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I'm meeting the Chief of Police to voice concerns. Help?

powersspowerss Registered User regular
edited January 2011 in Help / Advice Forum
So, I live in a Bay Area, California city (300k people) in a 'burb that up until the last 3 years or so has been very, very quiet. But slowly and surely, crime has gone up. Examples of crime, which are MOSTLY quality of life issues:

- Vandalism (Graffiti, Cars vandalized, Windows shot with pellet guns, eggings, local park was 4wheeled - grass destroyed, bleach bombs on people's doorsteps, etc)
- Traffic Issues (Blatant speeding, ignoring of stop signs, crazy accidents in 25mph zones)
- Drug Dealing (Small shopping center in the middle of the neighborhood is utterly ghettoized, graffiti, loitering)
- Breaking & Entering (Car break-ins, houses broken into, etc)

There's an utter lack of Policing in my neighborhood. You could go 3 days without seeing a patrol drive by. Also, the neighborhood is majority Asian/Indian, and I've found them to be unreliable at best for reporting issues to the Police. When the park was completely torn apart by some guys in trucks, I called the police department and no one had reported it - and this was a couple days later.

What can I ask/demand/say that will make me seem not like an asshole, not like blaming the police, but wanting something to be done?

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  • powersspowerss Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Hit submit too soon! Edting the post... sorry guys.

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  • powersspowerss Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Just to temper this a bit as well, the average home price in this neighborhoood is something like 650k. Low end is 250 all the way to 800+ So it's not a "bad" neighborhood, but you can't safely leave your (nice) car on the street anymore.

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  • ihmmyihmmy Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Evidence ALWAYS helps. Pictures, preferably with the date stamp visible, written statements, video, whatever you have.

    Does your neighbourhood have a community association at all? I know my community assoc. works closely with police, and even does community neighbourhood walks in the summer evenings to keep an eye out for mischief

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  • powersspowerss Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I have photos of the accidents, because they're just so shockingly bad (How do you flip a car in a 25MPH zone?)... I'm more asking on what exactly I should ask. I'm going to tell him all of the above, but I dont know how to cap it... do I just say "What are you gonna do about it?"

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  • MetalbourneMetalbourne Inside a cluster b personalityRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    powerss wrote: »
    "What are you gonna do about it?"

    It helps to suggest a solution. something like, "can we have an officer patrol the area more often?"

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  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    powerss wrote: »
    What can I ask/demand/say that will make me seem not like an asshole, not like blaming the police, but wanting something to be done?

    I'd say that what you have there is a pretty good start.
    I might leave out the bit about Asians and Indians being unreliable when it comes to reporting stuff though. Regardless of if it's true or not, it could come off as racist and that may count against you (especially if the police chief is Indian or Asian).

    You may want to offer some solutions beyond "The cops should be doing something". Maybe a neighbor hood watch program, some speed bumps to slow people down etc... Also, decide in advance what you actually want from the cops. Do you want them to do a drive through of your area every day? Twice a day? Three times on Sundays? Really, you should have some quantifiable idea of what you want from the meeting.

    Also, have you talked with your neighbors at all? Encourage them to call the police when shit happens. If the cops don't get any reports then your neighborhood is on the map as a nice place with expensive homes that doesn't need to call the cops. Not really a place a (likely short handed and under funded) police department is going to detail a lot of manpower to.

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  • powersspowerss Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    We had a neighborhood watch a long time ago (when it wasn't necessary)... dissolved now. I've tried peitioning the head of traffic engineering for new stop signs and speed bumps, but he deemed it unnecessary (this was after a child was killed walking from school)

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  • FFFF Once Upon a Time In OaklandRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I would ask if the police/city has the same kind of thing other Bay Area city have in regards to putting pressure on businesses that "let" the drug dealing/loitering/etc go without calling the cops. So, for example, in Oakland they have complaint forms you can fill out to report dealing/loitering/other disturbances that happen regularly outside liquor stores, etc.

    Also, if I had the chance to ask, I would see if maybe you could convince cops to hang around pulling over speeders and the like if you expressed the monetary benefits of doing so to the police/city.

