward to.)

    That being said, I wholeheartedly welcome the move away from the aoe furball method of clearing pve content.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2010
    Healer's are not worthless in pvp, they are just no longer gods that will not die.

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  • Mr Slippy FistMr Slippy Fist Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    End wrote: »
    I've heard all sorts of things about the 30% buff. Ghostcrawler mentioned maybe removing it completely because "we shouldn't need it". It appeared to be gone on the PTR, although I hear maybe the PTR was confused and thought it was January 2010 still. I've also heard we somehow got a different 30% buff to replace it, but that sort of confuses me. I haven't tried raiding on the PTR, so I really don't know what's going on.

    I've also heard the dodge debuff went away.

    I just hopped on the PTR, and yeah, "Chill of the Throne" is gone, so tanks get their 20% dodge back. The 30% buff was also gone, but Varian was absent, so the PTR may be stuck in a pre-buff mode. I can't remember if he was standing there at the entrance doing nothing back before the buff went in or not.

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  • BlueDestinyBlueDestiny Registered User
    edited October 2010
    I'm just here for spell reflect Grounding Totem.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited October 2010
    Healer's are not worthless in pvp, they are just no longer gods that will not die.
    Healing is entirely busted in 4.0. You cannot outheal damage and, naturally, cannot outdamage a damage class. You just curl up and die if left to your own devices.

    It's not so bad in a group, but it renders the middle heals useless. Their hps is too low to be worth using.

    Now, this is much better at 85, but it will suck ass for now.

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  • SkeithSkeith Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    End wrote: »
    I've heard all sorts of things about the 30% buff. Ghostcrawler mentioned maybe removing it completely because "we shouldn't need it". It appeared to be gone on the PTR, although I hear maybe the PTR was confused and thought it was January 2010 still. I've also heard we somehow got a different 30% buff to replace it, but that sort of confuses me. I haven't tried raiding on the PTR, so I really don't know what's going on.

    I've also heard the dodge debuff went away.

    I just hopped on the PTR, and yeah, "Chill of the Throne" is gone, so tanks get their 20% dodge back. The 30% buff was also gone, but Varian was absent, so the PTR may be stuck in a pre-buff mode. I can't remember if he was standing there at the entrance doing nothing back before the buff went in or not.

    I don't think he was there at the start...

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    mts wrote: »
    heres how i see it being a total win situation for you
    1. stay with your wife while she dog sits. this wins husband points since she knows its out of your comfort zone
    2. have sex all over her friends house so that the next time you see her friend look at you condescendingly, you can wink back knowing you did the freaky deaky where she eats her cheerios.
  • Steel-AngelSteel-Angel Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Healer's are not worthless in pvp, they are just no longer gods that will not die.

    1v1 matters, clearly

    oh wait, last time a healer could just barely outheal a single dps we had s5

    edit: damage literally increased by 50% or more for most specs with the proper adjustments in reforging. it's ridiculous beyond excuse how i can drop a tree from 100-0% inside a deep with full hots on him.

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  • DranythDranyth Surf ColoradoRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I am rather excited to switch my Shaman back over to Elemental on Live and mess around with that. Come to think of it, I believe I need to get some more Emblems tonight to grab a second 245 head piece so I can have one with a Meta for caster DPS that I can swap out...

    What I'm not exactly 'excited' about, I intend to completely redo my UI but for a few things. ArkInventory I'm keeping, Auctionator, MSBT, Grid/Clique, Bartender4 most likely, probably Prat and maybe Elk's Buff Bars. Besides those, I'm dropping a bunch of other stuff, X-Perl is a big one I don't really intend to keep, BigWigs/LittleWigs (I think I'll switch to Deadly Boss Mods), my entire set of Fubar and related plugins I'm going to get rid of. I think I'll need MoveAnything (if it's actually been updated for 4.0), as I'd like to rearrange how I've been doing things, and part of that will be moving my minimap to the top middle of the screen which means I'll have to move the standard stuff that appears there off the side.

    Ah well, we'll see how it goes. Despite keeping Bartender4, I want to rearrange how I do the bars, so I'll be wiping out the settings anyway. Ugh, I've been putting off thinking about this too much but I suppose it's eminent now.

