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(I'm currently down a rabbit-hole of re-writes and optimization which is why nothing interesting has happened for a week).
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There were ten of us at the table again, plus the DM for a total of 11. Two more new players arrived this week (adults this time!), and the shop in general was pretty busy through most of the evening. Both things are pleasing to me.
Anyway, I think we're a week or two behind in the season, so we just arrived at some ruins where we fought more lizardmen on our way to ... something. I'm not sure what. The story is barely there, but I think this is more a DM thing than anything else. It seems like the adventure has a decent plot to it, but I've only caught bits and pieces.
So all 10 of us (three mages, two thieves, a knight I think, a warpriest, a cleric, a bard, and a paladin) spread out and got to work on the lizardmen. The gold star of the night went to one of the kids, whose mage caused one of the big brutes to turn around and whack his brother, sending the other brute into a pit where he promptly died. This triggered the paladin's divine challenge, doing the last 6 damage necessary to put him down. The drakes got scared at this point and ran off, leaving us to mop up the last lizardman and get ready to do ... whatever we're there to do.
Overall another fun session. I also got a chance to talk to the owners about running a regular game there on another day and they were more than happy to accommodate me, so now I have the dual dilemmas of rounding up players and deciding on a campaign.
Edit: On the subject of all this crap at Wizards, I'm concerned that they're trying to save a sinking ship here. I'm not very concerned, but it still has that feeling of some guys with buckets dumping water back into the ocean. I don't know, it will probably all work out by the end of the year. The lack of compilation PDFs is a shame though, and their reasoning is the same kind of bullshit they gave us about character limits on the CB. As usual, some open and honest communication would do them more good than their useless half-speak.
Conjurations? I suppose that's sort of "like a zone" but some conjurations can move. Conjurations can also be destroyed, or moved, or whatever, like Wall of Blades, which can be destroyed one chunk at a time.
Grant saving throw.
Remove status effects.
Grant attacks/actions/entire turns.
Enable secondary powers (as opposed to triggering one immediately).
Create/remove lighting.
Create/remove terrain (does this count as a zone?).
Remove a creature from play (usually temporarily).
Temporary hit points.
he did the maths
he did the monster maths
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Agreed.
No more minis
Also, Paizo would not have been able to pull off Pathfinder without their considerable knowhow, resources and staff, which they accumulated because of their licences for Dragon and Dungeon magazines.
I think the comparison is apt, but not entirely accurate. To me it doesn't feel like they're trying to save the ship. They're only doing just enough to stay afloat a while longer and not have the passengers jump ship, and that's it. Bailing water, but no attempts to fix the hull breach.
I'd be sorry if we were told D&D isn't performing well enough to keep to the old ways of doing things and WotC would choose to significantly change their business model accordingly, but I would understand that that would be the best solution. Instead I don't see a solution, just a series of stopgap measures (and worse, changes made not for the good of the line or the customers, but just for the company).
The solution is quality. People aren't suddenly jumping ship because they don't want to play D&D any more, they just don't like what wizards is producing. I can't for the life of me justify buying a DDI subscription and I went from collecting almost every book they published to, well, practically none. I think the last thing I bought was MM3. The main reason is that the amount of stuff in each book that I'd want to use has been dropping quite steadily. I first noticed it when the AV1 came out and I realised that so very many of the items in it were totally useless. The worst thing about this is that so many of the things they've released have been so obviously useless/broken and should never have gotten past the most basic of QA procedures.
I'm another one who thinks a complete reboot with a 5e would be a good idea (along with replacing their entire software development team). Provided that is they don't repeat all the same mistakes they made in this edition.
3E was the edition that restored D&D after TSR ran it into the ground.
4E is the edition that is supposed to fix the technical problems with the 3E ruleset (including reviling that previous edition during release, which to this day bugs me no end).
What's 5E supposed to accomplish, fix WotC's internal processes? That's hardly a decent reason to reboot the line, from a customer's POV. Basically we'd be expected to buy all those books over again simply because WotC can't be arsed to do a good job with the current edition anymore?
For 4E's release, I could muster some faith that WotC would give me a good product based on what i'd seen for 3E, even with the flaws that system has. For a hypothetical 5E, looking at what we get for 4E now, I can't really be optimistic.
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I'm trying, fairly successfully, to change the way I think about 4e.
It's now, to me, an excellent game that is finished with the Dark Sun books. I will continue to play it for as long as I wish, without paying any attention to what WOTC do.
When I have a bit of time I'll sort out that offline CB, but if I can't we'll just have to do things by hand again. Not such a big deal.
Just remember the game is already there, on your shelves and in your mind. WOTC can't touch that.
that's silly. why would they do that when they can make you pay for DDI to get them? :?
great post up above. I'm really trying hard not to sperg on this stuff but a game I love is basically shitting the bed because of poor management. I'm fine with never buying a product again, I guess
That is the thing to keep in mind for the gamers, if not for WotC: We do already have a damned lot of great stuff we can use for the rest of our lives. We're just not getting any NEW stuff very often anymore. I've been using the dearth of new material as an excuse to get back into painting miniatures.
Fixed.
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They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
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I felt the same but was too ashamed to admit it.
Edit: I have atoned for my sins.
Inquisitor77: Rius, you are Sisyphus and melee Wizard is your boulder
Tube: This must be what it felt like to be an Iraqi when Saddam was killed
Bookish Stickers - Mrs. Rius' Etsy shop with bumper stickers and vinyl decals.
I was trying to figure out some what of making the next two lines work but couldn't.
Sorry to interrupt the (justified) lamentations over the state of WotC, but I have a question about electronic gm aids.
Mainly, I feel that aside from being terrible at planning, my main weakness as a DM is tracking combat. Usually my monster hp and conditions are scratched on whatever piece of scratch paper is laying around, and while it essentially works, it's cumbersome.
Are there any free tools online that are easy to set up and use at a live game on, say, a slightly older Asus netbook? I've tried Googling this question but am finding very little that's free or has the appearance of usefulness.
I've never tried it myself, but inCombat 4E looks pretty decent. It just needs Adobe AIR to run offline, which should be fine on any EEE pc.
That looks exactly like what I'll need, thanks!
Edit: Terrible top of page.
Dnd 4E Combat Tracker is pretty awesome. You can export offline CB characters and MB creatures to it. I use it for my Dark Sun game, and it's been a life-saver.
My first thought is "How long until they ditch the weekly, organized release of these columns?".
I'll admit that I'm excited by Mike Mearls' column, and Chris Perkins' column might be interesting as well, but do free columns really make-up for a lack of content (content that must be paid for)?
Also, maybe "Design & Development" will shed some light on what is currently being designed and developed.
Plus, they're free articles, so even after my sub dies I can still read them. Good move.
Inquisitor77: Rius, you are Sisyphus and melee Wizard is your boulder
Tube: This must be what it felt like to be an Iraqi when Saddam was killed
Bookish Stickers - Mrs. Rius' Etsy shop with bumper stickers and vinyl decals.
fucking awesome
zed do i remember incorrectly
or are you and i the only dudes who think Ruthless Ruffian is sweetness
But the joke's on everybody else. One day our half orc ruffians will hooligan themselves to world supremacy.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Really, who buys booster packs?