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Do I have to give 2 weeks' notice?

UnderdogUnderdog Registered User regular
edited December 2010 in Help / Advice Forum
Hi, some of you may remember me from a resume thread a couple of weeks back. Things have... not been great since then. They've radically added to my job description, effectively doubling my workload with things I'm not qualified to do and I am tremendously stressed out at the moment. All this for a measly $12/hr. I'm not quitting yet but it is on my mind and I wanted to know about this 2 weeks' notice thing. Is it mandatory? Will they do anything to my wages if I don't give notice? To clarify things, I'm in Toronto, Ontario and I have been working there for a grand total of 8 days.

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I was brought into the law firm to do productions. Basically, it's drafting and sending letters to request things like Income Tax Returns, OHIP summaries and doctor's notes for our clients' cases. That was it. That's all. I write them, get them checked out and signed, scan and then send them. And I was totally fine with this. It was exactly what I was looking for actually. Well they changed all that yesterday.

Apparently, the paralegal quit. On Thursday. And he's not coming back. So my supervisor and the lawyer decide that I, with my 8 days of legal experience, will now take over certain portions of the paralegal position. Specifically, Notices of Intent and Statements of Claim. To those who don't know what those mean, well I don't really either but I do know that they're my responsibility now.

This feels like bullshit. I did not sign up to be a stand-in paralegal. I signed up to do office bitch work god damn it and that's what they pay me for. I have no interest in NOI's and SOC's. I am so stressed out from worrying about screwing these things up and fucking up the client's cases that I can't even sleep. They don't pay me enough to be this stressed!

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  • taliosfalcontaliosfalcon Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    In alberta you don't need to give any notice unless you've worked there for 3+ months, i'd assume it's the same in ontario. And realistically even if you don't give notice after working there for that long the worst that can happen is they don't need to pay you until two weeks from the day you immediately quit so no worries.

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  • Casually HardcoreCasually Hardcore Once an Asshole. Trying to be better. Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    It isn't necessary but it's generally a nice thing to do so you wont burn any bridges.

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  • illigillig Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    err... have you talked to your supervisor about this? b/c that's the correct response to this - not having a stress related breakdown and fleeing from your job without notice

    seriously - most managers will not dump work on someone who is not qualified. in all likelihood, they either see potential in you, or the additional tasks are simple.... so either you can ask for more money (if it's the former) or quit stressing (if it's the latter) - but figuring out which would again require talking with your manager

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  • UnderdogUnderdog Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    illig wrote: »
    err... have you talked to your supervisor about this? b/c that's the correct response to this - not having a stress related breakdown and fleeing from your job without notice

    seriously - most managers will not dump work on someone who is not qualified. in all likelihood, they either see potential in you, or the additional tasks are simple.... so either you can ask for more money (if it's the former) or quit stressing (if it's the latter) - but figuring out which would again require talking with your manager

    Oh I'm going to talk to the lawyer on Monday. At the very least, I want it on record that I stated I wasn't qualified to do the new stuff so that if the shit hits the fan, they can't blame it all on me.

    And no, the additional tasks are not simple. Or at least they don't seem simple
    I'm sifting through reams of medical assessments so that I can write a multi-page document that states the client's claim regarding the motor vehicle accident. These are documents that then need to be served to a court. I have ZERO understanding of how that works and to add to the stress, my supervisor is going on vacation on Wednesday while three SOC's need to be served by the end of the month. About the only "good" news is that the three SOC's were already drafted by the former paralegal but apparently, he wasn't so good with the details and facts so I have to comb through them and fix his mistakes. Except I don't even know what's supposed to be right!
    Training for the role came in the form of "Oh, you'll get it eventually."

    They've dumped it on me because there's no one else to dump it on. The paralegal had given his own two week notice but apparently the person who owns the firm told him not to bother and don't come back.

    It's not a money thing. I actively do not want these new responsibilities but they seem intent on giving them to me.

    Lastly, I don't mean to bite your head off but if it was as easy as telling myself not to stress about it, well then I wouldn't be here. At this point, I'd be happy to calm down enough so that I could start sleeping through the night. Keeping the job long-term is not in the books. They're intent on turning me into something I don't want to be so I wanted to figure out the procedure for quitting to be prepared.

    To add to my bitching
    The lawyer is only in the office until the 23rd. So that means I'll have a whole week of working by myself, with no one to turn to if anything goes wrong or if I have a question. Yay!

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  • FirstComradeStalinFirstComradeStalin Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I'd say stay, especially considering the job market. Give your new responsibilities a shot, it could be very similar to what you're already doing (albeit with a heavier work load).

    That said, if you're going to quit after 8 days I wouldn't be too concerned about giving a 2 weeks' notice

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  • UnderdogUnderdog Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Oh the plan is to stick it out until I can manage to get another job. Or have a nervous break-down I guess.

