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New Gaming Rig (Purchase order a good assembly order?)

Drag00n2019Drag00n2019 Registered User regular
edited February 2011 in Help / Advice Forum
So I'll be buying this from NewEgg.com at a part at a time. I'm dead-set on these components and the price for them. Only difficulty would be putting it together since I usually just bought pre-assembled towers.

Tower/Case
Motherboard
CPU
Power Supply
RAM
HDD
GPU
Disc Drive
Operating System

Currently have a HP/Compaq dual core with okay graphics card, RAM and such. Finally going to be getting a brand new gaming tower.:cool:

Already selling the parts from my really old eMachines.

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    OnTheLastCastleOnTheLastCastle let's keep it haimish for the peripatetic Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I'm confused as to what you are asking... buy them all at the same time?

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    Drag00n2019Drag00n2019 Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I'm confused as to what you are asking... buy them all at the same time?

    Nah buy them individually and put it together as I go. Pertaining more to getting it in list order and assembling it piece by piece. Then finally the Operating System will be the piece de resistance.;-)
    First case and then motherboard. Of course attach motherboard to case securely. Then CPU and putting it on motherboard. Power supply so then I can connect everything for the next parts. Then attach/plug-in as I go for the rest of it.
    Actually one of my goals for this year.
    Should I list the specifications for my current HP/Compaq tower? The new one is gonna be a fresh install with everything. Of course for current computer will be needing to back up game mods/saves/etc.

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    admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    But... why?

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    Drag00n2019Drag00n2019 Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    admanb wrote: »
    But... why?

    Can't afford all at once so going to be buying one part at a time as I go. Going to be my own project.:)

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    FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    You're going to want to put the power supply in your case first. It might be difficult to get it in there with the motherboard installed.

    Edit: And that RAM is designed specifically for use with Intel boards. Grab something else.

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    OnTheLastCastleOnTheLastCastle let's keep it haimish for the peripatetic Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Well, Linux is free, duder.

    Also, the computer will not work without all of those parts except the optical drive so... uh... nevermind, have fun.

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    admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    admanb wrote: »
    But... why?

    Can't afford all at once so going to be buying one part at a time as I go. Going to be my own project.:)

    I realize this is probably not the advice you were looking for, but there are a variety of reasons you should go with a more standard purchasing strategy:

    (1) Shipping. Newegg charges it. You're throwing away upwards of $40 here.
    (2) Extra chance of damage. Buy it all at once and you'll assemble it and be going. Buy it a bit at a time and you'll have bits lying around for months.
    (3) Lack of savings. In the event of a financial emergency, you'll have $X less to get yourself through it. This could result in a variety of inconveniences -- credit card debt, lack of transportation, getting dumped by your girlfriend, not getting a girlfriend, etc.

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    OnTheLastCastleOnTheLastCastle let's keep it haimish for the peripatetic Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Also the fact that you had the wrong kind of RAM is a warning sign. I didn't look at your parts, but are you sure you know what you're doing? I say that not as a dick, but as a guy who wants you to not see your investment spark, smoke and never turn on again.

    CyberPowerPC builds and sells very competitively priced and well built rigs. iBuyPower is also pretty good, I think. I have computers from each and my roommate recently bought a newer CyberPowerPC. Very solid gaming comp for $650-ish.

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    Kate of LokysKate of Lokys Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I'll tack a fourth reason onto the three good ones admanb provided: buying parts one or two at a time is a ticket for a one-way ride on the obsolescence train to the sad, lonely village of Last Year's Tech.

    If you buy, say, one new part for your rig every month, your motherboard is going to be six months old by the time you get a graphics card to drop into it. Six months is long enough that you could end up stuck on the wrong end of a technology curve - just imagine how it would have felt to buy a high-end AGP-slotted motherboard a month before PCI-E boards went live. And even if you're lucky enough to avoid getting teched-up on, you're forgetting the basic truth of hardware: if something is top-of-the-line now, it will be almost as good but only half as expensive in six months.

    Saving money sucks, and I can see how it would be tempting to buy a piece here and there over time. But seriously, you'll get 30-50% more bang for your buck if you save for a few months, then buy everything all at once.

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    BartholamueBartholamue Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    If you must buy a component, ANY component, buy the power supply and the case first. More than likely they will be okay for the other parts in a few months. Heck, they still sell the case I bought two and a half years ago.

    Kate is right, and unless you're dead set on buying components right now, I would wait until you have saved up enough money to buy everything before you partake in buying a computer.

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    FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Well, if you look at his hardware choices, it's all old tech by now anyway. I don't think he has the budget to buy anything else. Still, waiting until you can buy it all at once is a much better choice because of what Kate said.

    By the time you've purchase the last part, the first part you bought will be half the price. Why buy parts before you can use em if they'll be cheaper by the time you can?

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    OnTheLastCastleOnTheLastCastle let's keep it haimish for the peripatetic Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    My computer was $1,050 when I bought it. My roommate got a similar computer for $400 less 2 years later. So, yeah, it moves fast.

