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When I put my mice down, they usually just get a little shaky and gaspy if I turn the gas on slowly. Basically they just go to sleep. I imagine that it would feel like being out of breath and very sleepy.
But if I accidentally turn it on too fast they convulse and really seem to feel a lot of distress. (I usually just turn the gas on a trickle and let them go over about ten minutes or so.)
So I'm thinking sudden CO2 poisoning must be pretty painful.
CO2 poisoning would basically be drowning. Incredibly painful.
I thought it was the same as gassing yourself with a car? Which I've always heard is painless.
That is CO (carbon monoxide). One less oxygen atom, which makes all the difference.
The sensation of suffocation is not from a lack of oxygen, but from a surplus of carbon dioxide. That's why if you are breathing in an oxygen-low environment which is also low in CO2, you can die of suffocation without feeling it. But if the atmosphere is high in CO2...
When I put my mice down, they usually just get a little shaky and gaspy if I turn the gas on slowly. Basically they just go to sleep. I imagine that it would feel like being out of breath and very sleepy.
But if I accidentally turn it on too fast they convulse and really seem to feel a lot of distress. (I usually just turn the gas on a trickle and let them go over about ten minutes or so.)
So I'm thinking sudden CO2 poisoning must be pretty painful.
CO2 poisoning would basically be drowning. Incredibly painful.
I thought it was the same as gassing yourself with a car? Which I've always heard is painless.
That's CO.
CO2 you basically hyperventilate and then die from asphyxiation.
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not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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syndalisGetting ClassyOn the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products, Transition Teamregular
I know that I'd kill myself with CO poisoning if I wanted to do it.
Seems the least awful way.
WALKING DEAD TV SPOILER
I would instigate the zombie apocalypse, then find my way to the CDC so I could die in a nanosecond from an intense fireball.
Sigh.
I thought that whole bit really sucked. The season ending on that note was just disappointing. It started out so promising!
It only sucked because it ended there. I fully understood the motivations of the two, and in that situation I would have to think REAL hard about making that choice.
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So my buddy and I were going to go skiing at Whistler today.
I took the bus downtown to meet up with him (carrying my skis and stuff) and right as I get there, I get a text from him saying "call me back asap fell down stairs, popped knee"
Fuck.
Now it is 8:30 in the morning and I am not skiing at Whistler.
@Hakks: Thanks btw. Mostly I'm just desperate to finish this thing, and get out of here. Is good to be reminded every once and a while that the work is worthwhile in and of itself by somebody outside the lab.
Admirable or not though, if mice and people go to the same afterlife... I'm gonna be in trouble.
It's probably much easier to get a rifle in Canada when you're up north or in one of the rural areas out west
there are a lot of guns in Canada though. More per capita than in the US at one point I think? It's just that there are so many farmers and hunters with firearms up here.
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HakkekageSpace Whore Academysumma cum laudeRegistered Userregular
I know that I'd kill myself with CO poisoning if I wanted to do it.
Seems the least awful way.
WALKING DEAD TV SPOILER
I would instigate the zombie apocalypse, then find my way to the CDC so I could die in a nanosecond from an intense fireball.
Sigh.
I thought that whole bit really sucked. The season ending on that note was just disappointing. It started out so promising!
It only sucked because it ended there. I fully understood the motivations of the two, and in that situation I would have to think REAL hard about making that choice.
it sucked because the whole drama was so forced. And I was really hoping the show wouldn't go with "flashy uber technology," but of course it did. And then "Woops, all that high tech plasma screen stuff just ate up our power budget needlessly, hope you enjoy flaming air."
And suddenly, Andrea just becomes the most annoying character, which is pretty disappointing considering how badass she is in the comics.
The only thing I liked was the return of the grenade.
Bullet in your brain risks horrible mutilation if it fails to kill you
it's hard to get a weapon that can really jelly your brain, at least in Canada. One that you could fire yourself anyways.
it's hard to get a shotgun or a rifle in canada?
extremely
I find it hard to believe, especially considering how much rugged wilderness there is up there.
