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The Mixed Martial Arts thread
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This thread is for the discourse and/or debate of my favorite sport: Mixed Martial Arts. Please discuss all recent (within a month or two) fight results with spoiler tags, some people watch pay-per-views later than they originally air.
There's three big fights in tonight's UFC pay-per-view:
Quinton Jackson, aka Rampage, is making his UFC debut after having a stellar run at PRIDE. Tonight he'll be fighting Marvin Eastman, trying to avenge a loss from the beginning of his career. Rampage has come a very long way since those days, and it was a close fight, so I gotta give it to him. Eastman is still in good shape though, so it won't be easy.
Prediction: Rampage in the third round by ground and pound stoppage. Like this:
Also making the switch from PRIDE to UFC is Croation member of parliament, Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic. Cro Cop comes to the UFC as one of the most dominant fighters in the history of the sport. He'll be "fighting" heavyweight tomato-can Eddie Sanchez. And by "fighting" I mean, "kicking the living shit out of".
Prediction: Cro Cop by head kick, first round. Like this (notice how big his legs are):
The main event of the night was supposed to be a middleweight title fight between champion Anderson "Spider" Silvia and Ultimate Fighter reality show winner Travis Lutter. But Lutter couldn't make weight, so now the title isn't on the line.
Silvia has freakishly long arms and legs, and may be pound for pound the best striker in the sport. Lutter's a great, if orthodox, jiujitsu man. I predict Lutter trying to clinch for a takedown, only to eat too many knees.
Prediction: Spider by knees, first round.
Also, Scott Smith from the Ultimate Fighter reality show has a fight against some no-name. Smith's fight against Pete Sell had maybe the craziest ending I've ever seen in a fight.
In other MMA news, supposedly Randy Couture has come out of retirement to fight Heavyweight champion Tim Sylvia soon. Sylvia is one of the least interesting fighters ever. His last several fights have involved nothing but Sylvia pacing around defensively trying not to lose. Couture should whip him good, though I wanted to watch Cro Cop beat him down. Either way Couture vs. Cro Cop would be amazing.
Youtube Links:
Rampage and Eastman's first fight
Anderson Silvia highlight video (gets watchable at 2:00)
Cro Cop highlight video
Scott Smith vs. Pete Sell ending
wikipedia wrote:Mixed martial arts (commonly referred to as MMA) is a combat sport in which two competitors attempt to defeat each other by potentially utilizing a wide variety of fighting techniques, including striking and grappling. Well-known MMA organizations include the Ultimate Fighting Championship and PRIDE Fighting Championships.
MMA has also been referred to as no holds barred (NHB) fighting, however this term is no longer considered an accurate description of the modern sport, with its formalized rules and banned techniques that have been developed for the fighters' safety.
There's three big fights in tonight's UFC pay-per-view:
Quinton Jackson, aka Rampage, is making his UFC debut after having a stellar run at PRIDE. Tonight he'll be fighting Marvin Eastman, trying to avenge a loss from the beginning of his career. Rampage has come a very long way since those days, and it was a close fight, so I gotta give it to him. Eastman is still in good shape though, so it won't be easy.
Prediction: Rampage in the third round by ground and pound stoppage. Like this:
Also making the switch from PRIDE to UFC is Croation member of parliament, Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic. Cro Cop comes to the UFC as one of the most dominant fighters in the history of the sport. He'll be "fighting" heavyweight tomato-can Eddie Sanchez. And by "fighting" I mean, "kicking the living shit out of".
Prediction: Cro Cop by head kick, first round. Like this (notice how big his legs are):
The main event of the night was supposed to be a middleweight title fight between champion Anderson "Spider" Silvia and Ultimate Fighter reality show winner Travis Lutter. But Lutter couldn't make weight, so now the title isn't on the line.
Silvia has freakishly long arms and legs, and may be pound for pound the best striker in the sport. Lutter's a great, if orthodox, jiujitsu man. I predict Lutter trying to clinch for a takedown, only to eat too many knees.
Prediction: Spider by knees, first round.
Also, Scott Smith from the Ultimate Fighter reality show has a fight against some no-name. Smith's fight against Pete Sell had maybe the craziest ending I've ever seen in a fight.
In other MMA news, supposedly Randy Couture has come out of retirement to fight Heavyweight champion Tim Sylvia soon. Sylvia is one of the least interesting fighters ever. His last several fights have involved nothing but Sylvia pacing around defensively trying not to lose. Couture should whip him good, though I wanted to watch Cro Cop beat him down. Either way Couture vs. Cro Cop would be amazing.
Youtube Links:
Rampage and Eastman's first fight
Anderson Silvia highlight video (gets watchable at 2:00)
Cro Cop highlight video
Scott Smith vs. Pete Sell ending
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Also, yes, Lutter is going to get his ass handed to him... in a cup.
