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So my badly insulated rental college house is starting to bear the brunt of winter. We called our landlord and were all "Hey so the heat doesn't blow warm air, it blows cold air." And he told us we need to turn the gas on.
Turning the gas on? 330 buck deposit (which we don't really have).
So instead, I need what my roommate got! A portable heater. He recommended me one for about 50 with a theromstat built in and filled with oil that heats and circulates so it has no weird emissions and such, but I figured I'd check with the internet and see if they had anything I should look for or avoid. My room is carpeted, and the kitchen (directly outside my room) is tiled, so if I can roll it out there in the mornings that'd be great too.
If you do get a fan-based heater, never ever ever ever use it to maintain the heat - just use it to take the edge off. Trying to use one of those as your primary heater will quickly net you a very large electricity bill. If you do get one, get a ceramic one - the cheap ones that just heat metal coils are even less energy efficient.
But really, if you've got access to central heating, get that working because there's nothing cheaper or better at heating than a good central system. Beg and borrow to get that $300, because it will definitely save you in the long run (and once you do get it, put every other heater you have in storage, as it's generally cheaper to run the central - even if it's heating the whole house and you just need one room warm).
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edited November 2010
Heaters may be good for raising your personal temperature, but as a landlord myself, I would recommend you get that gas heat on. The last thing you want is the pipes to freeze, say in the wall, and then you're likely going to be out your security deposit, which I'm assuming is more than the deposit for the gas?
Check your lease. It's weird that he's not required to provide fucking heat.
Yeah. That's pretty weird. I'd also make sure that it's kosher for them to do that even if it's in the lease to, so, local renter's association and all that.
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Check your lease. It's weird that he's not required to provide fucking heat.
Where I live (Iowa) it's not weird at all. The rental company I currently have is nice enough to remind people to keep the heat at a certain minimum to avoid pipe freezes, but they aren't required to provide anything and we aren't required to listen to the advice (at our own risk).
My roommate and I typically run the heat pretty low and then use oil heaters in the bedrooms and/or sweaters/blankets/etc. You definitely want to maintain a minimum heat level to avoid pipes freezing.
If you can't make the gas deposit, get out and make some money. Sell plasma, pick up cans, look around the papers and school for short term or day jobs, get a loan from the parents, whatever you need to do. Yea, it'll suck but it's better than freezing and much better than losing your deposit for letting your pipes freeze.
Yeah that was brought up last night. We'll definitely be checking into it there. We did have to put down a deposit for utilities as well.
Hm. That seems out of the ordinary but I have heard of that in the past. Usually to turn them on. It's odd that the heat would be separate. Though I can see why if it was a rental house, turning off the gas when no one's there. It should've been included in the utility deposit though.
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It's my understanding that leaving the faucets dripping overnight (Like my dad makes us do at my childhood home) works to prevent that freezing. Obviously this would be safer with heat, but will the running water aspect not keep them from freezing as well?
Check your lease. It's weird that he's not required to provide fucking heat.
Where I live (Iowa) it's not weird at all. The rental company I currently have is nice enough to remind people to keep the heat at a certain minimum to avoid pipe freezes, but they aren't required to provide anything and we aren't required to listen to the advice (at our own risk).
My roommate and I typically run the heat pretty low and then use oil heaters in the bedrooms and/or sweaters/blankets/etc. You definitely want to maintain a minimum heat level to avoid pipes freezing.
If you can't make the gas deposit, get out and make some money. Sell plasma, pick up cans, look around the papers and school for short term or day jobs, get a loan from the parents, whatever you need to do. Yea, it'll suck but it's better than freezing and much better than losing your deposit for letting your pipes freeze.
Are you sure it's less "not weird" and more "I can get away with this because people don't challenge me?" Obviously if heat is not included in your rent I would assume that heat must be "turned on" meaning, being functioning, and then the renter pays for the bill. Like electric. Essentially, the utilities deposit that some places charge. Why heat would be excluded from that? Places not Florida, California, and Texas it is especially strange, for lack of a better word.
It's my understanding that leaving the faucets dripping overnight (Like my dad makes us do at my childhood home) works to prevent that freezing. Obviously this would be safer with heat, but will the running water aspect not keep them from freezing as well?