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  • MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    FF wrote: »
    I would ask if the police/city has the same kind of thing other Bay Area city have in regards to putting pressure on businesses that "let" the drug dealing/loitering/etc go without calling the cops. So, for example, in Oakland they have complaint forms you can fill out to report dealing/loitering/other disturbances that happen regularly outside liquor stores, etc.

    Also, if I had the chance to ask, I would see if maybe you could convince cops to hang around pulling over speeders and the like if you expressed the monetary benefits of doing so to the police/city.

    Exactly. What benefit do the police get? Or less cynically, what will offset the cost of increasing manpower/equipment in your area over another? If you can find out roughly how much a beat cop makes in your area, that would help too. Cost of signs/bumps might be harder to come by, but maybe not.

    Also as mentioned earlier, if no one is reporting these things, then of course they're not going to be around. Yes, they (police) should have an idea it's going on, but more calls = more response, hopefully. Of course also means potential new buyers scared away from your fancy houses too.

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  • MrMonroeMrMonroe passed out on the floor nowRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    South Bay or East Bay?

    Look, police forces have extremely entrenched anti-reform momentum. Everywhere. The chances are they know about the problem and are ignoring it because they have "better things to do."

    You've also not said in what capacity you are meeting with the chief, or what the size of the chief's jurisdiction is. If you're a private citizen and you're getting a courtesy meeting, you're unlikely to get anything other than a "I promise to look into your concerns" and then zero action whatsoever. The CoP can't increase his own funding, he can't put more patrol cars on the streets, he can't increase the number of beat cops there are walking around. Beyond that, even if he could do those things, it won't change the culture of the area. The best you can hope for in situations like that is to force the most obvious criminality into less visible areas.

    Get involved in your homeowner's association (if there is one). Attempt to get a neighborhood watch program started (and, in order to head off anti-police resistance to this idea, explain to people that you would like it to function as a Cop Watch as well, capable of identifying not just criminality but police misconduct). If people are calling the police when they see something happening that is worth far, far more than a few extra patrol cars.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2011
    Police can't get more budget for more patrols to certain areas if those areas are not calling in. Omaha has the same problem in certain communities.

    If you're waiting days to report stuff too.. you're not helping much either. You need to call in everything you see worth calling in right when it happens.

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  • Lord YodLord Yod Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Fremont's going through some major cuts due to the NUMMI plant closing and a lot of jobs leaving the area. A while back they took the step of not responding to burglar alarms at businesses anymore in order to save something like a million bucks a year.

    Basically what I'm saying is that talking to the police chief is unlikely to get you any results in the form of increased resources. What you should really do is talk to the city council, since they set the budget.

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  • EWomEWom Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    A lot of the crime you describe sounds like it fits bored rich teenagers. Maybe there are just a bunch of assholes who now have the resources to be even bigger assholes. Because if there's one thing hollywood has taught us, its that rich teenagers are the biggest assholes in the universe. Which the police probably wouldn't do shit about except maybe give them a stern talking to, once.

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  • IronKnuckle's GhostIronKnuckle's Ghost This is also my fault Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    OP it seems that if you're concerned enough to take pictures, call in, and meet with the chief of police you're also concerned enough to head up the reconstituted neighborhood watch, meet with your homeowners' association, and talk with the city. A lot of people in your area probably feel the same way and will help out once they have someone to follow. Consider this your opportunity to be the main character in an RPG!

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  • powersspowerss Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Here's the thing: I'm leaving the neighborhood in a month. But my mother still lives there. So I'm doing it for her.

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  • VisionOfClarityVisionOfClarity Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Then your mother should get involved.

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  • brain operatorbrain operator Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    powerss wrote: »
    "What are you gonna do about it?"
    "What do you think can be done about this?" sounds a little less direct. Doesn't matter that this really is the police's responsibility, being subtle about it doesn't hurt.

    powerss wrote: »
    Here's the thing: I'm leaving the neighborhood in a month. But my mother still lives there. So I'm doing it for her.
    This should have no bearing on the issue itself, really. I mean, that doesn't make it any better, does it?

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