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KotOR: We Hate Taris More then Skywalkers Hate Sand!
So, KotOR was this obscure RPG made by some small Canadian studio no one ever heard of. I've heard good things, though.
Booting it up, it hasn't aged well, but the writing and voicework is still top notch. The combat is smooth, the skills are varied, and the guns are useless, clumsy, savage weapons. Everyone looks like Kryten, but once you get past that it is probably the finest WRPG of it's generation.
Kotor 2 would have been better, apart from where they forgot to finish it. But then again, it wouldn't be an Obsidian game if they actually finished making it.
Honestly, I hated KotOR 2. I never felt like the group was a cohesive unit the way Revan's team was. 1 had a classic Star Wars plot, but 2 felt like a jumbled mismatch of plots. Atris vs. Traya vs. Nihilus. vs. Revan. vs. Exile vs. Jedi vs. Sith vs. Mandalorians vs. True Sith. It all felt so clunky. And then you had the eldritch abomination that goes down is a few hits.
Kotor 2 would have been better, apart from where they forgot to finish it. But then again, it wouldn't be an Obsidian game if they actually finished making it.
I thought that that confrontation at Dantooine was a fine ending.
It had better more complete systems, better story and more options.
Only thing it lacked was a finished ending, what was there was okay but left you feeling a little short changed. The awesomeness of the writing, especially of Kreia makes up for it though, she is brilliant to talk to.
I'd love to see Bioware go back and release an official widescreen patch that works with the Steam version of KOTOR. I hate playing it windowed, and the community hack requires you get to get an alternative executable from less than trustworthy sites and put it in the Steam folder (which can get your account banned) and THEN get another program that fixes the hud and ugh its way too much of a headache.
And yeah, KOTOR III while I'm wishing. MMOs just aren't my bag, at least as they're designed today.
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TrippyJingMoses supposes his toeses are roses.But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered Userregular
edited November 2010
I can't even get two hours into KOTOR II because of the frigging bugs.
Yes. Apparently doing good is bad because it could maybe lead to bad things but being bad is also bad because it is bad.
Unless Revan did it.
Or did he?
Being good without considering the long term consequences is just shallow feel goodness that accomplishes little to nothing in the face of an entire galaxy in need of healing. If you want to actually do "good" you have to play the long game just as much as the bad guys.
Which by the way is not related to the Exile's "answer" but you veered off onto a completely different aspect of Kreia's teachings so there ya go.
Yes. Apparently doing good is bad because it could maybe lead to bad things but being bad is also bad because it is bad.
Unless Revan did it.
Or did he?
Being good without considering the long term consequences is just shallow feel goodness that accomplishes little to nothing in the face of an entire galaxy in need of healing. If you want to actually do "good" you have to play the long game just as much as the bad guys.
Which by the way is not related to the Exile's "answer" but you veered off onto a completely different aspect of Kreia's teachings so there ya go.
That message might be better if it wasn't coming from a Dark Lord of the Sith.
Yes. Apparently doing good is bad because it could maybe lead to bad things but being bad is also bad because it is bad.
Unless Revan did it.
Or did he?
Being good without considering the long term consequences is just shallow feel goodness that accomplishes little to nothing in the face of an entire galaxy in need of healing. If you want to actually do "good" you have to play the long game just as much as the bad guys.
Which by the way is not related to the Exile's "answer" but you veered off onto a completely different aspect of Kreia's teachings so there ya go.
That message might be better if it wasn't coming from a Dark Lord of the Sith.
You know how KOTOR and KOTOR II are on the backwards compatibility list for 360?.. yeah, they shouldn't be on that list..
--my poor old xbox went poop-
KOTOR was a fantastic game, even with its stupid make one choice and your instantly evil section. (some funny evil character moments though after that.)
And here's a little tip, the Sith are evil. They have to be in order to channel the Dark Side. It's why you don't see any Darths just handing out flowers and bunnies.
And here's a little tip, the Sith are evil. They have to be in order to channel the Dark Side. It's why you don't see any Darths just handing out flowers and bunnies.
they must have released some extra updates since the last time I tried. (before the NXE) because II ran fine until you got into combat, then it ran like mud and I had no idea what was going on as everything hopped skipped and lagged all over.
And here's a little tip, the Sith are evil. They have to be in order to channel the Dark Side. It's why you don't see any Darths just handing out flowers and bunnies.
Afaik it's more that the Dark Side corrupts, not that you HAVE to be evil to use it, it will corrupt you into evil though.
But there are examples in Star Wars of Grey Jedi who manage to walk the path between the Dark Side and the Light Side.
That said keeping a strict balance isn't what Kreia advocated, she advocated always being aware of your actions and their long term effects. Basically to mastermind everything. She disliked the pure Dark Side Sith teachings as much as she did the pure Light Side Jedi teachings. To her they were both facets of the same futile way of doing things, focus on a short term action at the cost of the long term goal.