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    bustin98bustin98 Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    So, triple channel memory on a dual channel board? I see the draw of purchasing 6GB at nearly the same cost of 4GB, but you have to stick to the constraints of the mobo.

    Why are you getting a 650w power supply? Seems like overkill unless you're powering some external devices via USB.

    Your choice of video card is PCIE 2.1 and the mobo supports 2.0. Not sure if the card will downgrade, but you should look into it.

    The mobo supports 6Gb/s transfer speed over SATA, but the drive is 3Gb/s. You would see better performance on a smaller drive with faster transfer speeds. Though Western Digital has a 1TB for $20 more than the one you picked.

    You could really cut costs and still have a decent gaming rig.

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    GdiguyGdiguy San Diego, CARegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Also, I'll bring up a much more pragmatic reason to absolutely not do this: returns/RMAs. Namely, that returning stuff to Newegg will be MUCH easier and faster than RMAs to the manufacturer

    If you get a dead RAM chip (which is decidedly not rare), or your motherboard is DOA, you absolutely don't want to find this out 6 months later when you finally build the computer. Not only are some of the warranties shorter than others, most of the time you have something like 15-30 days to return it to the store you bought it from; after that you have to deal with the manufacturers. Which is much less likely to be free shipping back & forth, more likely to take weeks, etc etc.

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    Drag00n2019Drag00n2019 Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I just want to be able to play games such as Wolfenstein; ALIENS versus PREDATOR (2010); PORTAL 2; CIV V; Shogun 2 Total War and some others on very high settings without worrying about framerate drop. The budget I already set out is good for me and I don't really need extremely top of the line parts to get my shit done. Just something which'll be far superior to my own computer.
    Hell, I want to be able to play GTA IV with ENB mod on high settings without framerate drops.
    Yes I do want Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit.
    Yes my current computer I got for $300 when Circuit City was going out of business. I figure it's about time for something fucking new and refreshing for a change.
    EDIT: Would it help if I listed the current specs of the tower I'm using?

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    brain operatorbrain operator Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I just want to be able to play games such as Wolfenstein; ALIENS versus PREDATOR (2010); PORTAL 2; CIV V; Shogun 2 Total War and some others on very high settings without worrying about framerate drop. The budget I already set out is good for me and I don't really need extremely top of the line parts to get my shit done. Just something which'll be far superior to my own computer.
    Hell, I want to be able to play GTA IV with ENB mod on high settings without framerate drops.
    Yes I do want Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit.
    Yes my current computer I got for $300 when Circuit City was going out of business. I figure it's about time for something fucking new and refreshing for a change.
    None of which explains why you're shelling out for a 100$+ Bluray burner instead of a far cheaper regular DVD station. Do you plan on watching Blurays on your PC? If not, consider something else. Getting to splash another $100 on your graphics card or processor could make a significant difference.
    EDIT: Would it help if I listed the current specs of the tower I'm using?
    Probably not - I expect you won't even be able to reuse the case.

    No offense, but you don't strike me as particularly knowledgeable on this subject. There's no shame in that, God knows I'm no expert either. It is however a good reason to listen to advice.

    First, try and find out which retailers are good. I don't know NewEgg - they could be excellent, but you really want to make sure somehow. Do you know anyone who's more into hardware who may have more experience with online retailers? At the very least, compare the prices and the choice of components on offer.

    Second, take a look at suggested builds by that retailer. You don't have to pick one, but it should give you a good place to start.

    Third, if you have any questions you can and should ask them. Any decent retailer will be more than willing to help you out in selecting the best product for your needs.

    Fourth, take the advice above. Save up and buy everything in one go. I don't see how it would make any difference in when you'll get to use the new rig, but it will make a big difference in price, quality and service.

    EDIT: I notice the power supply is bottom-mounted in your case. That's not bad in itself, mine is too, but it does mean more distance between the power supply and the power connectors on the individual parts. Since you want your cables out of the way so as not to impede airflow, make sure the power cables that come with the supply are long enough. They'll be long enough to connect everything, no worries there, but you'll want to make installing everything properly as easy as you can - and that means getting to position your cables where you want them. I learned that the hard way, so save yourself the hassle.

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    DeathwingDeathwing Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    First, try and find out which retailers are good. I don't know NewEgg - they could be excellent, but you really want to make sure somehow. Do you know anyone who's more into hardware who may have more experience with online retailers? At the very least, compare the prices and the choice of components on offer.

    Newegg is great, and pretty highly regarded - personally i've probably spent a few thousand $ at least there by now, and bought everything from PC parts to a rice cooker with no problems.

    Not much else to add that hasn't been said already - the previous posters know what they're talking about, OP.

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    Iceman.USAFIceman.USAF Major East CoastRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    There's also a meta-thread for this over in the technology forum.

    http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=118369

    While the OP is out of date occasionally, there are some extremely knowledgable people in that thread. Not including myself. I am only knowledgable enough to spend my own money, not other peoples.