I always thought obvious hunting weapons were easy to get up there. I could be wrong.
No idea what its like today. But I lived in backwoods Ontario when I was up there. Lived right around the corner from a gun club. My early childhood was punctuated by gunfire. Most of the farmers around us had guns in case of rabid foxes or whatever. Couldn't have been that hard to get them back then. This was the 80's though... so who knows whats happened since.
When I put my mice down, they usually just get a little shaky and gaspy if I turn the gas on slowly. Basically they just go to sleep. I imagine that it would feel like being out of breath and very sleepy.
But if I accidentally turn it on too fast they convulse and really seem to feel a lot of distress. (I usually just turn the gas on a trickle and let them go over about ten minutes or so.)
So I'm thinking sudden CO2 poisoning must be pretty painful.
Why do you guys use CO2 for that?
I always found that really odd. Why not just feed them a nitrogen stream and let them blissfully asphyxiate?
I know that I'd kill myself with CO poisoning if I wanted to do it.
Seems the least awful way.
WALKING DEAD TV SPOILER
I would instigate the zombie apocalypse, then find my way to the CDC so I could die in a nanosecond from an intense fireball.
Sigh.
I thought that whole bit really sucked. The season ending on that note was just disappointing. It started out so promising!
It only sucked because it ended there. I fully understood the motivations of the two, and in that situation I would have to think REAL hard about making that choice.
it sucked because the whole drama was so forced. And I was really hoping the show wouldn't go with "flashy uber technology," but of course it did. And then "Woops, all that high tech plasma screen stuff just ate up our power budget needlessly, hope you enjoy flaming air."
And suddenly, Andrea just becomes the most annoying character, which is pretty disappointing considering how badass she is in the comics.
The only thing I liked was the return of the grenade.
The only issue I have with the episode was the useless power wasting. He could have told all of them to crowd around a single screen to show them patient 18 or whatever... They probably could have forced 1-2 minute hot showers max, rationed power a bit more, etc.
Other than that, I was okay with the episode.
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HakkekageSpace Whore Academysumma cum laudeRegistered Userregular
edited December 2010
arrrgh
it's been over a week and we still don't have our Con Law grades in
Having fired an assault rifle I will say they are nice to shoot with. But there is no real reason I would need one unless the end of the world was really coming and I knew it.
Bullet in your brain risks horrible mutilation if it fails to kill you
it's hard to get a weapon that can really jelly your brain, at least in Canada. One that you could fire yourself anyways.
it's hard to get a shotgun or a rifle in canada?
extremely
I find it hard to believe, especially considering how much rugged wilderness there is up there.
I always thought obvious hunting weapons were easy to get up there. I could be wrong.
It depends on which Canada you're talking about. Consider that we don't sell guns at our Wal-Marts or what-have-you, and only at specialty joints, like how we sell our alcohol. Then take into consideration the few stores we make weapons available are sparse in our more urban areas. In Toronto, our most populated city, no one would be able to tell you where to (legitimately) purchase a gun.
Actually no, I can name one guy who knows where you can buy guns, but it's around city limits and he knows about it because he's a survivalist type. A decent number of Canadians don't own a gun, let alone know where to get one. Rural Canada's obviously a different story.
When I put my mice down, they usually just get a little shaky and gaspy if I turn the gas on slowly. Basically they just go to sleep. I imagine that it would feel like being out of breath and very sleepy.
But if I accidentally turn it on too fast they convulse and really seem to feel a lot of distress. (I usually just turn the gas on a trickle and let them go over about ten minutes or so.)
So I'm thinking sudden CO2 poisoning must be pretty painful.
Why do you guys use CO2 for that?
I always found that really odd. Why not just feed them a nitrogen stream and let them blissfully asphyxiate?
I mean pure N2 is damn cheap.