And here's a little tip, the Sith are evil. They have to be in order to channel the Dark Side. It's why you don't see any Darths just handing out flowers and bunnies.
What I was trying to get you to process is that Kreia is not a Sith.
It's a useful role for manipulating events. She no more operates under their philosophy nor furthers their goals than you or I. Due in no small part to things like
She also wanted to kill the force. That is as much against the Dark Side stuff as it is against the Light Side stuff.
And the fact that destroying the Jedi Council was the exact opposite of her goal. Which is why she berates you for being a retard if you go the full Dark Side route.
I really enjoyed the first game but the second was so disappointing. The first part was worst than taris, the middle was ok and the whole ending section was terrible.
I prefer KotOR 1 to KotOR 2 for a number of reasons
1) feels more Star Wars-y
Funny, that is why I prefer KOTOR 2.
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Olivawgood name, isn't it?the foot of mt fujiRegistered Userregular
edited November 2010
I don't know
Sometimes, on occasion, I think that KotOR 2 misses the point of Star Wars
Adding depth to the Force and treating it beyond simple black and white/light and dark/good and evil is not what swashbuckling space fantasy is all about
But I sort of like what they did with the Exile and Revan's character through that sequel, even if I hated Kreia and most of the supporting characters
So I don't really know how I feel about it I guess
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But really, I tried playing it again a few months ago when it was $2 on steam, and just couldn't hack how horrible the PC interface was
in TOR or I'm going to go all pissy we didn't get KotOR 3 again.
Actually, Neverwinter Nights was my first. I only beat the first act.
I liked the new robes and upgrades, though.
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I thought that that confrontation at Dantooine was a fine ending.
AND THEN EXILE WAS THE NIHILUS
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It was always an inward trekking journey, as with Planescape, and the Exile found his Transcendant One and his answer.
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It had better more complete systems, better story and more options.
Only thing it lacked was a finished ending, what was there was okay but left you feeling a little short changed. The awesomeness of the writing, especially of Kreia makes up for it though, she is brilliant to talk to.
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I think you need to replay it, because you seem to be taking the answer as presented by the Jedi Council as the truth. Did you even listen to Kreia?
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Unless Revan did it.
Or did he?
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And yeah, KOTOR III while I'm wishing. MMOs just aren't my bag, at least as they're designed today.
Being good without considering the long term consequences is just shallow feel goodness that accomplishes little to nothing in the face of an entire galaxy in need of healing. If you want to actually do "good" you have to play the long game just as much as the bad guys.
Which by the way is not related to the Exile's "answer" but you veered off onto a completely different aspect of Kreia's teachings so there ya go.
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That message might be better if it wasn't coming from a Dark Lord of the Sith.
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Read through this if you haven't already. It explains everything.
I mean everything.
That is a hat she wore, yes.
What's your point?
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--my poor old xbox went poop-
KOTOR was a fantastic game, even with its stupid make one choice and your instantly evil section. (some funny evil character moments though after that.)
And here's a little tip, the Sith are evil. They have to be in order to channel the Dark Side. It's why you don't see any Darths just handing out flowers and bunnies.
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2 does some wierd sound things, but that's about it.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
What if they were evil flowers and bunnies?
Whenever I hear music from KotOR I still get all nostalgic. KotOR 2 really needed an ending.
Afaik it's more that the Dark Side corrupts, not that you HAVE to be evil to use it, it will corrupt you into evil though.
But there are examples in Star Wars of Grey Jedi who manage to walk the path between the Dark Side and the Light Side.
That said keeping a strict balance isn't what Kreia advocated, she advocated always being aware of your actions and their long term effects. Basically to mastermind everything. She disliked the pure Dark Side Sith teachings as much as she did the pure Light Side Jedi teachings. To her they were both facets of the same futile way of doing things, focus on a short term action at the cost of the long term goal.
How
How did the audio glitches not make you kill everyone in a five-mile radius
Why aren't you in prison for multiple homicides
What I was trying to get you to process is that Kreia is not a Sith.
It's a useful role for manipulating events. She no more operates under their philosophy nor furthers their goals than you or I. Due in no small part to things like
And the fact that destroying the Jedi Council was the exact opposite of her goal. Which is why she berates you for being a retard if you go the full Dark Side route.
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It was my first Western RPG
I bought an OXbox specifically for it (and it ended up being the only exclusive game I dug), with my very first tax return
So, so good
Shame about the sequel
1) feels more Star Wars-y
2) has an ending
3) no bullshit "favor" system
4) Jolee Bindo
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Sometimes, on occasion, I think that KotOR 2 misses the point of Star Wars
Adding depth to the Force and treating it beyond simple black and white/light and dark/good and evil is not what swashbuckling space fantasy is all about
But I sort of like what they did with the Exile and Revan's character through that sequel, even if I hated Kreia and most of the supporting characters
So I don't really know how I feel about it I guess
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