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Wife Cheated, Do I Have Any Rights?

LondonBridgeLondonBridge __BANNED USERS regular
edited February 2007 in Help / Advice Forum
Caught my wife cheating last night (not the 1st time), with audio proof. Anyways, it was ugly afterwards and I'm sure a divorce is down the road. Thankfully we have no kids.

We have a car and house in both our names. I make more than double she does and pay for most of the bill. My question is since she committed the adultery do I have any rights? We live in Virginia if that matters.

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  • OhioOhio Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I've no idea about laws, but it seems like with audio proof (if it's really "proof" as you say), then you should be ok.

    Sorry about your marriage.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited February 2007
    Not unless you had a pre nup.

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2007
    That sucks, London, sorry to hear it.

    This might help clarify things.

    I won't bother quoting it, because most of it seems relevant, so go read it all. You want to pay particular attention to the sections "1. What are the Grounds for Divorce?; Divorce from the Bond of Matrimony; b. Adultery, sodomy, or buggery" which explains that you have grounds for divorce if you have evidence of her infidelity, "2. What property rights are created by marriage and Divorce?" which explains that there is generally an 50/50 dispersal of 'marital property' and "3. When is Spousal Support Awarded?" which suggests that, as the primary bread earner, you may get hit up for spousal support.

    As I understand it, even although she is guilty of the infidelity, she doesn't necessarily forfeit her rights to half of everything you communally own or spousal support.

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  • PirateJonPirateJon Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I am not a divorce lawyer licensed in Va.

    I doubt anyone posting is a divorce lawyer in Va.

    You will need a divorce lawyer licensed in Va.

    Hesitating on getting one or doing what you think you should do or what the internet told you to do is a BAD idea.

    Call a lawyer.

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  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2007
    PirateJon wrote:
    I am not a divorce lawyer licensed in Va.

    I doubt anyone posting is a divorce lawyer in Va.

    You will need a divorce lawyer licensed in Va.

    Hesitating on getting one or doing what you think you should do or what the internet told you to do is a BAD idea.

    Call a lawyer.
    Read the rules, douchebag.
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    Rules ClarificationsHey! I don't think you should be asking for advice on SUBJECT X in here, because no one here could possibly be equipped to tell you anything of value! Hey, waitaminutewhyamIjailed?
    Well, because you're a stupid asshole. Don't bother posting here for the sole purpose of discouraging people from seeking H/A in H/A. You don't actually know that no one here is properly equipped to provide valid advice, and even if no one is, it will still be obvious when bad advice is being given. Now even if that is the case, and the only advice offered clearly isn't very good, there's still a decent shot someone here has experienced a highly similar situation, and that they can lend support which is valuable. So don't bitch that people are asking for H/A in H/A because you think the subject is too serious for the Internet to handle.

    But that other guy just said he should see a professional on SUBJECT X!
    There's a line to be drawn between slagging the mere thought of H/A being provided in H/A on a subject, and recommending the attention of a professional in addition to any direct advice offered here. If you can't see that, that's okay, you're not the one whose duty it is to do so. If you disagree on where I've drawn that line, take it to PM's.

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  • EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Yeah, without a prenup she gets 50%. Unless you can somehow show that you did something or were responsible for some aspect of the financial aspect of your marriage and that her cheating has caused you mental or financial stress/strain, in which case you may be able to essentially "sue" her during the divorce proceedings. Your lawyer should be able to go over the details, if they exist in VA.

    You've obviously got grounds, although there's always the cop-out "we just don't get along." The fact that you have proof isn't going to be all that useful other than to work as a starting point, and a backup in case she fights it.

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  • FawkesFawkes __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2007
    The rules are wrong, PirateJon is correct. Sad but true.

    Good luck / bad luck, however you look at it London, but really, see a lawyer.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited February 2007
    If you don't have anything to contribute, don't post.

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  • King KongKing Kong Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Yeah, without a prenup she gets 50%.

    This is pretty much wrong depending on state laws. Honestly having gone thru 2 divorces and my state laws in all honesty he who can afford to fight wins.