I'm actually not sure. Other than its in the IUCUC guidlines. I know that young mice are very resistant to even CO2, so nitrogen might just not be efficient enough. You don't want to think you've killed the animal, and toss it in the carcass cooler, then come back later to mice running around and slowly freezing to death.
With very young mice they recommend decapitation following CO2, just to be sure.
Bullet in your brain risks horrible mutilation if it fails to kill you
it's hard to get a weapon that can really jelly your brain, at least in Canada. One that you could fire yourself anyways.
it's hard to get a shotgun or a rifle in canada?
extremely
I find it hard to believe, especially considering how much rugged wilderness there is up there.
I always thought obvious hunting weapons were easy to get up there. I could be wrong.
It depends on which Canada you're talking about. Consider that we don't sell guns at our Wal-Marts or what-have-you, and only at specialty joints, like how we sell our alcohol. Then take into consideration the few stores we make weapons available are sparse in our more urban areas. In Toronto, our most populated city, no one would be able to tell you where to (legitimately) purchase a gun.
Actually no, I can name one guy who knows where you can buy guns, but it's around city limits and he knows about it because he's a survivalist type. A decent number of Canadians don't own a gun, let alone know where to get one. Rural Canada's obviously a different story.
It's the same here, but that doesn't mean it's "extremely" hard to get a gun
of course you need to go somewhere rural, people don't need guns in the city
Having fired an assault rifle I will say they are nice to shoot with. But there is no real reason I would need one unless the end of the world was really coming and I knew it.
Machine guns are the best things. You don't want to enjoy shooting them so much, but you can't help it.
Bullet in your brain risks horrible mutilation if it fails to kill you
it's hard to get a weapon that can really jelly your brain, at least in Canada. One that you could fire yourself anyways.
it's hard to get a shotgun or a rifle in canada?
extremely
I find it hard to believe, especially considering how much rugged wilderness there is up there.
I always thought obvious hunting weapons were easy to get up there. I could be wrong.
It depends on which Canada you're talking about. Consider that we don't sell guns at our Wal-Marts or what-have-you, and only at specialty joints, like how we sell our alcohol. Then take into consideration the few stores we make weapons available are sparse in our more urban areas. In Toronto, our most populated city, no one would be able to tell you where to (legitimately) purchase a gun.
Actually no, I can name one guy who knows where you can buy guns, but it's around city limits and he knows about it because he's a survivalist type. A decent number of Canadians don't own a gun, let alone know where to get one. Rural Canada's obviously a different story.
It's the same here, but that doesn't mean it's "extremely" hard to get a gun
of course you need to go somewhere rural, people don't need guns in the city
I just imagined it would be 'extremely' difficult when compared to how it's done in America.
Actually the gun ownership thing in the US is a bit overblown. Most people in suburbia and nice areas tend to not own a gun and if they do its usually locked up. Though it is true you can buy a .22 from Walmart or a Shotgun they are still required to do the mandatory background check now.
Most of the gun owners I know either have lived in the rural part of the state, are hunters or grew up as a kid in the rural part and keep one around they got when they were younger. We have a .22 single shot bolt action in the house from when my mom was a kid. Sights are like 5 feet to the right though.
Bullet in your brain risks horrible mutilation if it fails to kill you
it's hard to get a weapon that can really jelly your brain, at least in Canada. One that you could fire yourself anyways.
it's hard to get a shotgun or a rifle in canada?
extremely
I find it hard to believe, especially considering how much rugged wilderness there is up there.
I always thought obvious hunting weapons were easy to get up there. I could be wrong.
It depends on which Canada you're talking about. Consider that we don't sell guns at our Wal-Marts or what-have-you, and only at specialty joints, like how we sell our alcohol. Then take into consideration the few stores we make weapons available are sparse in our more urban areas. In Toronto, our most populated city, no one would be able to tell you where to (legitimately) purchase a gun.
Actually no, I can name one guy who knows where you can buy guns, but it's around city limits and he knows about it because he's a survivalist type. A decent number of Canadians don't own a gun, let alone know where to get one. Rural Canada's obviously a different story.
