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    BehemothBehemoth Compulsive Seashell Collector Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    To be fair, Shutter Island
    Has a pretty obvious twist. It's almost too obvious.

    Still liked the movie, though.

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    mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Behemoth wrote: »
    To be fair, Shutter Island
    Has a pretty obvious twist. It's almost too obvious.

    Still liked the movie, though.

    Well yeah. It wasn't like unraveling the da Vinci code, or anything. Also, I agree that at one point it seemed too obvious to the point that I started to question it again.

    But I'm the kind of guy who can usually subconsciously detect an obvious twist, then completely manage to ignore it so that I still enjoy the movie and feel somewhat surprised. But if anybody points it out, the illusion is shattered and the experience...well, not "ruined" per se but certainly diminished.

    Except The Village.

    There was no ignoring how obvious that shit was.

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    BehemothBehemoth Compulsive Seashell Collector Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Behemoth wrote: »
    To be fair, Shutter Island
    Has a pretty obvious twist. It's almost too obvious.

    Still liked the movie, though.

    Well yeah. It wasn't like unraveling the da Vinci code, or anything. Also, I agree that at one point it seemed too obvious to the point that I started to question it again.

    But I'm the kind of guy who can usually subconsciously detect an obvious twist, then completely manage to ignore it so that I still enjoy the movie and feel somewhat surprised. But if anybody points it out, the illusion is shattered and the experience...well, not "ruined" per se but certainly diminished.

    Except The Village.

    There was no ignoring how obvious that shit was.

    Yeah, that kinda helped me enjoy it. "There's no way that's the twist!"

    But then when it was actually really well-done it was a pleasant surprise.

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    Mike DangerMike Danger "Diane..." a place both wonderful and strangeRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Well yeah. It wasn't like unraveling the da Vinci code, or anything. Also, I agree that at one point it seemed too obvious to the point that I started to question it again.


    I remember my friend leaning over to me at one point and saying, "It's all in his head!" I immediately retorted with "no way, that's way too simple!"

    Whoops.

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    GlalGlal AiredaleRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    mcdermott wrote: »
    But I'm the kind of guy who can usually subconsciously detect an obvious twist, then completely manage to ignore it so that I still enjoy the movie and feel somewhat surprised. But if anybody points it out, the illusion is shattered and the experience...well, not "ruined" per se but certainly diminished.
    Yeah, this is me exactly. I've trained myself to not try and guess at what will happen in the movie, as that usually just leads to disappointment (either because I guessed it or because my guess was better than the actual ending) and always leads to a diminished experience.

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Behemoth wrote: »
    To be fair, Shutter Island
    Has a pretty obvious twist. It's almost too obvious.

    Still liked the movie, though.

    Agreed.
    The minute in the opening where DiCaprio narrates that he's never met his new partner until he gets on the boat I figured the whole thing out.

    Shutter Island was one of Scorsese's least satisfying movies. It's really hamfisted and lazy.

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    SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I knew the ending of Shutter Island from the trailers, it was pretty obvious. What I didn't know was the specifics, and that's what made the movie so enjoyable despite being predictable.

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    MattieMattie Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Been on a documentary kick lately. About to watch Waiting for Superman. Next after that is Casino Jack

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Mattie wrote: »
    Been on a documentary kick lately. About to watch Waiting for Superman. Next after that is Casino Jack

    Inside Job is the one I'm really wanting to see, but I think I'm waiting for Netflix to get it.

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    TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Except The Village.

    There was no ignoring how obvious that shit was.

    There are kind of two "twists" to The Village. My brother guessed one and I guessed the other.
    I guessed the "monster" was fake, he guessed it was set in the present. Which in retrospect was really, really obvious because of how often they emphasized what year it was.

    That was really a film that would have been BETTER without the twists.

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    mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Tomanta wrote: »
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Except The Village.

    There was no ignoring how obvious that shit was.

    There are kind of two "twists" to The Village. My brother guessed one and I guessed the other.
    I guessed the "monster" was fake, he guessed it was set in the present. Which in retrospect was really, really obvious because of how often they emphasized what year it was.

    That was really a film that would have been BETTER without the twists.

    I guessed the second because it was the only reason I could come up with to explain the first, which was absurdly obvious.

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    GlalGlal AiredaleRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I didn't really mind The Village, it had a decent atmosphere and soundtrack. Maybe it's because the end twist just made me go "heh, okay", rather than expecting the twist to somehow make the movie.

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    JustinSane07JustinSane07 Really, stupid? Brockton__BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2011
    The Village is a movie that can be done well, except M. Night Shamalyn isn't the guy to do it. A better director could have made that movie work.

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    SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    yeah, I feel like if they had just played that movie straight it would have been better all around.

