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Anyone an Actuary?

iowaiowa Registered User regular
edited January 2011 in Help / Advice Forum
Where would I need to start with this? I know there are entry exams you've got to take and that's about it.

I have a bachelors in economics.

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  • schussschuss Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    iowa wrote: »
    Where would I need to start with this? I know there are entry exams you've got to take and that's about it.

    I have a bachelors in economics.

    Be retarded good at Math, then apply to actuary programs with insurance companies, or study actuary science. Most insurance co.'s will pay your way if you're good.

    Note that actuaries aren't just "math is kinda cool" people, they're "Math explains my world and is my personal jesus" people. There's a ton of statistics and predictive modeling involved.

    http://www.soa.org/

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  • EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Your BA in economics will satisfy the basic school requirements. You should then look into the preliminary exams.

    My sister-in-law is an actuary. It is a lot of studying and tests and calculus. She was a business and art history major in college, then talked to a local big insurance company (Travelers) and was hired there after completing the first exam. She's continued to take exams and has been relocated and promoted according to her exam status, etc.

    The other thing is that while being an actuary is a pretty good guarantee for a job, you are forced to live in major cities that have insurance company headquarters. It's pretty straightforward once you get started, but getting started depends a lot on having a company in your area that employs actuaries.

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  • kuhlmeyekuhlmeye Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I have a friend who is an actuary. She studied actuarial science in college, but I would assume that Economics would be good enough to be hired, assuming you pass the exams. She has to take continuing exams for work, like one every 6 months. She has three chances to pass them and if she doesn't, she could be fired! So, be prepared to work your ass off, even after you get hired.

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  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited January 2011
    My sister-in-law was a metallurgist before she was an actuary. She's worked for the IRS as well as private insurance companies, and she loves it. In fact, she's about ready to go in for yet another round of testing. So yeah, what EggyToast said. Only with more tests.

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  • KakodaimonosKakodaimonos Code fondler Helping the 1% get richerRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    If you are interested, you can look at the various exams. You should be able to pass the first exam just out of college or in your senior year. But it does require a good calculus-based statistics course.

    Required knowledge From here:
    Candidates should be able to use and apply the following concepts in a risk management context:
    1. General Probability
    • Set functions including set notation and basic elements of probability
    • Mutually exclusive events
    • Addition and multiplication rules
    • Independence of events
    • Combinatorial probability
    • Conditional probability
    • Bayes Theorem / Law of total probability

    2. Univariate probability distributions (including binomial, negative binomial, geometric, hypergeometric, Poisson, uniform, exponential, gamma, and normal)
    • Probability functions and probability density functions
    • Cumulative distribution functions
    • Mode, median, percentiles, and moments
    • Variance and measures of dispersion
    • Moment generating functions
    • Transformations

    3. Multivariate probability distributions (including the bivariate normal)
    • Joint probability functions and joint probability density functions
    • Joint cumulative distribution functions
    • Central Limit Theorem
    • Conditional and marginal probability distributions
    • Moments for joint, conditional, and marginal probability distributions
    • Joint moment generating functions
    • Variance and measures of dispersion for conditional and marginal probability distributions
    • Covariance and correlation coefficients
    • Transformations and order statistics
    • Probabilities and moments for linear combinations of independent random variables

    There's 3 more exams after that but people usually take them as they get more work experience. If you pass the first exam, you'll usually get hired on as a junior or associate.

    If you're interested in more of the finance/economics side and not so much the insurance and statistical modeling, you may want to take a look at a CFA. Again, lots of tests and not very easy tests, but definitely will get you into the investment analyst side of things.

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  • ClipseClipse Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    If you are interested, you can look at the various exams. You should be able to pass the first exam just out of college or in your senior year. But it does require a good calculus-based statistics course.

    Required knowledge From here:
    Candidates should be able to use and apply the following concepts in a risk management context:
    1. General Probability
    • Set functions including set notation and basic elements of probability
    • Mutually exclusive events
    • Addition and multiplication rules
    • Independence of events
    • Combinatorial probability
    • Conditional probability
    • Bayes Theorem / Law of total probability

    2. Univariate probability distributions (including binomial, negative binomial, geometric, hypergeometric, Poisson, uniform, exponential, gamma, and normal)
    • Probability functions and probability density functions
    • Cumulative distribution functions
    • Mode, median, percentiles, and moments
    • Variance and measures of dispersion
    • Moment generating functions
    • Transformations

    3. Multivariate probability distributions (including the bivariate normal)
    • Joint probability functions and joint probability density functions
    • Joint cumulative distribution functions
    • Central Limit Theorem
    • Conditional and marginal probability distributions
    • Moments for joint, conditional, and marginal probability distributions
    • Joint moment generating functions
    • Variance and measures of dispersion for conditional and marginal probability distributions
    • Covariance and correlation coefficients
    • Transformations and order statistics
    • Probabilities and moments for linear combinations of independent random variables

    There's 3 more exams after that but people usually take them as they get more work experience. If you pass the first exam, you'll usually get hired on as a junior or associate.

    If you're interested in more of the finance/economics side and not so much the insurance and statistical modeling, you may want to take a look at a CFA. Again, lots of tests and not very easy tests, but definitely will get you into the investment analyst side of things.

    There's 3 more exams in the basic line of exams. Then a dozen or so after that to advance to an associate and eventually a fellow of your actuarial society, which will be required to be very successful as an actuary. And that is assuming you only want to be a member of one actuarial society (there are two major societies in America, but they do share some exams).

    I have a few friends who are actuaries and they are all very happy with their careers, so it certainly has the potential to be an excellent choice. However, if you are either (a) bad at taking tests, or (b) the sort of person who avoided math classes like the plague, you may want to look elsewhere. Otherwise, brush up on probability and statistics, take the first exam, (pass it), and start applying for jobs. The Society of Actuaries (www.soa.org) and the Casualty Actuarial Society (www.casact.org) should both have recommended study materials for the exams on their websites.

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  • iowaiowa Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Thanks all; you gave me a lot to work with

    most of the material listed is stuff i'm familiar with and could brush up on, so i'm excited.

    this can probably be closed

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  • AnarchiaAnarchia Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I'm currently trying to get hired as an actuary. Just to let you know, it's gotten a lot harder recently to get hired compared to the past. Just a few years ago, you could get hired with one exam, or possibly none if they just had a really good feeling about you. Right now, I'm sitting on three exams (just got the results back on the third last week), graduated in May, and still don't have a job offer at this point. The fact that I didn't get an internship in college is really hurting me now. Your economics major won't really hurt you, though. Not too many schools offer an actuarial science major like mine did, so employers are generally looking at candidates that didn't major in it anyways.

    And you need to do a lot more than just brush up on these subjects. I'd suggest buying one of the study guides. You can find some of them listed by exam here: http://www.actuarialbookstore.com/exam_listing.asp And yeah, they're gonna cost you. For my last exam, it cost me three hundred dollars to sign up for the exam, and about half that for the study materials. And they expect you to study a shit ton. Pass rates for starting exams tend to sit somewhere between thirty and forty percent.

    Besides the exams, there are these things called VEE's, Validation by Educational Experience. Basically, you're encouraged to take certain courses in college so they don't need to test you on them later. If you don't take them, you need to take a mini-exam on the subject. You probably satisfied at least one of the three with your major already. This is the list, by university, of approved courses for VEE credits: http://www.soa.org/files/pdf/edu-vee-dir-approved-courses.pdf

    I wish you luck.

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