Slow moving water can freeze too. Just has to be colder to do it.
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not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
Are you sure it's less "not weird" and more "I can get away with this because people don't challenge me?" Obviously if heat is not included in your rent I would assume that heat must be "turned on" meaning, being functioning, and then the renter pays for the bill. Like electric. Essentially, the utilities deposit that some places charge. Why heat would be excluded from that? Places not Florida, California, and Texas it is especially strange, for lack of a better word.
If they don't provide heat in the rent then yes, they have to make sure the equipment to heat the place functions. They don't have to make sure we can afford to run the heat or afford to pay the utility company a deposit is what I meant. Obviously it's in their best interest to make sure the income is enough to pay rent along with other bills to avoid damage issues, but that still doesn't obligate them to make sure we save money for heat instead of buying other stuff.
Perhaps I misunderstood Thanatos. It sounded like he was implying that the landlord is required to provide heat regardless of if the renter has money or not. Which may well be depending on local laws, but I don't know of any requirements like that anywhere I've lived and rented a place.
Naw, just that it sounded suspicious that "is blowing cold air" "Well you have to pay money for someone to turn on your heat" seems odd. Doubly so with a utilities deposit. I'd imagine it's probably cheaper just to use space heaters anyways, heat only the rooms you're in. But if the rooms are huge meh.
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As has been mentioned, plug-in heaters can easily run you a larger bill than gas heaters, which is something to consider.
Also, how high are the ceilings? It sucks to pay just to heat the space you don't use, so having a fan on can help distribute heat faster in large or lofty rooms.
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Ceilings are pretty low, fairly small house. The house is also pretty badly insulated, definitely been planning on working on that. Only 3 people in the house and we're in and out at different times, so heating just the room we're in seems to be the best plan.
Check your lease. It's weird that he's not required to provide fucking heat.
Yeah. That's pretty weird. I'd also make sure that it's kosher for them to do that even if it's in the lease to, so, local renter's association and all that.
It probably falls under utilities, in that the renter needs to establish an account with the respective agency. Seeing as how this is a college town and college housing, the deposit is there to ensure deadbeat students don't skip town without paying their bill. My local electric company does the same thing with all new accounts (500 dollar deposit), but if you have any credit history at all, call up the gas company and tell them. I did and I had the deposit waived because I have good credit.
Also, Sniper, are your windows single or double pane? If they're the cheap single pain, I'd recommend going to Home Depot and picking up some plastic sheeting to tape over the windows. It's ugly as hell, but it does a decent job of reducing heat loss through the windows.
On a related note. What should one do to help winterize an apartment. I have one window and a large sliding glass door, neither of which are good at keeping cold air out. I know of putting plastic over the window but I'm not sure what I can do about my balcony door.
On a related note. What should one do to help winterize an apartment. I have one window and a large sliding glass door, neither of which are good at keeping cold air out. I know of putting plastic over the window but I'm not sure what I can do about my balcony door.
Heavy fabric curtain. It will do wonders, and may look nice to boot. If you can afford it, go for it.
On a related note. What should one do to help winterize an apartment. I have one window and a large sliding glass door, neither of which are good at keeping cold air out. I know of putting plastic over the window but I'm not sure what I can do about my balcony door.
If the seal around the door isn't very good, there is weather proofing strip stuff you can buy. It's pretty much foam with sticky stuff on one side, but it works rather well. It's easy to find with the other weather proofing materials in stores.
A blanket can also work if you don't have or don't want to buy curtains as long as you don't mind that you are hanging a blanket over your door. If you don't have a spare blanket, check around at local hotels if they have any unusable blankets they might be willing to get rid of. I work in hotels and employees take home "ruined" blankets all the time, stuff like a small hole = unusable for a guest room, but still a perfectly serviceable blanket otherwise.
I'm thinking the heavy drapping for the door is a no go. The area involved would make it prohibitively expensive for me. I'm thinking of going to a hardware store tonight and seeing what kind of non-permanent caulking is available.
I'm thinking the heavy drapping for the door is a no go. The area involved would make it prohibitively expensive for me. I'm thinking of going to a hardware store tonight and seeing what kind of non-permanent caulking is available.