    Edit: Yes, I know I sound like a massive pussy. I wish I wasn't. I wish I could've been like 'Oh, new responsibilities? Sweet, I'll take care of it, no problem.' and then actually believe it. I can't though. I fret and worry and go over it again and again, thinking about all the ways I could screw it all up. I'm trying my best to be calm and this is about as calm as I'm going to get.

    It's weird because this is really the only time in my life I can remember being this stressed out. I worked in a kitchen for 5 years and never had a day that even approached this level of nervousness. Not on the days when there were so many orders on the counter that we ran out of counter space. Or even the day when I walked into the kitchen, saw the headchef was gone and then was told that he had quit and I would have to make do by myself from then on. No combination of essays, tests and exams ever made me this jittery.

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  • Grid SystemGrid System Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    It's a lot of responsibility to have dumped on you all of a sudden, but you can manage. The firm should have a bank of precedent SOCs and NOIs that you can use to orient yourself.

    Don't worry about making mistakes. If you're just getting started, somebody should make themselves available to review your drafts before they get filed. If nobody does, and you make a mistake that winds up making life difficult, they can't really hold you responsible, and neither should you. You can also take solace in the fact that nothing you do is likely to permanently harm a client's case. At worst, someone will have to seek leave to file an amended statement of claim or something.

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  • FirstComradeStalinFirstComradeStalin Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Think of it as an opportunity to prove you're capable of handling bigger things rather than a chance you could fuck up. Otherwise, how could you ever get ahead in life?

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  • UnderdogUnderdog Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Yes, I will be using all the other SOCs that have already been filed as a guideline. And yes, someone should be available but like I said, my supervisor will be gone by Wednesday for two weeks and then the lawyer will be gone the week after that. So everything has to be reviewed and signed before then and I guess I'm just pressing because of that.

    They mentioned something about amending SOCs but the 2 year limitation date is well, this month for the 3 SOCs that I said needed to be done so I'm not sure if there's actually time to make mistakes, which is also probably much of the reason I'm stressing out.

    Thanks Grid. I actually feel... better talking to someone who knows something about the job.

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  • Havok417Havok417 Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    In all honesty,no you don't need a 2 weeks notice.You can give a two-HOUR notice if you want,but these people could be instrumental in your next job opportunity.You don't want to ingratiate yourself to your current employer.

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  • MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Think of it as an opportunity to prove you're capable of handling bigger things rather than a chance you could fuck up. Otherwise, how could you ever get ahead in life?

    What will your new job title be now? Para-fuckin-legal.*

    Is it your company/money? No? Then do your best and record everything. Every email from boss telling you to do one of these tasks outside your expertise should be going to an Outlook .pst and saved to a flash (CD would be better).

    While it may have been a case of, "Give it to the new guy!" They had to think you were at least semi-capable of doing it, otherwise Kelly Temps are pretty cheap.


    *Leave out the 'fuckin' part until you're at least a CPA.

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  • Grid SystemGrid System Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Underdog wrote: »
    Thanks Grid. I actually feel... better talking to someone who knows something about the job.

    Full disclosure, I'm just a law student in Manitoba, but I've done similar sorts of work while summering. I'm by no means an expert.

    And, not to put a damper on MichaelLC's enthusiasm, but you mustn't go around calling yourself a paralegal unless you've been licensed as such by the Law Society of Upper Canada. In fact, now that I think about it, you should probably have a conversation with the managing partner at your firm about the limits of your duties as defined by the Law Society's By-laws. Don't let them brush you off or give you a vague non-answer.

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  • John MatrixJohn Matrix Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Chances are good that they'll hire another paralegal, so this isn't permanent. Do your best, if you make mistakes well it's not what you were hired for in the first place.

    The key here is keep calm and carry on. Do your best because that's all they're asking of you, not miracles.

    You can do this.

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  • admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I guess the one thing that really flashes to me is that all your stress is being causes by the fear of doing a bad job, when the worst thing that doing a bad job could do is lose you your job.

    Which is exactly what you now want to do.

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  • UnderdogUnderdog Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    admanb wrote: »
    I guess the one thing that really flashes to me is that all your stress is being causes by the fear of doing a bad job, when the worst thing that doing a bad job could do is lose you your job.

    Which is exactly what you now want to do.

    Well no, the worst thing a bad job could do is to screw the client over. There are basically hard deadlines coming up and I need to do this new job properly and then get the documents served by the end of this month or else these clients won't be able to make their case. Like ever again. Or at least that's what I've been led to believe. I'll admit, if I went in tomorrow and they flat out told me not to come back, most of me would be pretty happy. The only reason I'm not walking out now is that with the shitty economy, even a job that stresses me out is better than no job at all.

