Pinging the minimap to show which way the MIA champ went and their likely target destination has a similar effect.
This is what I've always done, but I've had a recent influx of complaining (during my solo ques) about not actually typing it. I'd assume the pings along a projected path would be a bigger attention catching device but perhaps not.
There is aboslutely no way trist can fight him at all, what the fuck do you do? By level 10 his life leach kills me in 5 hits, he can tank my auto attack.
Is trist even a good choice for solo mid? There are just so many heros that completely shut her down in mid she doesn't seem worth it. Either I hug the tower and I lose half my kills to the turret and I don't get enough money, fall behind and lose or I push out from the tower and then die and I never get enough money and fall behind and lose.
Then if I don't mid with her I will never get the items I need to be good at all, I just do so little damage unless I get certain items at certain points in the game.
Vald's strength peaks at level 9, when his lifedrain spell has a 2 second cd.
What you can do as Trist is to make use of your superior range and dominate him until then, know when he wants to do cast his nuke on you, draw him back to your ranged creeps and then turn to fire at him when he does nuke you.
Just remember that he can't win in an autoattack fight and most likely has to retreat after he did his nuke. Punish him by firing more shots at him. If you can, you should always put your heal debuff on him as well
At level 9 onwards, it is really hard to solo lane vs a vlad. Call for help, lane switch and gank.
This is what I've always done, but I've had a recent influx of complaining (during my solo ques) about not actually typing it. I'd assume the pings along a projected path would be a bigger attention catching device but perhaps not.
Ah. You're talking about solo queue.
For the sake of practice, I call MIA in solo queue anyway, but a lot of puggies won't react to MIA calls or map pings, so it's not really an environment that demonstrates why MIA calls are a good thing.
If he wants to drain you, he has to move forward. Make him move next to your ranged creeps so that you have the creep advantage and fight him then.
It didn't seem to matter really, he would run into range, I would auto attack him once and he would drain me. It isn't a very fair exchange at that point so I would run.
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The Competitive Rune Analysis / Ranking link is great. Any tips on Masteries? Where to put the points into, for a beginning player? I'm more or less looking for tips for good "rule of thumb" builds.
There is aboslutely no way trist can fight him at all, what the fuck do you do? By level 10 his life leach kills me in 5 hits, he can tank my auto attack.
Is trist even a good choice for solo mid? There are just so many heros that completely shut her down in mid she doesn't seem worth it. Either I hug the tower and I lose half my kills to the turret and I don't get enough money, fall behind and lose or I push out from the tower and then die and I never get enough money and fall behind and lose.
Then if I don't mid with her I will never get the items I need to be good at all, I just do so little damage unless I get certain items at certain points in the game.
I have the same problem. My solution, as it were, was Ignite. It's not a perfect solution, but it helps.
And yes Trist is a great mid. ALL champions have counter-champions out there. Every single one. There is no perfect champion that is unbeatable.
No, not even LeBlanc.
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I just started playing the game, still learning the basics. Signed up in the spreadsheet.
The Competitive Rune Analysis / Ranking link is great. Any tips on Masteries? Where to put the points into, for a beginning player? I'm more or less looking for tips for good "rule of thumb" builds.
Thanks.
When you're just starting out, it's best to put points into the Utility tree. The early masteries in that tree I feel give the best advantages (along with the tree as a whole being miles better than the other two).
Also, Vlad is a REALLY good anti-carry mid. He will eat squishies and conventional mids. If he's being aggressive as hell and no one wants to swap lanes with you, sometimes it's best just to let him push a bit and farm at tower until you can call in a gank. I feel like the best counter mid to Vlad is Morde or Morgana; ie survivable casters who have a way of ignoring his harass.