The vast majority of Americans are not gun owners either; we just have a large number of people who support gun rights.
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If you can set it up a shot gun will jelly your brain nicely.
That is CO (carbon monoxide). One less oxygen atom, which makes all the difference.
The sensation of suffocation is not from a lack of oxygen, but from a surplus of carbon dioxide. That's why if you are breathing in an oxygen-low environment which is also low in CO2, you can die of suffocation without feeling it. But if the atmosphere is high in CO2...
it's hard to get a shotgun or a rifle in canada?
That's CO.
CO2 you basically hyperventilate and then die from asphyxiation.
It only sucked because it ended there. I fully understood the motivations of the two, and in that situation I would have to think REAL hard about making that choice.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
I took the bus downtown to meet up with him (carrying my skis and stuff) and right as I get there, I get a text from him saying "call me back asap fell down stairs, popped knee"
Fuck.
Now it is 8:30 in the morning and I am not skiing at Whistler.
extremely
You are conscious for many seconds following a beheading.
Fuck that being my last memory.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
I find it hard to believe, especially considering how much rugged wilderness there is up there.
I always thought obvious hunting weapons were easy to get up there. I could be wrong.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
Admirable or not though, if mice and people go to the same afterlife... I'm gonna be in trouble.
Yeah. I bet it's like here; not easy to buy one, but probably easy to get one.
there are a lot of guns in Canada though. More per capita than in the US at one point I think? It's just that there are so many farmers and hunters with firearms up here.
And suddenly, Andrea just becomes the most annoying character, which is pretty disappointing considering how badass she is in the comics.
The only thing I liked was the return of the grenade.
NNID: Hakkekage
No idea what its like today. But I lived in backwoods Ontario when I was up there. Lived right around the corner from a gun club. My early childhood was punctuated by gunfire. Most of the farmers around us had guns in case of rabid foxes or whatever. Couldn't have been that hard to get them back then. This was the 80's though... so who knows whats happened since.
if I would commit suicide, I'd do it the obvious way
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kg0usBuXYI
just repeat this, sans parachute
Not evil enough.
Suffering is holy.
Other than that, I was okay with the episode.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
it's been over a week and we still don't have our Con Law grades in
*chokes a bitch*
NNID: Hakkekage
NNID: Hakkekage
It depends on which Canada you're talking about. Consider that we don't sell guns at our Wal-Marts or what-have-you, and only at specialty joints, like how we sell our alcohol. Then take into consideration the few stores we make weapons available are sparse in our more urban areas. In Toronto, our most populated city, no one would be able to tell you where to (legitimately) purchase a gun.
Actually no, I can name one guy who knows where you can buy guns, but it's around city limits and he knows about it because he's a survivalist type. A decent number of Canadians don't own a gun, let alone know where to get one. Rural Canada's obviously a different story.
I'm actually not sure. Other than its in the IUCUC guidlines. I know that young mice are very resistant to even CO2, so nitrogen might just not be efficient enough. You don't want to think you've killed the animal, and toss it in the carcass cooler, then come back later to mice running around and slowly freezing to death.
With very young mice they recommend decapitation following CO2, just to be sure.
It's the same here, but that doesn't mean it's "extremely" hard to get a gun
of course you need to go somewhere rural, people don't need guns in the city
Finally someone I know will be on the news
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSKSsjpkZ3c
Why don't you want to enjoy it?
I just imagined it would be 'extremely' difficult when compared to how it's done in America.
They just need to go to the mall.
Most of the gun owners I know either have lived in the rural part of the state, are hunters or grew up as a kid in the rural part and keep one around they got when they were younger. We have a .22 single shot bolt action in the house from when my mom was a kid. Sights are like 5 feet to the right though.
And now off to see family, later all.
Too much power.
I don't want to play with something that if I pointed it at a person they would die.
The vast majority of Americans are not gun owners either; we just have a large number of people who support gun rights.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
I got over that fear when I started masturbating.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.