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  • BobbleBobble Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    So I'll have to relearn.... a lot of specs and playstyles for this patch.
    Mage (fire/arcane)
    Warrior (prot/fury... Arms?)
    Priest (All 3, because I haven't gotten to try Holy yet)
    Druid (Tree, Cat... Bear can wait)
    Shaman (Probably all 3)
    Paladin (Holy, Ret, I'll probably wait on Prot)
    DK (The entire goddamned class. I haven't touched it in months, maybe for the best)

    Sub-80:
    Hunter's at 71, and who knows, I may actually enjoy the class again with the overhaul
    Rogue's at 62, with heirlooms for both Mut and Combat
    Warlock I'll probably save for Cata, many moons down the road.


    .... shit D:

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  • LarsLars Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Man, just a week or two I remember someone in randoms going on about how Frost was the DK's tanking spec (not the best, he seriously thought it was the only tanking tree). This is like two years after the debut of DK's. Tomorrow is going to blow some of their little minds.

    Also, the Justice Point conversion alone guarantees I'm going to have /trade turned off and probably /general as well.

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  • mynameisguidomynameisguido Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Lars wrote: »
    Man, just a week or two I remember someone in randoms going on about how Frost was the DK's tanking spec (not the best, he seriously thought it was the only tanking tree). This is like two years after the debut of DK's. Tomorrow is going to blow some of their little minds.

    Also, I the Justice Point conversion alone guarantees I'm going to have /trade turned off and probably /general as well.

    You should have these turned off always.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    General isn't very bad at all, it's mostly trade.

    This thread title made me giggle by the way.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2010
    It pays to be a quick learner on patch day.

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  • DranythDranyth Surf ColoradoRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Bobble wrote: »
    So I'll have to relearn.... a lot of specs and playstyles for this patch.
    Mage (fire/arcane)
    Warrior (prot/fury... Arms?)
    Priest (All 3, because I haven't gotten to try Holy yet)
    Druid (Tree, Cat... Bear can wait)
    Shaman (Probably all 3)
    Paladin (Holy, Ret, I'll probably wait on Prot)
    DK (The entire goddamned class. I haven't touched it in months, maybe for the best)

    Sub-80:
    Hunter's at 71, and who knows, I may actually enjoy the class again with the overhaul
    Rogue's at 62, with heirlooms for both Mut and Combat
    Warlock I'll probably save for Cata, many moons down the road.


    .... shit D:

    Luckily the majority of those haven't changed too much! The only radical changes are DKs, Paladins and Hunters for major resource changes. Bear tanking changed a good amount too because it was boring as hell before.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2010
    Arms you have more buttons to work with. Same with prot. Otherwise it's the same gist.

    Ret Paladin isn't nearly a big deal to figure out. You want to use your abilities when you fill up your bar. Use a priority system on your procs. The end.

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  • BobbleBobble Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I'm not sure Prot warriors need more buttons.

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  • DiscoZombieDiscoZombie Registered User
    edited October 2010
    I really hope bear tanking will magically be fun now. bear tank is the facerollingest class of all, in a game of facerolling.


    ...soo, after someone's RankWatch alerted me to the fact that my newly 80'd shaman was using a downranked spell, I thanked him and promptly downloaded the addon to make sure it never happened again, and to do a public service to everyone around me.

    oh, the horror! Ignorance is bliss... get this addon and you will find that like 1 in 4 players use downranked versions of their core abilities... even people with 5000 gearscore... why god why...

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2010
    Are you disagreeing that you need more buttons on your bar or are you saying that we have enough to work with already?

    EDIT: The new buttons for prot are Rend, Heroic Strike, and Cleave. I might be missing one. Prior you could get away with a macro for HS and Cleave (I had them binded to my revenge key), but the change means that you need to use a button to specifically use them during a fight.

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  • CorriganXCorriganX Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Blame dual spec. It doesn't update your other spec's latest skills, so everytime you train you have to switch specs and replace the bars. I got yelled at alot on my paladin's healing spec, because I tanked through instances while leveling, so I trained with prot spec up. Didn't realize until 80 that I had to manually update everything.

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