surely you can't be serious: the thread (edited by orikae's butt)

Snagle

Frank: That's the red-light district. I wonder why Savage is hanging around down there.

Ed: Sex, Frank?

Frank: Uh, no, not right now, Ed.



the world is a sadder place

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I really like the new thread title.

RoyceSraphim

JayKaos wrote: »

Pretty sure I read that the bill nye-twitter thing was bullshit, and he was out for like a second before people came up and helped him and brought water and all that. I'll try and find where that came from, but I'm sure I'll lose interest long before I am successful.
There we go.
http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/twitter-generation-failed-science-guy-nonsens

Thats good news because I don't need blood on my hands, I have to fly in a week and that shit doesn't wash off.

Grey Ghost

This woman has to be gotten to a hospital.

A hospital? What is it?

It's a big building with a lot of patients, but that's not important right now.

Langly

PiptheFair wrote: »

DarkPrimus wrote: »

Rolo wrote: »

Butler For Life #1 wrote: »

Bill Nye is Kitty Genovese?

The case of Bill Nye is often cited as an example of the "bystander effect". It is also the case that originally stimulated social psychological research in this area. Nye was stabbed to death in 1964 by a serial rapist and murderer. According to newspaper accounts, the attack lasted for at least a half an hour. The murderer attacked Nye and stabbed him, then fled the scene after attracting the attention of a neighbor. The killer then returned ten minutes later and finished the assault. Newspaper reports after Nye's death claimed that 38 witnesses watched the stabbings and failed to intervene or even contact the police. This led to widespread public attention, and many editorials. Science still rules, though.

The story about Kitty Genovese is pretty much a fabrication by the police to cover up their lack of response to the calls that were placed by residents.

uh where did you read this

because the people in the apartments were actually interviewed and admitted to hearing the rape and murder and not calling the police

so

yeah

wikipedia wrote:

in his book Harlan Ellison's Watching, referred to reports he claimed to have read that one man turned up his radio so that he would not hear Genovese's screams. Ellison says that a report he read attributed the "get involved" quote to nearly all of the thirty-eight who supposedly witnessed the attack. He later repeated the figure of "thirty-eight motherfuckers" when mentioning the case in his book The Other Glass Teat.

While Genovese's neighbors were vilified by the article, "Thirty-Eight onlookers who did nothing" is a misconception. The article begins:

"For more than half an hour thirty-eight respectable, law-abiding citizens in Queens watched a killer stalk and stab a woman in three separate attacks in Kew Gardens."

The lead is dramatic but factually inaccurate. None of the witnesses observed the attacks in their entirety. Because of the layout of the complex and the fact that the attacks took place in different locations, no witness saw the entire sequence of events. Most only heard portions of the incident without realizing its seriousness, a few saw only small portions of the initial assault, and no witnesses directly saw the final attack and rape in an exterior hallway which resulted in Genovese's death.[1] Additionally, after the initial attack punctured her lungs (leading to her eventual death from asphyxiation), it is unlikely that she was able to scream at any volume.[15]

Nevertheless, media attention to the Genovese murder led to reform of the NYPD's telephone reporting system; the system in place at the time of the assault was often hostile to callers, inefficient and directed individuals to the incorrect department. The intense press coverage also led to serious investigation of the bystander effect by psychologists and sociologists. In addition, some communities organized Neighborhood Watch programs and the equivalent for apartment buildings to aid people in distress.

Moseley gave a confession to the police in which he detailed the attack, corroborating the physical evidence at the scene. His motive for the attack was simply "to kill a woman." Moseley preferred to kill women because, he said, "they were easier and didn't fight back".[10] Moseley stated that he got up that night around 2:00 a.m., leaving his wife asleep at home, and drove around to find a victim. He spied Genovese and followed her to the parking lot.

Holy shit

L|ama

what's really weird to me about the bystander effect is that everyone thinks "oh I would absolutely go help"

statistically speaking, it's pretty safe to say that no you wouldn't!

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I think that I don't know what I would do.

Particularly because I'm not often (or at all) put in those sorts of situations.

Melding

I probably wouldn't, but then i wouldn't know the first thing to do anyway. Why risk making it worse?

TheySlashThem

I, for one, will freely admit to being a coward.

Munkus Beaver

The bystander effect is really easy to notice if you've ever been on the side of the road of a highway.