I wanna see a Rampage / Monson fight. Monson's a f***ing goon. Everytime I see him on screen, I remember Tim Roth from 'Reservoir Dogs':
"You remember the Fantasic Four?"
"Yeah, with the Invisible Bitch, and Flame On, and shit..."
"Yeah... The Thing. Motherfucker looks just like The Thing."
The Monson / Sylvia fight a few months back was pretty impressive. ANYONE who can go five full rounds against EITHER of those guys, and lose by a point, is really, really good. Same weight, TEN INCH height difference.
Dismayed By Humanity Since 1992.
Or I will kill you.
I 100% disagree. There's nothing impressive about going the distance when neither fighter is being agressive. I'll give credit to Monson for his early takedown attempts, but he really gave up after those didn't work. And Sylvia just paced around like normal, trying to once more squeak by on a descision.
He should have lost his belt for the way he handled that fight. It was embarrassing to see a champion fight like that.
That said, I'd like to see more of Monson, just for the fact that he does appear to have talent. Just as long as he fights someone who's agressive.
Okie dokie.
While we're posting kickboxing videos, here's my personal hero:
Kaoklai Kaennorsing (video gets good at about 0:45)
How about Sylvia vs Silvia? I'd pay to see that...
Dismayed By Humanity Since 1992.
We should also talk about training MMA in here. Anybody do anything interesting beyond the standard bjj/kickboxing combo? I've been thinking about taking Krav for a few months, but all of the places that you can train it around here fully scare me off. The whole class has to do pushups if someone is 1 minute late? No fucking thanks.
I'm sad to see Crocop make the switch. Pride won't be the same without him.
Monson was simply the more aggresive fighter. Tim didnt want to lose, Monson kept on getting his takedowns stuffed. Basically after Tim was able to stay standing the ball was in his court to press the action. If you cant finish a guy who isnt a striker when you have a foot of height and reach on the guy, its time to get some new tools in the ring.
A lot of people hate Tim, I do not. I think that if Tim fought his fights like he fought against Ricco back in the day, everyone would like him. He squaked out a boring decision and now he needs to seriously KO someone.
The Monson/Sylvia and Herring/O'Brien fights are great arguments for authorizing knees to the head of a downed opponent. Had knees been legal, both those fights would have ended in the first or second rounds.
I think it's a good move for now. It gives Mirko time to face new opponents and face new challengers before he tries to take the PRIDE heavyweight belt from the only man on Earth who can stand against him.
Fine by me, as long as it doesn't derail into a general martial arts debate.
I did BJJ and Judo for about six months a few years back, so I can't really comment much on serious training with any real authority. Training just two or three hours a week is hard work, I can't imagine what it takes to be in the gym all day every day.
Seriously, if money was not a worry (so this is completely fictional) I would definitely spend a large part of my time working out and training. Maybe not for UFC, but I fought competitively a few times in my 'younger days', usually just as a for-fun fight (I was more than double the size of the 'average' fighter there), and I have to say, I really enjoyed it, and I miss it. *tear* That's back when I was training six hours a week, since I didn't have a job. The people who break into the UFC are way more dedicated than me, since they probably also have day jobs, and families...
Dismayed By Humanity Since 1992.
It is amazing some of the jobs and education these guys give up to become fighters. Rich Franklin was an algebra teacher with a college degree, Jeff Monson had a degree of University of Illinois, Carmelo Mererro was/is a human resources director for a company in New York.
I wouldn't have the dedication to do any of that crap, including the day jobs.
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lol nub!
Force = Mass * Acceleration?
Bullets don't weigh shit. And I'm sure they wouldn't have any trouble with some of those guys.
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lol nub!
But how many cock pushups could he do, eh?
most of all, most of all
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Epic anti-funny maneuver, right?
Does anyone here watch any King of the Cage? I'm always interested to watch it, since Mac Danzig fights there. He's got his first Pride fight coming up at The Second Coming though, vs Hayato Sakurai. That's one tough way to enter Pride.
Edit: For those of you who don't know Mac Danzig, read his blog:
http://macdanzig.blogspot.com/
He's an awesome dude.
For those of you that didn't see the bout, he stalked Eddie Sanchez like he was the fucking Terminator.
God that was awesome.
Cro Cop vs. Sanchez
[spoiler:56222a4f01]Cro Cop beat the crap out of Sanchez from the mount, ref stoppage in the first round. He followed him around the ring like a cat toying with a mouse, only less playful. That guy means business.[/spoiler:56222a4f01]
My prediction was close.