Even non-permanent caulk could make it so the door cannot be opened. Be sure this isn't a fire hazard.
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But really, if you've got access to central heating, get that working because there's nothing cheaper or better at heating than a good central system. Beg and borrow to get that $300, because it will definitely save you in the long run (and once you do get it, put every other heater you have in storage, as it's generally cheaper to run the central - even if it's heating the whole house and you just need one room warm).
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Yeah. That's pretty weird. I'd also make sure that it's kosher for them to do that even if it's in the lease to, so, local renter's association and all that.
Where I live (Iowa) it's not weird at all. The rental company I currently have is nice enough to remind people to keep the heat at a certain minimum to avoid pipe freezes, but they aren't required to provide anything and we aren't required to listen to the advice (at our own risk).
My roommate and I typically run the heat pretty low and then use oil heaters in the bedrooms and/or sweaters/blankets/etc. You definitely want to maintain a minimum heat level to avoid pipes freezing.
If you can't make the gas deposit, get out and make some money. Sell plasma, pick up cans, look around the papers and school for short term or day jobs, get a loan from the parents, whatever you need to do. Yea, it'll suck but it's better than freezing and much better than losing your deposit for letting your pipes freeze.
Hm. That seems out of the ordinary but I have heard of that in the past. Usually to turn them on. It's odd that the heat would be separate. Though I can see why if it was a rental house, turning off the gas when no one's there. It should've been included in the utility deposit though.
Are you sure it's less "not weird" and more "I can get away with this because people don't challenge me?" Obviously if heat is not included in your rent I would assume that heat must be "turned on" meaning, being functioning, and then the renter pays for the bill. Like electric. Essentially, the utilities deposit that some places charge. Why heat would be excluded from that? Places not Florida, California, and Texas it is especially strange, for lack of a better word.
Slow moving water can freeze too. Just has to be colder to do it.
If they don't provide heat in the rent then yes, they have to make sure the equipment to heat the place functions. They don't have to make sure we can afford to run the heat or afford to pay the utility company a deposit is what I meant. Obviously it's in their best interest to make sure the income is enough to pay rent along with other bills to avoid damage issues, but that still doesn't obligate them to make sure we save money for heat instead of buying other stuff.
Perhaps I misunderstood Thanatos. It sounded like he was implying that the landlord is required to provide heat regardless of if the renter has money or not. Which may well be depending on local laws, but I don't know of any requirements like that anywhere I've lived and rented a place.
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can really help your house retain heat if it's otherwise leaky or single-paned windows.
As has been mentioned, plug-in heaters can easily run you a larger bill than gas heaters, which is something to consider.
Also, how high are the ceilings? It sucks to pay just to heat the space you don't use, so having a fan on can help distribute heat faster in large or lofty rooms.
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It probably falls under utilities, in that the renter needs to establish an account with the respective agency. Seeing as how this is a college town and college housing, the deposit is there to ensure deadbeat students don't skip town without paying their bill. My local electric company does the same thing with all new accounts (500 dollar deposit), but if you have any credit history at all, call up the gas company and tell them. I did and I had the deposit waived because I have good credit.
Also, Sniper, are your windows single or double pane? If they're the cheap single pain, I'd recommend going to Home Depot and picking up some plastic sheeting to tape over the windows. It's ugly as hell, but it does a decent job of reducing heat loss through the windows.
Heavy fabric curtain. It will do wonders, and may look nice to boot. If you can afford it, go for it.
If the seal around the door isn't very good, there is weather proofing strip stuff you can buy. It's pretty much foam with sticky stuff on one side, but it works rather well. It's easy to find with the other weather proofing materials in stores.
A blanket can also work if you don't have or don't want to buy curtains as long as you don't mind that you are hanging a blanket over your door. If you don't have a spare blanket, check around at local hotels if they have any unusable blankets they might be willing to get rid of. I work in hotels and employees take home "ruined" blankets all the time, stuff like a small hole = unusable for a guest room, but still a perfectly serviceable blanket otherwise.
Even non-permanent caulk could make it so the door cannot be opened. Be sure this isn't a fire hazard.
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