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    mrt144mrt144 King of the Numbernames Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Mattie wrote: »
    Been on a documentary kick lately. About to watch Waiting for Superman. Next after that is Casino Jack

    I can not recommend The Thin Blue Line enough. Phillip Glass soundtrack and about the wrongful conviction of a man in Texas...It's pretty much something I watch on a regular basis.

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Sentry wrote: »
    yeah, I feel like if they had just played that movie straight it would have been better all around.

    Indeed. The twist was just Shyamalan jerking off trying yet again to be "clever."

    The twist in Sixth Sense change the whole dynamic of the movie. The twist in Unbreakable did as well. The twist in Signs was retarded, but at least had a role in the outcome of the movie. The twist in The Village was worse than . . . The Scary Door.


    " . . . in the end, it was not guns or bombs that defeated the aliens, but that humblest of all God's creatures: the Tyrannosaurus Rex."

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    adytumadytum The Inevitable Rise And FallRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Pretty funny Cracked article, the first two points regarding Inception and Raiders of the Lost Ark.

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    He should have made The Last airbender good

    that'd be a twist

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    DeciusDecius I'm old! I'm fat! I'M BLUE!Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Speaking of documentaries, has anyone here watched Death of a President?
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    Years after the assassination of President George W. Bush in Chicago, an investigative documentary examines that as-yet-unsolved crime.

    It's an interesting little...I guess you could call it reverse documentary. It was surrounded in controversy (at least in the US from what I heard) when it was released. I rather enjoyed it, probably thanks to not having any emotional/patriotic links to the subject matter. Definitely highlighted some of the racism issues at the time; some that are still prevalent.

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    WashWash Sweet Christmas Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    He should have made The Last airbender good

    that'd be a twist

    <3

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    durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    The best part of The Village is that they keep emphasizing the year over and over to fool...

    Well, the audience I guess. It's not as though kids born there would be like "hey! It's 2006!" Where are our computers?"

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    The best part of The Village is that they keep emphasizing the year over and over to fool...

    Well, the audience I guess. It's not as though kids born there would be like "hey! It's 2006!" Where are our computers?"

    I also failed to see how the adults who began the Village could hope to keep up the charade for generations to come. At some point down the line, wouldn't it just be a big pool of incest and school kids wondering why their textbooks are 100 years old?

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    The best part of The Village is that they keep emphasizing the year over and over to fool...

    Well, the audience I guess. It's not as though kids born there would be like "hey! It's 2006!" Where are our computers?"

    I also failed to see how the adults who began the Village could hope to keep up the charade for generations to come. At some point down the line, wouldn't it just be a big pool of incest and school kids wondering why their textbooks are 100 years old?

    Move em to Mississippi

    no one will notice the difference

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    Modern ManModern Man Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    The best part of The Village is that they keep emphasizing the year over and over to fool...

    Well, the audience I guess. It's not as though kids born there would be like "hey! It's 2006!" Where are our computers?"

    I also failed to see how the adults who began the Village could hope to keep up the charade for generations to come. At some point down the line, wouldn't it just be a big pool of incest and school kids wondering why their textbooks are 100 years old?
    The founders of the Village weren't the most stable of people. Their plan was never realistic, it was just them trying to escape reality. I didn't have a problem with that part of it, but I think the movie should have ended with the whole thing falling apart and the truth being revealed to everyone in the village.

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    ShawnaseeShawnasee Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I'm in love with Shutter Island...it only got better watching it a 2nd time.

    There are scenes in there that are just gut wrenching and I really feel that
    everytime Michelle Williams shows up, DiCap's whole persona changes to just total heartbreak, loss and love. I really feel for him in those scenes.

    I thought it was one of his better performances.

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    SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Shawnasee wrote: »
    I'm in love with Shutter Island...it only got better watching it a 2nd time.

    There are scenes in there that are just gut wrenching and I really feel that
    everytime Michelle Williams shows up, DiCap's whole persona changes to just total heartbreak, loss and love. I really feel for him in those scenes.

    I thought it was one of his better performances.

    See, I agree with this completely. I think people who watch just for the twist are missing something really great that happened in that movie. I absolutely loved it, despite knowing (somewhat) what was going to happen.

    I also think there's a really good movie somewhere in the Village, and wish someone would just remake it.

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    Mike DangerMike Danger "Diane..." a place both wonderful and strangeRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I really like the sets in Shutter Island, especially Ben Kingsley's office and house. I couldn't tell you what it is that I like about them, though. :S

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    TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I liked Shutter Island well enough to say I liked it, but it wasn't as good as I was hoping. I think I might have liked it better
    if there was some big conspiracy to keep a secret on the island.
    like they were a cult trying to raise Cthulhu.

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    SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    well, yeah, I mean including
    Cthulhu

    would make anything better...