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    brain operatorbrain operator Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    This may be unnecessary, but since you don't have a keyboard on your list I assume you'll keep using one you already have. If that's the case, which kind of connector does it use? I'm just asking because my really old previous keyboard does not use USB and as such doesn't fit any current rigs.

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    oldsakoldsak Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    As others have said, you're better off saving your money and buying all parts at once so you can make sure everything actually works. I think Newegg's return policy is something like 30 days.

    I don't know if you have an Amazon prime account, but if you don't you might check if they're offering a 1 month free trial. I built a rig recently and free shipping for a case and psu is nothing to scoff at.

    Get different memory. Ram manufacturers will have a motherboard compatibility list if you're unsure of what to get.

    If you're going Windows 7, you might want to go Professional. My understanding is that Home doesn't offer the same kind of backwards compatibility with Windows xp, so playing any older games might be a problem.

    Building a PC now is much cleaner and easier than it used to be, but you still have to make sure you're getting the right parts.

    If you're determined to go this route, you might consider getting a bare-bones kit and adding pieces to it. It's a little easier as the essential parts have already been tested to work together by someone who knows what he's doing.

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    RaernRaern Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I rebuilt an AMD system running Windows 7 in November, I can clear up a couple of issues.

    -Your old PS/2 keyboard should be fine on a desktop. My Asus branded motherboard still has a PS/2 socket. The motherboard in the first post visibly has PS/2 sockets as well.

    -Windows 7 Home Premium is all you need, the XP emulator in Professional provides no Direct-X support, it's not intended as an emulator for games, just to allow businesses to run their old software.

    -AMD systems run RAM in Dual-Channel as some people commented on above. You need to install either two or four RAM modules for maximum performance. Usually that means 4GB or 8GB total RAM. I'm running Kingston HyperX in my system and it works fine. I haven't compared all the prices to know if this brand is the best deal, but you're looking for something like this: HyperX

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    Drag00n2019Drag00n2019 Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I'm going for the Blu-ray disc BURNER so I can burn out HDTV broadcasts of older films not on Blu-ray yet and transfer my HD DVD's to Blu-ray. Yes I have the HD DVD add-on drive for 360. I also have a stand-alone Blu-ray disc player. Yes I enjoy films even as far back as the 1920's and 1910's. Yes I also have a spare DL DVD burner. What the fuck is the problem with buying a Blu-ray disc burner especially if my other hobby is film and I know where to get the media for fucking cheap?
    Yes my keyboard and mouse are USB. I also fucking know about Windows Virtual Operating System. I know how to use the fucking Control Panel to best settings.
    Here're updates.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130572
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371016
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145259 <-So I can only buy two sticks instead of three?
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533

    There we go. I expect more of a shitstorm.

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    FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    My apologies, Drag00n.

    Your hardware choices are perfect, and they'll be compatible without issue. You're also not wasting your money by buying things one at a time here and there. That's a great strategy, especially if you're on a budget! Your first component won't be a third of the price by the time you buy your last component, when you'll finally be able to use any of it.

    Is that more along the lines of what you wanted to hear? Go waste your fucking money, bud. I hope you learn something out of it, at least.

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    ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    he could just put the price he'd spend on the item now, to the side, and buy everything together, at the cheaper prices as a whole, or get better components at the same price.

    This piecemeal stuff really is not the way to do it, especially since your RMA window will be up for most things by the time you get your last components and find out of everything works or not.

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    OnTheLastCastleOnTheLastCastle let's keep it haimish for the peripatetic Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I'm not going to help you when you're angry. You should calm down. People have pointed out numerous flaws where if you bought what you linked in the OP you would've had non-functioning or damaged parts.

    A thank you instead of swearing would help.

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    FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Buttcleft, that's what we've been telling him to do. He doesn't want to hear advice, though.

    Drag00n, as someone who has built PCs for over a decade, I can tell you right now that you do not have the knowledge (or the apparent patience to learn that knowledge) for this task. For starters, you just linked another triple channel RAM kit for your dual channel supported motherboard.

    Save up your money. Take all that money and find a place that will let you choose your parts and will assemble it for you. Spending that extra $50-$100 will be worth it in your case, since you don't know enough to do this. You're going to waste all your money, all your time, and you're going to be further frustrated and still playing games on your eMachine.

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    DeathwingDeathwing Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    You posted a thread asking for advice, people are giving you advice. The questions you are asking are not ones that would be asked by someone who is extremely knowledgeable about system-building - there isn't shame in this, but as you might gather from Figgy's reply, your attitude isn't going to help things. You're in the wrong place if you just wanted to post a list of parts and have people gush over it.

    As mentioned right before I posted this, I will point out at least that you can't just stick two sticks from a triple-channel RAM set in a board that only supports dual-channel, at least not if you want it to work properly/at all.

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    ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited February 2011
    Dear OP,

    Before you get all bent out of shape because people aren't answering your fucking question, please check again and make sure your OP HAS a fucking question. Yours does not, you see.

    <3
    ceres

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