Jackson vs. Eastman (lol black on black crime)
[spoiler:56222a4f01]Rampage beat Eastman in the second round, rocking him with uppercuts, until ending with a ref stoppage on the ground in the second round.[/spoiler:56222a4f01]
I called it! (barely)
Silva vs. Lutter (for some reason I kept calling him Silvia in the OP)
[spoiler:56222a4f01]Lutter gets some decent take downs and puts Silva on the defensive, until he gets caught in Silva's ridiculously long legs. Silva wins from a bad triangle, throwing elbows at the top of Lutters head until he chokes. Officially, it's Silva by triangle choke in the second round, even though he didn't have a choke sunk in at all. I thought Lutter was going to get a straight armbar from the mount, but it was a brilliant ploy by Silva to stand back up.[/spoiler:56222a4f01]
Not quite what I predicted...
Smith vs. Cote
I was wrong to say Smith was fighting a no-namer. I didn't realize he was fighting Cote.
[spoiler:56222a4f01]zzzzz... Cote by decision, boring fight. The one chance Cote had to really rock Smith, he hesitated, probably because of Smith's previous comeback over Pete Sell.[/spoiler:56222a4f01]
Best fight of the night:
The undercard bout between lightweights Frank Edwards and Tyson Griffin. Lightweights are so fun to watch. They're always agressive and take forever to knock out.
[spoiler:56222a4f01]Griffin slapped a nasty kneebar on Edwards (who was ahead in points) at the very end of the fight. Edwards held on to win for a decision, limping. Great fight.[/spoiler:56222a4f01]
Huerta vs. Halverson, Rivera vs. Martin:
[spoiler:56222a4f01]I blinked, what happened?[/spoiler:56222a4f01]
Overall, it was a satisfying night of fights, but not mind blowing like St. Pierre vs. Hughes. I'm looking forward to seeing Hughes, Couture, Franklin and Sylvia next month.
Also this month on PRIDE: Dan Henderson vs. Vanderlei Silva (my favorite fighter), Nick Diaz vs. Takanori Gomi, Shogun vs. Overeem, and your boy Danzig vs. Sakurai. Pretty swell card, I think.
Youtube link:
St. Pierre vs. Hughes (USA, USA!)
[spoiler:ee04c0e94d]Huerta hit Halverson with an illegal knee as Halverson was getting up from a takedown attempt. Huerta then mounted his back and hit Halverson with a solid rain of punches until the ref stopped the fight.
Since the main damage was done by an illegal knee, Halverson will probably dispute the call with the NSAC.[/spoiler:ee04c0e94d]
[spoiler:841e7931d8]The replay seemed to show the knee hitting the shoulder. But if thats true I don't know why halverson was just laying there seemingly knocked out[/spoiler:841e7931d8]
Even old Oleg Taktarov from the early days of UFC was a cool customer. I remember one time during a fight he tried to throw a nasty kick that resulted in dislocating his knee. Without missing a beat he snapped it back into place and finished the fight. His expression didn't change once the whole time.
Speaking of old-school, my one-time favorite fighter, Carlos Newton, has lost yet again, this time to Matt Lindland. That brings his record down to an embarassing 13-12. Oh how the mighty have fallen. He had such potential, too.
Eastern Europeans don't fuck around. Fedor looks like a lazy tiger whenever he's in the ring. Not necessarily chomping at the bit to tear you apart, but as soon as you misstep he's all over you. Not my favorite fighter to watch, but still really good. Crocop is by far and away the most entertaining of all those guys.
He hasn't been the same since he beat Matt Hughes.
And he did beat Matt Hughes in their first fight. I don't care what the ruling says.
I was so excited to watch Cro Cop in his UFC debut, and it really was like going to the store for him. He walks in, owns the octogon, and just obliterates the other guy without even thinking about it.
And I agree, In both leagues, I love watching the lightweight guys go at it. So much fun
I have never heard of that and the odds are stacked against that happening. A Jiu-jitsu practitioner won 3 out of the first 4 UFC events, but that is a different story altogether.
Now you HAVE to have a mixed background in order to compete. Hughes proved this when he rolled Gracie.
I don't really know enough about it to judge.
And is there a way to watch it without paying fourty-fucking-dollars for pay-per-view?
Dismayed By Humanity Since 1992.
What's the nature of the sport now? Can a strike-focused fighter beat a ground-based fighter?
See St. Pierre, a tiny French man, kick the crap out of anyone who tries to get close enough to grapple.
Dismayed By Humanity Since 1992.
Yes, wrestling stopped being dominant a few years ago. None of the current UFC champions are wrestlers, and all newcomers to the sport are either strikers with take down defence or purely mixed fighters.
edit: sorry, the lightwieght guy is a wrestler.