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    CommunistCowCommunistCow Abstract Metal ThingyRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Mattie wrote: »
    Been on a documentary kick lately. About to watch Waiting for Superman. Next after that is Casino Jack

    Inside Job is the one I'm really wanting to see, but I think I'm waiting for Netflix to get it.

    If you haven't watched Food, Inc. yet, go and do so. Completely changed the way I shop for food.

    Waiting for Superman is good but just remember that 4 out of 5 charter schools do about the same or worse than public schools. They point that out towards the beginning but then don't spend much more time on it for the rest of the movie or really try and explain why some are better than others. Both of the ones Atomic recommended are pretty good and if you haven't seen it check out No End In Sight which was the first documentary by the Inside Job guys.

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    TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Man forget those depressing documentaries, check out Decline of Western Civilization Part II: The Metal Years.

    And Anvil! The Story of Anvil.

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    adytumadytum The Inevitable Rise And FallRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Next up from Netflix: Pandorum

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    Sangheili91Sangheili91 Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I've got some friends who are theater majors, and today we got into a pretty heated debate. They claim that if a movie is based on a true story, it doesn't deserve to win best picture. Similarly, if an actor is portraying someone in a movie based on a true story, they don't deserve any award for that, either. They said it was because "it's easy to imitate someone, building a character is the real deal" or something to that effect. They were very passionate about that.

    Personally, I think that is total bullshit. Thoughts?

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    Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    edited March 2011
    I've got some friends who are theater majors, and today we got into a pretty heated debate. They claim that if a movie is based on a true story, it doesn't deserve to win best picture. Similarly, if an actor is portraying someone in a movie based on a true story, they don't deserve any award for that, either. They said it was because "it's easy to imitate someone, building a character is the real deal" or something to that effect. They were very passionate about that.

    Personally, I think that is total bullshit. Thoughts?

    total bullshit

    fucking theater people

    you shouldn't even be hanging out with them

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    mrt144mrt144 King of the Numbernames Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I've got some friends who are theater majors, and today we got into a pretty heated debate. They claim that if a movie is based on a true story, it doesn't deserve to win best picture. Similarly, if an actor is portraying someone in a movie based on a true story, they don't deserve any award for that, either. They said it was because "it's easy to imitate someone, building a character is the real deal" or something to that effect. They were very passionate about that.

    Personally, I think that is total bullshit. Thoughts?

    Theater people live in the most insular world imaginable.

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    Torso BoyTorso Boy Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I've got some friends who are theater majors, and today we got into a pretty heated debate. They claim that if a movie is based on a true story, it doesn't deserve to win best picture. Similarly, if an actor is portraying someone in a movie based on a true story, they don't deserve any award for that, either. They said it was because "it's easy to imitate someone, building a character is the real deal" or something to that effect. They were very passionate about that.

    Personally, I think that is total bullshit. Thoughts?

    It's one thing to have a coherent opinion and be incorrect. These guys are not in that camp, they are full of shit and don't know what they are talking about. The fact that they're theatre majors makes their claims even more pathetic.

    Be a good friend and let them know they have their heads up their asses.

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    DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Irond Will wrote: »
    I've got some friends who are theater majors, and today we got into a pretty heated debate. They claim that if a movie is based on a true story, it doesn't deserve to win best picture. Similarly, if an actor is portraying someone in a movie based on a true story, they don't deserve any award for that, either. They said it was because "it's easy to imitate someone, building a character is the real deal" or something to that effect. They were very passionate about that.

    Personally, I think that is total bullshit. Thoughts?

    total bullshit

    fucking theater people

    you shouldn't even be hanging out with them



    ^Agreed. They're a bad influence on you.

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    TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Irond Will wrote: »
    I've got some friends who are theater majors, and today we got into a pretty heated debate. They claim that if a movie is based on a true story, it doesn't deserve to win best picture. Similarly, if an actor is portraying someone in a movie based on a true story, they don't deserve any award for that, either. They said it was because "it's easy to imitate someone, building a character is the real deal" or something to that effect. They were very passionate about that.

    Personally, I think that is total bullshit. Thoughts?

    total bullshit

    fucking theater people

    you shouldn't even be hanging out with them

    Hey, my brother is a theater person!

    Who would probably agree that it is bullshit.

    That being said, I do feel that way about some other categories, like costumes. But the nominees from those categories are selected by professionals (in that example, costume designers only) so... whatever.

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    As a theatre person, those people are morons.

    I guess you can just pull any jackasses off the street and shove them onstage for a great performance of "The Crucible," right? since most of those characters are based on real people.

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I went to film school, and even I can't stand theater people.

    Though that may have more to do with dating two of them.


    Though that may be a stronger assurance of their weirdness.

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