    This notion lots of people have of "she gets 50%" is usually BS. Best advice is get a lawyer and if you really give a fuck about keeping what you think is yours, don't get emotional and fight as long and as hard as you can.

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  • FellhandFellhand Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Get a lawyer and she doesn't always get 50/50. It's going to depend on what kind of judge you get as well.

    You might get a greater share because you make more and have brought more to the marriage, but then again she's 'used to living' at the current level and some judges think it's 'wrong' to take that away from someone.

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  • DynagripDynagrip Break me a million hearts HoustonRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2007
    LondonBridge, aren't you TangledThorns? Define cheating, please. I thought you were a swinger. If you have what could be considered out there lifestyle/sex-life, I think that'll make things less clear in court. Though y'all should try to stay out of court regardless. Good luck, I guess.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2007
    One bit of advice:

    Unless your wife is really some horrible, evil person - and just being unfaithful usually doesn't qualify - I'd hesitate to try to fuck her over as much as possible. While I'm sure this is painful for you, you (I assume) shared a lot over the years, and she probably doesn't deserve to be kicked out into the street with nothing but a suitcase full of clothes, even if it's in your legal right to do so.

    If nothing else, you'll have the piece of mind of being the bigger person, here. I'd probably try to do as close to a 50/50 split as is practical, though if you own a house with a lot of equity, this could be difficult. Still, your focus should be on getting through this, not sticking it to the hussy.

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  • PirateJonPirateJon Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Curse my coarse Irish tongue. I oh so humbly beg pardon for my unintentional transgression. What I obviously meant to say is...



    Divorce is handled by the courts so you are asking for advice that is of a legal nature. Since laws vary by jurisdiction the advice you receive in an international forum by people discussing "the law" may not be applicable or advisable in your situation. Furthermore, much depends on circumstances beyond what you have posted.

    Due to this I would strongly advise you to seek qualified legal representation ASAP. Not just for answers to your questions, but for your own protection in the event your unfaithful wife decides to legally act first. Divorce can change people and while you may be willing to be the bigger person, you should be prepared for anything. I would tend to agree with my divorced friend that having the former love of your life lie about his actions to police and judges "sucks".

    And even if you decide to attempt to overcome this incident, your council can advise you on the best way to document your attempts at reconciliation in the unfortunate event of a relapse and subsequent divorce proceedings.

    As in many things, the best way to find a lawyer is by word of mouth. If you do not already have a relationship with a trustworthy lawyer that could provide you with a qualified specialist, ask friends and associates that do retain legal services you could consult for a referral.

    One piece of advice to tide you over until you speak with a professional is "DO NO HARM." Do not assault or threaten, do not close bank accounts, do not change locks, do not call her family friends or job. Judges seem to take a very dim view of these acts and you may be liable for damages.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    A lot of this is going to depend on whether or not Virginia is a "no-fault" divorce state. If Virginia is a "no-fault" divorce state, it doesn't matter that your wife fucked around; the court doesn't take that into account when it comes to division of marital assets.

    The best thing to do is to make it as easy on yourself and amicable as possible, under the circumstances. I realize that that's probably impossible, but the less you fight, the more the two of you end up with, and the less the lawyers get.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Ten minutes of looking later:
    20-91. Grounds for divorce from bond of matrimony; contents of decree.

    A. A divorce from the bond of matrimony may be decreed:

    (1) For adultery; or for sodomy or buggery committed outside the marriage;
    § 20-107.1. Court may decree as to maintenance and support of spouses.