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a. You can more easily tell the difference between "about to spin and win from the bush" and "left to go gank mid by river," than they can, even if they stare at the minimap all the time.
b. In intense fights, you cannot always watch the minimap. I try to get first blood and the most creep kills in the laning phase, but doing so requires devoting a lot of attention.
c. When you're playing as part of a team, you need to communicate all useful information. For examle, Varega calls out the cooldown on his Shen ultimate usually 3-4 times per cooldown. This lets everyone know how aggressive they can be.
Point A doesn't really make sense, if I see someone leave, my meta-cognitive abilities aside, I am in no better position to impart enemy intention then a ward would. In fact, a ward between the lanes would do a better job then me guessing.
Wards are for mid / late game.
Point B is just silly, the fighting is so intense you stopped to read but couldn't stop to look at the minimap? That just doesn't jive.
Well, I'm more talking about vent, but in either case, yes. Looking at the minimap requires a bit more effort than a MIA call.
Point C is something else entirely and more along the times of analyzing enemy tactics then simply whether they are missing.
It's part and parcel of the same.
I'm not saying MIA's are bad, but I question the overall effectiveness of the concept (when typing them).
There is aboslutely no way trist can fight him at all, what the fuck do you do? By level 10 his life leach kills me in 5 hits, he can tank my auto attack.
Kill him early. Grab your healing debuff skill. Grab MR. But yeah, a good Vlad is a hard fight for Trist.
There is aboslutely no way trist can fight him at all, what the fuck do you do? By level 10 his life leach kills me in 5 hits, he can tank my auto attack.
Is trist even a good choice for solo mid? There are just so many heros that completely shut her down in mid she doesn't seem worth it. Either I hug the tower and I lose half my kills to the turret and I don't get enough money, fall behind and lose or I push out from the tower and then die and I never get enough money and fall behind and lose.
Then if I don't mid with her I will never get the items I need to be good at all, I just do so little damage unless I get certain items at certain points in the game.
I have the same problem. My solution, as it were, was Ignite. It's not a perfect solution, but it helps.
And yes Trist is a great mid. ALL champions have counter-champions out there. Every single one. There is no perfect champion that is unbeatable.
No, not even LeBlanc.
LeBlanc has a few very hard counters. Vlad and Mord are amazing vs. her.
That said, most mid matchups are close enough to similar it comes down to skill / itemization.
There is aboslutely no way trist can fight him at all, what the fuck do you do? By level 10 his life leach kills me in 5 hits, he can tank my auto attack.
Is trist even a good choice for solo mid? There are just so many heros that completely shut her down in mid she doesn't seem worth it. Either I hug the tower and I lose half my kills to the turret and I don't get enough money, fall behind and lose or I push out from the tower and then die and I never get enough money and fall behind and lose.
Then if I don't mid with her I will never get the items I need to be good at all, I just do so little damage unless I get certain items at certain points in the game.
I have the same problem. My solution, as it were, was Ignite. It's not a perfect solution, but it helps.
And yes Trist is a great mid. ALL champions have counter-champions out there. Every single one. There is no perfect champion that is unbeatable.
No, not even LeBlanc.
Sona has no hard counter. She is an OP bitch and I want her removed from the game.
Re: Vlad - he's a monster in mid. I can duke it out with him using AP Cho'Gath because Carnivore keeps me in the green against Transfusion in the early game and Feral Scream can prevent him from pooling whenever he wants (or force an unfavorable pool to dodge the scream), but anyone who doesn't have some nice self-healing mechanism and/or CC has their work cut out for them.
Basically, you have to camp your tower and do your best to time tower hits with your auto-attacks to maintain half decent farm. Don't try to do something that you think will be cute or clever, because odds are that Vlad can pool out of it and punish you for it (I once watched a Trist at maybe half life get a Vlad low with Buster Shot, and she Rocket Jumped at him because she thought she had him. Pool -> Ulti -> Transfusion. Dead Trist). Play it safe and just accept that while the laning phase is still ongoing, you're going to be behind the damn vampire in creep kills.
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Vlad is a good solo queue character because he does everything well if played right (tough, moderate damage, good chasing, good escaping, good farming, etc).