Grey Ghost

Working as a lifeguard, on the couple of occasions where medical attention was needed immediately, I or one of the other guards were quick to respond but this was because
1) it was our goddamn job and
2) we knew that we were probably the most qualified people in the area to deal with said problem

In a large crowd outside of that job though, God only knows if I'd man up or not

Raneados

i often chastise myself for not knowing CPR and the like

i SHOULD know that stuff

everyone should

time to find a cheap class

natek

cheap classes only teach you how to save people that are already not dying

Centipede Damascus

I remember from being taught CPR in high school that CPR is just a tool to buy more time for the person until actual medical professionals arrive

Zonugal

William Somerset: No witnesses of any kind.
David Mills: Which I don't get, because the fucker had to get back out.
William Somerset: Well, in any major city, minding your own business is a science. First thing they teach women in rape prevention is never cry for help. Always yell "fire". Nobody answers to "help". You holler "fire", they come running.
David Mills: That's fucked up.

Beasteh

this is god damned saddening

DarkPrimus

BahamutZERO wrote: »

Primus, where did you hear that? I don't doubt you, but I'd like to see how this was discovered.

because I work for the Agency of Incompetent Police Work Coverups

Saw it in a D&D thread a while back.

John Zoidberg

Was talking to my Father after I woke up this morning and he mentioned a movie he watched last night. I confirmed that was the one with Leslie Nielsen in it ( Scary Movie 3 ) and then I glanced at the laptop downstairs and noticed the news page that was open had this headlining it.

I was saddened.

smof

Centipede Damascus wrote: »

I remember from being taught CPR in high school that CPR is just a tool to buy more time for the person until actual medical professionals arrive

This isn't entirely true. A friend of mine gave CPR to a guy who had a heart attack at her work, and by the time paramedics arrived he was sat up and talking again, so it really can be the amazing life saving thing it is on TV. Just rarely. You pretty much have to start it the second they go down.


Anyway, Leslie Nielsen What a shitty bit of news to greet you on waking up.

Scooter

L|ama wrote: »

what's really weird to me about the bystander effect is that everyone thinks "oh I would absolutely go help"

statistically speaking, it's pretty safe to say that no you wouldn't!

I think what it ultimately comes down to is that you're not even sure something happened

Was that loud noise upstairs a gunshot or someone dropping something heavy

Is that child screaming because someone's sodomizing it or because it's a kid and kids scream for anything

It's a thin line between helping people and being that old lady who calls the police every time FedEx drops off a box at her door because it could possibly be a bomb

L|ama

that's not really what the bystander effect/diffusion of responsibility is about

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSsPfbup0ac

Viscount Islands

This made me sad

But at least Bill Nye's alright.

AdamBomb

That really is depressing.

trentsteel

I have literally helped in EVERY bystander-type situation. Like, every time.

trentsteel

Oh, it's all right. I'm sure that we can handle this situation maturely, just like the responsible adults that we are. Isn't that right, Mr... Poopy Pants?

Viscount Islands

I'm sorry Trent but that actually means you're a sociopath.

trentsteel

What? How.

Also I have to train in CPR once a year, every year for my job. That and effective de-escalation techniques (talking people into being calm and, failing that, wrestling them down)

We are trained to block weapons and chairs with chairs. I actually got to do this a few weeks ago.

Seriously

Is it because you said


hey I just recently took a class on how to block weapons with chairs

you wanna see something?

Endomatic

Here's something else:

Wikipedia, under Bystander Effect wrote:

In April 2010 Hugo Alfredo Tale-Yax was stabbed to death after coming to the aid of a woman who was being attacked. At least twenty people walked by while he lay dying on a sidewalk in Queens

I admit I've driven by people on the side of the road when others were already present, but if I saw a guy writhing in pain from a stabbing, I'd do something. I would go into the closest building and call for help.

Lost Salient

God damn, you guys

Stop talking about depressing shit

Look! It's Enrico Palazzo!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-S-eeInJVk

Enrico Palazzo saved the Queen!

Crashmo

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAuuuuuuuuuuuuuggggggggghghghghg

MKR

I would call 911, but that's only because I'm aware of the bystander effect and would be conscious of the chance of being the only one taking action.

RabidDeathMoose

JANE - He had a moustache, about 6ft 4.
FRANK - That's an awfully big mustache!

I wonder if he will be buried with his fart machine? I'd like to think that he will.

babyeatingjesus

Is this a bust?

Very impressive, yes.

Grey Ghost

Also, defibrillators do not work if the heart has already stopped beating!

CrossBuster

Someone probably already made the thread, with a non-obvious title.

But Irvin Kershner died

Muggins

IT IS NOW THE DEATH THREAD IRVIN - GOD DAMN YOU CROSSBUSTER

SyphonBlue

Who's going to be the third?

Grey Ghost

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

Centipede Damascus

oh hell