    E. The court, in determining whether to award support and maintenance for a spouse, shall consider the circumstances and factors which contributed to the dissolution of the marriage, specifically including adultery and any other ground for divorce under the provisions of subdivision (3) or (6) of § 20-91 or § 20-95. In determining the nature, amount and duration of an award pursuant to this section, the court shall consider the following:

    1. The obligations, needs and financial resources of the parties, including but not limited to income from all pension, profit sharing or retirement plans, of whatever nature;

    2. The standard of living established during the marriage;

    3. The duration of the marriage;

    4. The age and physical and mental condition of the parties and any special circumstances of the family;

    5. The extent to which the age, physical or mental condition or special circumstances of any child of the parties would make it appropriate that a party not seek employment outside of the home;

    6. The contributions, monetary and nonmonetary, of each party to the well-being of the family;

    7. The property interests of the parties, both real and personal, tangible and intangible;

    8. The provisions made with regard to the marital property under § 20-107.3;

    9. The earning capacity, including the skills, education and training of the parties and the present employment opportunities for persons possessing such earning capacity;

    10. The opportunity for, ability of, and the time and costs involved for a party to acquire the appropriate education, training and employment to obtain the skills needed to enhance his or her earning ability;

    11. The decisions regarding employment, career, economics, education and parenting arrangements made by the parties during the marriage and their effect on present and future earning potential, including the length of time one or both of the parties have been absent from the job market;

    12. The extent to which either party has contributed to the attainment of education, training, career position or profession of the other party; and

    13. Such other factors, including the tax consequences to each party, as are necessary to consider the equities between the parties.

    So, basically, get a lawyer. But if you can look at these before you go in you'll know what kinds of things you'll get asked and you will know what your best arguments are.

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  • CangoFettCangoFett Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I too will suggest that a Lawyer is far better at this than any of us here. And too my understanding, hesitating on making decisions on getting a lawyer tends to make things worse.

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  • EinhanderEinhander __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2007
    CangoFett wrote:
    I too will suggest that a Lawyer is far better at this than any of us here. And too my understanding, hesitating on making decisions on getting a lawyer tends to make things worse.

    The main reason that I wouls suggest you see a lawyer as soon as possible is because if she is cheating on you (multiple times) and you can prove it, there is a chance she may already have a lawyer of her own.

    While you may or may not want to stick it to her, you'll definitely want to protect your own interests, especially if (financially) you have been the one who has provided payment for the majority of the house, car, things like that.

    Don't play dirty, but don't assume she won't.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Also it might be prudent to maybe stay in a hotel or with friends for a while.

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  • LondonBridgeLondonBridge __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2007
    Malkor wrote:
    Also it might be prudent to maybe stay in a hotel or with friends for a while.

    After I showed her that I 'caught' her cheating. She tried to walk away and ignore me and we had the worse fight ever. Surprised the cops were never called as things were smashed. Threw all her clothes down the stairs, poured lube all over clothes and the bedroom, smashed our wedding picture with glass going all over the place. It was a very ugly scene.

    I think she should leave for cheating on me, isn't that how it is in the movies? My PC, home entertainment center, my dog, and everything else is in that house. I am not leaving. May sleep in different beds for the weekend but hopefully tomorrow I can reach a lawyer, if not then Monday.

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  • EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    That's ugly, man. You may wish to lock your bedroom door while you sleep, as it sounds like she's not exactly rational right now.

    As for the police thing, if you two get in a fight again and she starts flipping out, don't be afraid to call the police yourself. I realize that your story may be one sided (as in, you may have also done stuff that wasn't exactly "friendly"), but watch out for your personal safety, man.

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  • MothercruncherMothercruncher __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2007
    Malkor wrote:
    Also it might be prudent to maybe stay in a hotel or with friends for a while.

    After I showed her that I 'caught' her cheating. She tried to walk away and ignore me and we had the worse fight ever. Surprised the cops were never called as things were smashed. Threw all her clothes down the stairs, poured lube all over clothes and the bedroom, smashed our wedding picture with glass going all over the place. It was a very ugly scene.

    I think she should leave for cheating on me, isn't that how it is in the movies? My PC, home entertainment center, my dog, and everything else is in that house. I am not leaving. May sleep in different beds for the weekend but hopefully tomorrow I can reach a lawyer, if not then Monday.

    Get a good lawer. Give her 0%.