I second the vote for Vlad. He is extremely punishing against a fair spread of champs and even with a bad matchup he can farm safely with Q and E. He has a solid escape in pool and an ult that makes everyone more effective as well as acting like a giant Zilean bomb. All that and no matter what he gets pretty beefy with his ap<->hp conversion; which also allows him to pseudo tank with some choice mitigation picks while still doing damage.
annnd when you have a good game with him you just feel like a supreme dick and get to the point where you just go crazy nuts.
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I could get three speed quints at once too.
Though to be honest I'll probably go with Vlad, I didn't get the hang of him last time I played him but this could change with some help. That, or I wait for Irelia to come out.
Though to be honest I'll probably go with Vlad, I didn't get the hang of him last time I played him but this could change with some help. That, or I wait for Irelia to come out.
Very quickly:
1. Never buy any item without a defensive purpose (Zhonya's counts b/c of the active)
2. Level R - q - w - e. More specifically, take one rank of E at 4 and 10, then leave it be.
3. Take Ghost + Ignite
4. Take a solo 1v2 or mid
5. Own face. There are soft counters to Vlad, but no hard counters to him, so the only way people will beat you is if they are better than you.
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Sona has no hard counter. She is an OP bitch and I want her removed from the game.
During laning, put champions like Gragas, Malphite, and Shen in her lane. They all resist harass incredibly well and she really can't take that much damage back.
You should have some idea of what their intent is, so if they're just hanging out in one of the long bushes on top or bottom, waiting to try to jump out at you, an MIA call is unnecessary, but if you've lost sight and think they might be headed toward another lane you should let people know. If you can't tell, you should let people know. If the approaches are warded, let people know where someone is heading.
Actually, a high level tactic is to go sit in the bush repeatedly, then b from inside the bush after you've grown accustomed to it and go gank another lane. Always call MIA even if you think they're in the bush.
There is aboslutely no way trist can fight him at all, what the fuck do you do? By level 10 his life leach kills me in 5 hits, he can tank my auto attack.
Early Negatron friend. Really ruins his day.
I might consider seeing how Swain works against Vlad. Vlad's superior range would be hella annoying, but Swain can force fights with his root and is one of the best attrition fighters out there.
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That Rammus in my game just had no idea when fighting was not such a good idea, it was rather sad.
Also, it was actually a 3v4 at one point 'cause MF was idling in fountain for a few minutes for some unknown reason.
Yeah I think I had one of those in my last game. Like, once he was engaged in combat, he never attempted to run away and had no concern for his own survival. Was basically a free kill once I lured him into minions.
Was offset by an Annie that was destroying worlds though.
Okay the thing you need to remember about Vlad is that he sucks early-early game. Like, seriously. You might think he doesn't because of how strong his mid-game is (it's intimidatingly strong), but levels 1-5, he is horribly weak. The way to beat Vlad is to punish him and deny him and gank him and frustrate the hell out of him before his abilities start to get too strong to handle.
Now, yes, there are a few champions who just fucking near impossible to counter with Tristana. LeBlanc is one of them, you can't keep up with her harass and you can't outburst her, so good luck. Kennen is another one I struggle a shitload with but I'm not sure whether I'm playing against him wrong or whether he's really just that good against Tristana.
But against the vast majority of champions she is a great solo mid. Once again, she has great burst damage, great escapes, so-so harass, and once she starts getting up in levels, good range. She's not the best in the game but she's in the top 10 or so, I think.
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Somebody mentioned on the Riot forums that almost all of the new champions they release start out being ridiculously strong laners. It's a kind of irritating transparent thing for them to do in order to drive up sales, because a lot of people equate dominating solo mid with being powerful, so that makes them want to buy the champion.
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Galio is not that strong a laner.
-_-
Lux really doesn't come into her own until mid-game either.
Galio is a really strong laner with the caveat "for a tank" in my opinion.
