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4 UPS planes found with "suspicious devices" on them. 3 in USA 1 in England.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-29/ups-planes-in-new-jersey-philadelphia-probed-after-suspicious-items-found.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39911024/ns/us_news-airliner_security/
Story is still fresh and moving, but apparently some kind of ink toner device rigged to be/to look like a bomb was found on a flight from Yemen to the US via the UK.
and that find prompted searches which found 3 more "suspicious devices" on planes in America.
There are also unconfirmed reports of another device being found on a truck in New York.
From what reputable news media have gotten from sources inside the justice department, apparently these discoveries are the result of intelligence gathering and not a declared threat by any group as of yet.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39911024/ns/us_news-airliner_security/
Story is still fresh and moving, but apparently some kind of ink toner device rigged to be/to look like a bomb was found on a flight from Yemen to the US via the UK.
and that find prompted searches which found 3 more "suspicious devices" on planes in America.
There are also unconfirmed reports of another device being found on a truck in New York.
From what reputable news media have gotten from sources inside the justice department, apparently these discoveries are the result of intelligence gathering and not a declared threat by any group as of yet.
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All NY airports are reporting business as usual, currently.
Breaking news: Canada has an air force.
My question about this is, are the devices actual like, ink-toners (that is, ink toners are part of the construction)? Is this just some sort of ploy to make people scared of something, rather than actually causing damage?
Also, it's depressing on a number of levels that there's such a thing as terrorism insurance.
It's actually an HP A12 laser cartridge, I recognized it because we use them at work. They're like $80 too, those terrorists must be rolling in money.
It could be nothing, it could be a joke, or it could be a dummy device planted to see what the response would be, on the assumption that if it wasn't detected they could build a bomb pretty easily out of a toner cartridge that size (about a foot long).
I believe they were CF-18s, which are F-18s we sold to Canada. So, yeah...technically.
Goddamn this is really funny to me. AHEM, anyway...
It could be like HamHam said, that even with dummy or mock devices, they can bring a business / industry to a temporary stop. Which does indeed incur financial damage.
I think they're jumping the shark, trying to get the headline scoop. Hasn't been confirmed anywhere I've seen.
A pretty unusual case to be honest, shipping bombs to their destinations from half the world away using UPS?
Or, they actually have a scoop and are releasing the core info ahead of an in-depth news article they are preparing. You know, how it actually happens.
Rendered inert? That certainly makes it sound like there was a real danger here.
Or, being as they just had a press conference live on television in which nothing like that was said, and Obama wasn't even in the room, they could be making stuff up.
e: Not making stuff up, per se, but running with unconfirmed stories in the hopes of getting the scoop. I'm not saying they're lying, I'm saying they're forgoing proper vetting in hopes of getting to say "First!"
Preferably not blow up my neighborhood, thanks. UPS already stomps in my packages half the time judging by how beat up the boxes are. I swear their workers like to play football puntsies with my parcels.
It wouldnt be a UPS delievery if the box didnt have tire and/or foot prints on it
Probably a dry run if anything terror related.
Well, that's unfair of me. I know it's bullshit because this The Washington Post article is saying the same thing.
Years ago during a forum Secret Satan I ended up going down to the UPS warehouse nearby to try and figure out what hole they lost my package down.
The combination of them sucking at finding my package and seeing them literally just throwing stuff towards the back of trucks pretty much put me off them altogether.
Ahhhh, we got our wires crossed. That article is talking about earlier events. I thought you were referencing the plane that just landed about an hour and a half ago, from this Washington Post article.
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I don't think they were inert or harmless initially.
No they were "rendered" inert and "apparently" contained explosive material, meaning they did something to make the bombs non-operable. Its possible they weren't functioning bombs but the information so far indicates that security believes they were explosives and that steps were taken
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda_in_the_Arabian_Peninsula
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Funny that.
I'm a little upset at the lack of real, reliable information I'm seeing. But my only sources are a muted CNN and a twitter feed.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Yeah, that sounds more like the inconsequential non-threat I'd expect from actual terrorists.
That'd be the normal thing to do I think but doing this on a plane might not be practical and they might want evidence
Ponyface no!
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Terror toys. That there's a toy Ayrabb horse.
Meanwhile, all the talking heads are saying we need more inspections when it's human intelligence that prevents this stuff.
All kinds of dumbgoosery
I took a graduate class in global supply chain management and operations and we talked a lot about all the various standards for cargo inspections and such
basically anyone who thinks we should just be checking all the cargo being moved into the US has no idea the scale of that task
I'll have to dig through some presentations but the amount of cargo we move in this country by plane is absolutely staggering - somewhere north of 40 million tons per year.
I wonder if they can check who was looking up the tracking information on the packages for delivery confirmation, since I'm assuming that's how they would've known to make the call to detonate it.
well if it was just explosives maybe, but if they had piggybacked some biomaterial or radiological material onto it, that could make things pretty bad especially if it went off in the air over land