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  • blue powderblue powder Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Yeah, it sounds like she doesn't care much for your well being, I highly recomend you get a good lawyer.
    Perosnaly I think she should get fucked, move in with her mother or something, you keep the house with all your belongings. She obviously doesn't care for your feelings or anything, don't let her fuck you over. And don't trust her at all.

    EDIT: Don't let her steal shit either, take things that are important to you over to a friends house or something.

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  • DerrickDerrick Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    http://www.divorcenet.com/states/virginia/va_divorce

    If you can prove adultery you won't have to pay alimony.

    I'm not sure about the acquiring of assets.

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  • LondonBridgeLondonBridge __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2007
    Derrick wrote:
    http://www.divorcenet.com/states/virginia/va_divorce

    If you can prove adultery you won't have to pay alimony.

    I'm not sure about the acquiring of assets.

    That site has some great articles, thanks. As for an update we're somewhat still together. Divorce is a pain in the ass and expensive so I'm doing what I can to keep the marriage alive. So far her willingness is very low so may talk to a lawyer this week.

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2007
    Do NOT stay in this marriage just because divorce is expensive and difficult. You'll end up 50-years-old and miserable. Considering she's the one that cheated, if she's not groveling at this point to keep the marriage together, you have absolutely no reason to stay with her.

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  • PirateJonPirateJon Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    That site has some great articles, thanks. As for an update we're somewhat still together. Divorce is a pain in the ass and expensive so I'm doing what I can to keep the marriage alive. So far her willingness is very low so may talk to a lawyer this week.


    Do you know why divorce is so expensive?
    [spoiler:6e50859c17]Because it's worth it. [/spoiler:6e50859c17]

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  • LondonBridgeLondonBridge __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2007
    Do NOT stay in this marriage just because divorce is expensive and difficult. You'll end up 50-years-old and miserable. Considering she's the one that cheated, if she's not groveling at this point to keep the marriage together, you have absolutely no reason to stay with her.

    That is an excellent point. She isn't showing much remorse so if I stay it in the way it is then I'm setting myself for more disappointment.

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  • SquashuaSquashua __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2007
    PirateJon wrote:
    I am not a divorce lawyer licensed in Va.

    I doubt anyone posting is a divorce lawyer in Va.

    You will need a divorce lawyer licensed in Va.

    Hesitating on getting one or doing what you think you should do or what the internet told you to do is a BAD idea.

    Call a lawyer.

    F' 'em all, call a lawyer now. A good one.

    Edit: By the way, who'd she cheat with?

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  • YarYar Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Yeah I thought this was the porno-hot swinger wife you're talking about? How does cheating occur?

    Anyway, all state bar associations have a lawyer referral service. It's all tied into a national one as well. Here's Virginia.

    Referring someone to their state bar's referral service is the official answer to any legal question.

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  • LondonBridgeLondonBridge __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2007
    My wife is an attractive whore who she cheated on me with some guy she met on the internets, fuck you Myspace!

    Anyways, we have a car valued at $20,000 (BMW Z3) and a house at $300,000 (we paid $200k). I'm thinking of giving her the car and maybe a low ball amount a month for maybe a year to see if she'll leave, I keep the house and everything inside. I'll try to sell this by saying she can start fresh while she is young (26) and we don't have to involve lawyers or family.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2007
    No, get a lawyer. You don't want to leave a loophole or other legal problem open. It'll be worth it to get a lawyer, as they can draft up legally binding arguments and once hired, spend most of their time studying the law for you.

    For instance, in Nebraska, the only way to get divorced is to be legally seperated for an entire year. If there's a simliar law there, any loan/thing/credit line she takes out, you will be responsible for it too.

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  • King KongKing Kong Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    For instance, in Nebraska, the only way to get divorced is to be legally seperated for an entire year.

    Not that this can help out a fellow man whose had his heart ripped out but me living and getting divorced in NE I can say that this is not true.

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  • Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Malkor wrote:
    Also it might be prudent to maybe stay in a hotel or with friends for a while.