I think Lux can hold her own solo but yeah she's not amazing or anything.
re: Galio
Not really.
Tanks that are strong laners:
Gragas
Malphite
Cho'Gath
Shen
Mordekaiser
Galio would not generally be considered in that category.
IME, Lux cannot solo well. She needs to autoattack in conjunction with her spells in order to either efficiently harass or clear a creepwave off the tower and with her not so good autoattack range, she puts herself at risk doing so.
I would put Galio at about the same level as maybe half of those.
I've seen Lux do decently well in a lane by abusing her AoE whatsitcalled spell (I think it's her E) for both harass and last hitting. Pre-level 6 you don't have to be scared she's going to kill you and she's not going to zone you out, but she can harass effectively and get last hits, and once she gets her ult she has pretty good burst damage mid-game.
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Making a tier list for solo queue just seems idiotic because by nature it's really chaotic and disorganized and there's not that much of a consistent metagame.
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This is what I've always done, but I've had a recent influx of complaining (during my solo ques) about not actually typing it. I'd assume the pings along a projected path would be a bigger attention catching device but perhaps not.
I wouldn't know as I have never posted on that subject.
There is aboslutely no way trist can fight him at all, what the fuck do you do? By level 10 his life leach kills me in 5 hits, he can tank my auto attack.
Is trist even a good choice for solo mid? There are just so many heros that completely shut her down in mid she doesn't seem worth it. Either I hug the tower and I lose half my kills to the turret and I don't get enough money, fall behind and lose or I push out from the tower and then die and I never get enough money and fall behind and lose.
Then if I don't mid with her I will never get the items I need to be good at all, I just do so little damage unless I get certain items at certain points in the game.
What you can do as Trist is to make use of your superior range and dominate him until then, know when he wants to do cast his nuke on you, draw him back to your ranged creeps and then turn to fire at him when he does nuke you.
Just remember that he can't win in an autoattack fight and most likely has to retreat after he did his nuke. Punish him by firing more shots at him. If you can, you should always put your heal debuff on him as well
At level 9 onwards, it is really hard to solo lane vs a vlad. Call for help, lane switch and gank.
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Ah. You're talking about solo queue.
For the sake of practice, I call MIA in solo queue anyway, but a lot of puggies won't react to MIA calls or map pings, so it's not really an environment that demonstrates why MIA calls are a good thing.
Yay Shen with full mana regen runes.
It didn't seem to matter really, he would run into range, I would auto attack him once and he would drain me. It isn't a very fair exchange at that point so I would run.
I just started playing the game, still learning the basics. Signed up in the spreadsheet.
The Competitive Rune Analysis / Ranking link is great. Any tips on Masteries? Where to put the points into, for a beginning player? I'm more or less looking for tips for good "rule of thumb" builds.
Thanks.
I have the same problem. My solution, as it were, was Ignite. It's not a perfect solution, but it helps.
And yes Trist is a great mid. ALL champions have counter-champions out there. Every single one. There is no perfect champion that is unbeatable.
No, not even LeBlanc.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
When you're just starting out, it's best to put points into the Utility tree. The early masteries in that tree I feel give the best advantages (along with the tree as a whole being miles better than the other two).
Also, Vlad is a REALLY good anti-carry mid. He will eat squishies and conventional mids. If he's being aggressive as hell and no one wants to swap lanes with you, sometimes it's best just to let him push a bit and farm at tower until you can call in a gank. I feel like the best counter mid to Vlad is Morde or Morgana; ie survivable casters who have a way of ignoring his harass.
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
Wards are for mid / late game.
Well, I'm more talking about vent, but in either case, yes. Looking at the minimap requires a bit more effort than a MIA call.
It's part and parcel of the same.
It is less effective typed, but still important.
Kill him early. Grab your healing debuff skill. Grab MR. But yeah, a good Vlad is a hard fight for Trist.
LeBlanc has a few very hard counters. Vlad and Mord are amazing vs. her.
