A Song of Ice and Fire: The pilot is so close you can taste the incest.

CaptainNemo

So there's some fire. And some ice. And a song or two. And kings, queens, lesbians, swordfights, giants, dwarves, incest, empires, dark gods, and kittens.

Spoiler tags please, for the newbies' sake.

Xeddicus

Is the next book out yet?!?!?!??!?!?!?!

CaptainNemo

Yes. You missed it. It was great. Tommen invents the airplane and bombs the shit out of Dany's army while Jon learns the secret of Wight Power.

Xeddicus

That would be awesome. She swoops in on her dragons and gets blown to hell by some fighter jets. Guess Tommen deserves to be king now!

CaptainNemo

Yeah. He's pretty awesome. Everyone everywhere makes pies every Saturday and gets to eat them.

FirstComradeStalin

Thus leading to the glory of my favorite character in the series, Hot Pie.

"Hot Pie! Hot Pie!"

Xeddicus

I bet he dies next book. Martin is just trying to figure out the best way for him to choke to death on pie, hence the delay.

Alucard6986

What is to be done with Dany? I would guess that this sort of thing has been discussed to death as one of the major looming problems, but I'm a bit new to the series after only plowing through them in the last few months. I know from that Dance preview chapter at the end of Feast that

with Drogon feasting on human children she's supposed to have to deal more and more with the fact that she's raising blood thirsty, infinitely destructive monsters to rain hell on Westeros, and reclaiming the throne isn't going to be quite the march to glory she'd been imagining all along.

How do you keep a character human and compelling if they're practically invincible and only growing in power with each book? I could tell something was up way back when she melted the slavers and freed the Unsullied, since it felt like literally the only point in the entire series when any pov character achieved some kind of unequivocal triumph.

Or is it about whether she rises to become the "true queen" Barristan the Bold want her to be, or she dominates and spreads chaos and fear in the same vein as some of her more ruthless ancestors? Some kind of luke skywalker inner battle to keep her soul despite the temptation of power and such?

Odjn

Callbacks to some of the previous thread.

Why Frey is an asshole

The Red Wedding was only to increase his power, because he wanted it. An ancient dude, who is about to die, then cause a civil war among his descendants for his power, killed a whole ton of people including the only decent king in all of Westeros so he can have a few fleeting years of power.

Why the Targaryens are still assholes and so is Barristan

The madness thing isn't unique to Aerys the Mad. It's a generational thing and frankly this makes them the worst family to rule-Dany could be a good ruler, but thankfully the line is extinguished unless Jon is one. Barristan is also a huge dick for not telling Dany "Hey, your granddad? A psycho. He burnt people alive for kicks. That whole war that kicked you out? Happened because your granddad killed two nobles for rightfully demanding the return of their daughter/sister, who was betrothed to their friend, that your dad stole. Only then did their surviving relatives rebel, after trying to get their relative back peacefully. Your dad supported your crazy ass father, and I personally saw all this and let it happen 'cause, you know, honor." Wonder what he would've done if he knew Aerys had intended to kill everyone in the Landing. Probably still call Jaime an asshole.

Gnome-Interruptus

Rhaegyrs is Danys uncle, not father.

Danys father is Aerys.

Xeddicus

Agreed and Agreed. Not sure anyone would defend Frey and even barring the possible twists related to the start of the Rebellion the Targayen's brought it down on themselves one way or a lot of ways. And I've said before all the knights hide behind/were blinded by their honor, even if they were stand up guys otherwise.

And Rhaegyr is her brother, not uncle. Dany is maybe an

aunt

....

Odjn

Ah double woops.

Apothe0sis

I don't get the thread title.

What's a comity?

MrMister

Apothe0sis wrote: »

I don't get the thread title.

What's a comity?

I want to note, for the record, that when I was reading these books in middle school I had the following exchange with my Mom:

MrMister: Mom, what's a "cunt?"
MsMom: ... where did you here that?
MrMister: It says "she guards her cunt like it was worth all the king's gold."

Hoo boy. Thanks for that George RR.

Raiden333

MrMister wrote: »

Apothe0sis wrote: »

I don't get the thread title.

What's a comity?

I want to note, for the record, that when I was reading these books in middle school I had the following exchange with my Mom:

MrMister: Mom, what's a "cunt?"
MsMom: ... where did you here that?
MrMister: It says "she guards her cunt like it was worth all the king's gold."

Hoo boy. Thanks for that George RR.

Oh man, that's as bad as the time I asked my parents what the word "fellatio" meant.

Page-

Frey is awesome and you haters can keep on hating. I bet he lives for at least another book and a half.

Only to end up giving his empire to the bastard of Bolton. Because that guy is also awesome.

Obvious problem with the Jon/Dany stuff that I'm sure everyone has dealt with:

Even if Jon revokes all his vows to the Watch, if Dany wins everyone is still fucked because she can't have children.

Most obvious solution to that seems to be some Lord of Light fufferal.

Gnome-Interruptus

The cannot have children thing only becomes a problem if they want the unbroken Targaeryn lineage.

Jon has a number of cousins / half brothers & sisters (depending on what his official birth status is and what his in universe recognized birth status is) that could take the throne to follow him.

Xeddicus

Rikkon will end up on the throne because he'll kill everyone else in their sleep if they don't all die before that. No one will see that coming.

Odjn

This thread is now about mocking Cersei.