    After I showed her that I 'caught' her cheating. She tried to walk away and ignore me and we had the worse fight ever. Surprised the cops were never called as things were smashed. Threw all her clothes down the stairs, poured lube all over clothes and the bedroom, smashed our wedding picture with glass going all over the place. It was a very ugly scene.

    I think she should leave for cheating on me, isn't that how it is in the movies? My PC, home entertainment center, my dog, and everything else is in that house. I am not leaving. May sleep in different beds for the weekend but hopefully tomorrow I can reach a lawyer, if not then Monday.

    Now I'm not accuse you of hitting women or anything like that. But from now on, be damm carefull about any fights you get in. If she can prove she has been abused then she can argue that she was driven to cheating and it can help a long way in the divorce proceedings.

    Like it was said earlier, don't be afraid to call the cops.

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  • King KongKing Kong Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Something I just thought of.

    My ex tried to keep our cat just to be a spiteful bitch. If you animal is registered with local humane society (which it should be) who's name is on the paperwork?

    I got to keep the cat simply because I was the only name on the humane society paperwork.

    If it's not registered go do it ASAP.

    My buddy had his Rot taken by his ex ...what a fucking whore.

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  • Arch Guru XXArch Guru XX Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    FyreWulff wrote:
    No, get a lawyer. You don't want to leave a loophole or other legal problem open. It'll be worth it to get a lawyer, as they can draft up legally binding arguments and once hired, spend most of their time studying the law for you.

    For instance, in Nebraska, the only way to get divorced is to be legally seperated for an entire year. If there's a simliar law there, any loan/thing/credit line she takes out, you will be responsible for it too.

    My mom told me that this - the year-long separation - was the case in VA, based on when she started to divorce my dad. I don't know if it applies in all cases, though; my dad died before they could go through the entire divorce. But definitely look into this, because if it applies to you you'll need to separate ASAP.

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  • YarYar Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    My wife is an attractive whore who she cheated on me with some guy she met on the internets, fuck you Myspace!

    Anyways, we have a car valued at $20,000 (BMW Z3) and a house at $300,000 (we paid $200k). I'm thinking of giving her the car and maybe a low ball amount a month for maybe a year to see if she'll leave, I keep the house and everything inside. I'll try to sell this by saying she can start fresh while she is young (26) and we don't have to involve lawyers or family.
    The referral service I linked you will only cost you $35 to talk to a divorce attorney in your area for 1/2 hour. At least do that. You could do this whole plan and then a year later she can just sue you for divorce and your "agreement" will mean nothing. Your marriage is a matter of public legal record, so should be the dissolution of that marriage.

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  • LondonBridgeLondonBridge __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2007
    Well, we discussed last night we'll try a trial seperation and she'll find a place and move out. We're still living together till she finds a place. She blames me for pushing her to cheat. I think our problem is we carry the baggage of resentment too long and now its peaked. Anyways, I'd hate to see her go but its for the best.

    I think I'll be back here on how to cope :|

    So... bad idea to throw a party once she leaves?

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  • EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Well, we discussed last night we'll try a trial seperation and she'll find a place and move out. We're still living together till she finds a place. She blames me for pushing her to cheat. I think our problem is we carry the baggage of resentment too long and now its peaked. Anyways, I'd hate to see her go but its for the best.

    I think I'll be back here on how to cope :|

    So... bad idea to throw a party once she leaves?

    No, good idea. Just don't sleep with anyone, and don't get drunk. Watch a comedy that doesn't deal with cheating or infidelity.

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  • HazzelhoffHazzelhoff Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    She blames me for pushing her to cheat

    this is a defensive mechanism that she uses to make herself believe that doing one of the worst legal things in the world wasn't her fault.

    P.S. party hard when she's gone. don't invit her friends

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  • SeñorAmorSeñorAmor !!! Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Hazzelhoff wrote:
    She blames me for pushing her to cheat

    this is a defensive mechanism that she uses to make herself believe that doing one of the worst legal things in the world wasn't her fault.

    P.S. party hard when she's gone. don't invit her friends

    Agreed. Be sure you do not let her guilt you into thinking this was your fault.

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