That said, most mid matchups are close enough to similar it comes down to skill / itemization.
Sona has no hard counter. She is an OP bitch and I want her removed from the game.
Re: Vlad - he's a monster in mid. I can duke it out with him using AP Cho'Gath because Carnivore keeps me in the green against Transfusion in the early game and Feral Scream can prevent him from pooling whenever he wants (or force an unfavorable pool to dodge the scream), but anyone who doesn't have some nice self-healing mechanism and/or CC has their work cut out for them.
Basically, you have to camp your tower and do your best to time tower hits with your auto-attacks to maintain half decent farm. Don't try to do something that you think will be cute or clever, because odds are that Vlad can pool out of it and punish you for it (I once watched a Trist at maybe half life get a Vlad low with Buster Shot, and she Rocket Jumped at him because she thought she had him. Pool -> Ulti -> Transfusion. Dead Trist). Play it safe and just accept that while the laning phase is still ongoing, you're going to be behind the damn vampire in creep kills.
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Vlad is a good solo queue character because he does everything well if played right (tough, moderate damage, good chasing, good escaping, good farming, etc).
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annnd when you have a good game with him you just feel like a supreme dick and get to the point where you just go crazy nuts.
Though to be honest I'll probably go with Vlad, I didn't get the hang of him last time I played him but this could change with some help. That, or I wait for Irelia to come out.
Very quickly:
1. Never buy any item without a defensive purpose (Zhonya's counts b/c of the active)
2. Level R - q - w - e. More specifically, take one rank of E at 4 and 10, then leave it be.
3. Take Ghost + Ignite
4. Take a solo 1v2 or mid
5. Own face. There are soft counters to Vlad, but no hard counters to him, so the only way people will beat you is if they are better than you.
Actually, a high level tactic is to go sit in the bush repeatedly, then b from inside the bush after you've grown accustomed to it and go gank another lane. Always call MIA even if you think they're in the bush.
Early Negatron friend. Really ruins his day.
I might consider seeing how Swain works against Vlad. Vlad's superior range would be hella annoying, but Swain can force fights with his root and is one of the best attrition fighters out there.
Yeah I think I had one of those in my last game. Like, once he was engaged in combat, he never attempted to run away and had no concern for his own survival. Was basically a free kill once I lured him into minions.
Was offset by an Annie that was destroying worlds though.
Or just the ones I am in? Shit.
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I would have guessed this was linked already and berated appropriately.
If this doesn't prove he's trolling, I don't know what does.
In my experience it's pretty common
Now, yes, there are a few champions who just fucking near impossible to counter with Tristana. LeBlanc is one of them, you can't keep up with her harass and you can't outburst her, so good luck. Kennen is another one I struggle a shitload with but I'm not sure whether I'm playing against him wrong or whether he's really just that good against Tristana.
But against the vast majority of champions she is a great solo mid. Once again, she has great burst damage, great escapes, so-so harass, and once she starts getting up in levels, good range. She's not the best in the game but she's in the top 10 or so, I think.
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-_-
Lux really doesn't come into her own until mid-game either.
I think Lux can hold her own solo but yeah she's not amazing or anything.
Not really.
Tanks that are strong laners:
Gragas
Malphite
Cho'Gath
Shen
Mordekaiser
Galio would not generally be considered in that category.
IME, Lux cannot solo well. She needs to autoattack in conjunction with her spells in order to either efficiently harass or clear a creepwave off the tower and with her not so good autoattack range, she puts herself at risk doing so.
I've seen Lux do decently well in a lane by abusing her AoE whatsitcalled spell (I think it's her E) for both harass and last hitting. Pre-level 6 you don't have to be scared she's going to kill you and she's not going to zone you out, but she can harass effectively and get last hits, and once she gets her ult she has pretty good burst damage mid-game.
No seriously, his 5v5 list might be fine but this is just dumb.
I mean, half of it doesn't make sense AT ALL.