For queen and cuntry, amirite?

Burtletoy

I read books good.

Gnome-Interruptus

Oh yeah, from the locked thread, can anyone point me at where Cersei has her lesbian experimentation?

Tarantio

Gnome-Interruptus wrote: »

Oh yeah, from the locked thread, can anyone point me at where Cersei has her lesbian experimentation?

Do you just not remember at all? It was in Feast.

OldSlacker

Raiden333 wrote: »

MrMister wrote: »

Apothe0sis wrote: »

I don't get the thread title.

What's a comity?

I want to note, for the record, that when I was reading these books in middle school I had the following exchange with my Mom:

MrMister: Mom, what's a "cunt?"
MsMom: ... where did you here that?
MrMister: It says "she guards her cunt like it was worth all the king's gold."

Hoo boy. Thanks for that George RR.

Oh man, that's as bad as the time I asked my parents what the word "fellatio" meant.

40 seconds in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4t03uBWYCw

Jragghen

Jon and some other gents at the Wall



King Baratheon



Cersei



Jamie



Bran and Jon



Daenerys



Tyrion



Tyrion, Catelyn, and (given the scene) gonna guess Bronn?



Eddard and (gonna guess) one of the Maesters



So excited.

Lynx

I must not have seen enough of those pictures, but holy shit, this series is going to be incredible!

Smaug6

Cersei is hot. I may have to root for her in the books now. How easily my alliance is bought.

That being said, with the pet dragons

There feasting on children actually makes them much more interesting. It also adds some humanity to the maesters and their plot to wipe out dragons as they may be powerful, but ultimately were people eating monsters.

Smaug6

EDIT: Double Post

dojango

Smaug6 wrote: »

Cersei is hot. I may have to root for her in the books now. How easily my alliance is bought.

That being said, with the pet dragons

There feasting on children actually makes them much more interesting. It also adds some humanity to the maesters and their plot to wipe out dragons as they may be powerful, but ultimately were people eating monsters.

Well, I thought that the maesters want to wipe out 'magic' generally, because it a) is powerful and therefore corrupting and b) generally seems to require blood sacrifice. The dragons are either the source of the renewed magic in the world, or the main symptom.

As for the dragons eating babies, well, wolves do that too. Heck, my cat would eat a baby if it could. That just shows that they're fundamentally wild animals who would eat another species' young. Mmm, I could go for some veal now.

KalTorak

link for the pictures: http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20385926_20442931_5,00.html

Now that that caption mentions it, there are some coincidental similarities between Jaime and Vader.

Bratty blonde kids, hands get cut off, killed their master(s), family that likes incest, try to kill children... disturbing romance scenes... spent time with a short guy a lot smarter than them... now I'm just reaching...

Apothe0sis

MrMister wrote: »

Apothe0sis wrote: »

I don't get the thread title.

What's a comity?

I want to note, for the record, that when I was reading these books in middle school I had the following exchange with my Mom:

MrMister: Mom, what's a "cunt?"
MsMom: ... where did you here that?
MrMister: It says "she guards her cunt like it was worth all the king's gold."

Hoo boy. Thanks for that George RR.

No seriously, what is "Comity"?

Also, I swear there's an amusing homosexual observation in there, like "It is clear you had no interest in vaginas, even from a young age."

KalTorak

According to wiki, "In law, comity specifically refers to legal reciprocity—the principle that one jurisdiction will extend certain courtesies to other nations (or other jurisdictions within the same nation), particularly by recognizing the validity and effect of their executive, legislative, and judicial acts."

FirstComradeStalin

Argh, I really want to participate in this thread but I refuse to start on FfC until DwD is even close to coming out

Odjn

I hope that guy with Tyrion and Catelyn is not Bronn, but the Blackfish, the baddest of all Ice and Fire characters.

Raiden333

Odjn wrote: »

I hope that guy with Tyrion and Catelyn is not Bronn, but the Blackfish, the baddest of all Ice and Fire characters.

Blackfish is pretty fucking awesome.

He's one of the very few legitimately good guys.

edit: I doubt that's him, though. He's supposed to have grey hair.

Apothe0sis

Cersei is really classically beautiful. This will cause conflicting emotions.

In many trousers.

Odjn

Apothe0sis wrote: »

Cersei is really classically beautiful. This will cause conflicting emotions.

In many trousers.

Until she opens her mouth.

Gnome-Interruptus

Is that really Eddard in that photo? Why is he blond?

Quid

That's just the light. The guy who plays him has brown hair.

Tamin

Raiden333 wrote: »

Odjn wrote: »

I hope that guy with Tyrion and Catelyn is not Bronn, but the Blackfish, the baddest of all Ice and Fire characters.

Blackfish is pretty fucking awesome.

He's one of the very few legitimately good guys.

edit: I doubt that's him, though. He's supposed to have grey hair.

I can't find the post now, but I feel sure they've changed it so that the Blackfish doesn't show up in the Aerie.

Ah-ha!
http://grrm.livejournal.com/166493.html

Darkewolfe

On the subject of Targaeryen's...

It was Maekar I's line that was first shown to be corrupt, I believe. Baelor's line was supposed to be pretty solid and decent rulers, except for the being dead. I've always wondered if somehow characters in the novels might turn out to be descended from the better line.

Spawnbroker

I like the actor they got for Tyrion, especially that close up photo of his face.