    And I wish I could take solace in the notion that it's temporary but it isn't. I heard them talking and the plan was for me to do productions (my 'old' job) for 3 months and then train me to do SOCs (my 'new' job). Now they're like "Well he was going to do it anyways so let's have him start now."

    But yeah, I'll try to stay calm and accept that the best I can give them is my best and if that turns out to not be good enough, well they can hardly blame me for it. Hell, they might even can me for it.

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  • MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    And, not to put a damper on MichaelLC's enthusiasm, but you mustn't go around calling yourself a paralegal unless you've been licensed as such by the Law Society of Upper Canada. In fact, now that I think about it, you should probably have a conversation with the managing partner at your firm about the limits of your duties as defined by the Law Society's By-laws. Don't let them brush you off or give you a vague non-answer.

    Not my enthusiasm! D:

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    Good to know, I thought paralegal was just a job description, not an actual rank/title. In that case, talk to the managers about them paying for the classes/test/whatever is needed for you to become a paralegal.

    It's good you're taking your job seriously, but try to see this in a positive light. Sit down with them and make sure they're quite clear on what they want you to do, then just do your best and learn all you can.

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  • SpawnbrokerSpawnbroker Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    A side benefit to all of this is, after a month or two of this going on you can approach your bosses and say this: "If you have me doing the job of a paralegal, I believe as long as my service is satisfactory, I should be getting the pay of a paralegal."

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  • John MatrixJohn Matrix Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Don't forget that it's also in the attorney's best interest that the work product is acceptable. He/she would be liable for malpractice should something be terrible, so don't think that all the responsibility lies on you.

    I had the same feeling dozens of times when I was a paralegal. Just do your best and you'll often find that it's just what they're looking for.

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  • UnderdogUnderdog Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Yeah I'll try to focus on that. I still think I'm going to have a conversation with the attorney to voice my concerns. Make sure to cover my ass in the event things go wrong.

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  • Modern ManModern Man Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Underdog wrote: »
    Yeah I'll try to focus on that. I still think I'm going to have a conversation with the attorney to voice my concerns. Make sure to cover my ass in the event things go wrong.
    The worst thing that can happen to you if you screw up is that you get fired. If the requirements of the legal profession in Canada are anything like the US, then all of the legal filings, no matter how routine, need to be signed by an attorney. So, the attorney's exposure is quite a bit higher.

    If anything that you prepare that ends up being filed will be in the name of the attorney, it's ultimately his responsibility, not your's, to make sure the filing is in order.

    Like people have said, look at this as an opportunity. Maybe you're overthinking the importance of these filings. Ultimately, the lawyers appear comfortable with having you work on them, so they may not be as crucual as you might think.

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  • DisrupterDisrupter Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I get not wanting to screw people over by doing a shitty job. However, you have to realize, if something goes wrong, its not your fault, its whoever decided to dump work on you that you werent qualified for. So you really have no moral obligation to be stresisng like this.

    Now stressing for selfish reasons, I understand. But again, the worst thing that can happen to YOU is you lose your job and leave on a bad note. Tucking tail and quitting the job is going to be an even worse result. You will be just as unemployed with just as much bridge burnt.

    So basically, you need to let the stress go. Would you be happier right now if this DIDNT happen? Probably, but this is also a good moment to grow from. Next job interview when they ask you to describe a problem you encoutered at work, would you rather say "the paralegal quit so they dumped me al his work so I quit." or "the paralegal quit so they dumped me all his work, and I used the resources available to me to complete the tasks and help out the company in a time of need."

    Quitting does not leave you better off then the worst case scenerio of staying. So, use that knolwedge to help keep the stress down.

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  • kaliyamakaliyama Left to find less-moderated fora Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Everyone else in the office knows you are new. I guarantee your work is being carefully scrutinized. You should get paid more because you're doing more challenging work and they need you. You seem a little nutty, not because you are finding drafting something, however minor, intimidating, but because you think they'd give you something important without reviewing it before filing. You won't be allowed to screw anything up. They might not let you do them any more, but really, stop stressing.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    This is generic advice to you and everyone that reads this, as it's aided me in the past:

    If a manager or boss gives you something you're not qualified or capable of doing, stop. Look them in the eye and say, "I just want to let you know that I don't think I'm qualified or capable of doing this. I will do the best, to the best of my abilities to help you and get this done for the time being." Once that's done, do it, ask lots of questions, be annoying. As long as no one is going to die because you took it over, there isn't a reason to worry. If the company gets fined for doing something wrong because they didn't train you right, they get fined. They'll wise up, hopefully, after the fact. But until then, relish in the responsibilities.

    After a week or so if they haven't brought up hiring a new person, ask them to resign your contract with a raise and a new job title. They usually try to sneak it into the clause of "You do what we tell you to do is what your job responsibilities are, bitch." but those don't usually hold up if challenged (if one was willing to push it that far).

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