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L Ron HowardThe duckMinnesotaRegistered Userregular
edited February 2011
I'd say the data is horribly flawed. It's only accurate as a raw number of wins or losses. There's no context, is what I'm getting at.
Let's say Horde dominates all of AV, except at 80 (pre Cata). But for 50-79 Alliance completely dominates that. And let's consider if you have an Alliance character that leveled up exclusively though battlegrounds. And let's say this was when the exp per bg was AWESOME. Now you might very well have an Alliance character that has 50 AV wins per 2 or 3 losses.
Anecdotally, I've read things that have stated these conditions on forums, either here or the official ones. If Alliance generally wins AV from 50-79, and people only log on their alt on the holiday weekends, and don't PvP with their main much, it's so stupidly easy to skew these statistics.
Not to mention that the way they were presented visually is not in good faith in the first place. It is clear the intent was to present the data with a bias.
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Yeah, but that's like showing a graph of wins/losses over the last year of the WNBA.
Valid or not, who really cares?
Because a 10% gap in win rates is huge? Obviously we don't know how many characters he scanned for the statistics which is a key point, but if the data is accurate I can't think of many reasons for the data to be skewed. The only three reasons that I can think of currently are that the horde is better geared, the horde is better at pvp in general, or that the horde racials are better for pvp. My second point kind of leads to the first since better pvp equals better gear and has been a common opinion since vanilla, but after playing on both sides I don't really see a difference and with the number of people playing the game I'd think the quality would be pretty even. Racials obviously play a role in pvp and horde has generally had the better pvp racials with a stun, and a silence, but I wouldn't think they would cause this much of a gap.
I for one, think it is a lot closer to the truth than a couple of you believe.
what "truth"
I have no doubt that it's relatively easy to write a script that crawls the armory and compiles win/loss percentages, but even if the numbers are dead accurate, they still don't tell us anything
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Warlock82Never pet a burning dogRegistered Userregular
Yeah, but that's like showing a graph of wins/losses over the last year of the WNBA.
Valid or not, who really cares?
Because a 10% gap in win rates is huge? Obviously we don't know how many characters he scanned for the statistics which is a key point, but if the data is accurate I can't think of many reasons for the data to be skewed. The only three reasons that I can think of currently are that the horde is better geared, the horde is better at pvp in general, or that the horde racials are better for pvp. My second point kind of leads to the first since better pvp equals better gear and has been a common opinion since vanilla, but after playing on both sides I don't really see a difference and with the number of people playing the game I'd think the quality would be pretty even. Racials obviously play a role in pvp and horde has generally had the better pvp racials with a stun, and a silence, but I wouldn't think they would cause this much of a gap.
I would say Horde racials are definitely skewed in favor of PvP, but overall the impact they have shouldn't be that big. That being said, fuck Tauren in WSG and their god damn warstomp.
I for one, think it is a lot closer to the truth than a couple of you believe.
what "truth"
I have no doubt that it's relatively easy to write a script that crawls the armory and compiles win/loss percentages, but even if the numbers are dead accurate, they still don't tell us anything
I don't believe it for one second, but the "truth" is that Horde is "better" at PvP than alliance.
What the chart is going to be used for is to say, "LOOK!! Only when the battleground is unbalanced does the Alliance have a chance in PVP!"
Which is the biggest fucking piece of shit lie ever, but it's certainly represented in that graph.
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L Ron HowardThe duckMinnesotaRegistered Userregular
edited February 2011
Well, I for one am canceling my subscription due to the incoming WotF nerfs! And I won't be afraid to tell them so!!
(I still cannot believe that that's still a reason to cancel your account.)
2) Quest objectives are still spread out all over and hidden behind a bunch of unnecessary trash. A clear means not only a ton of killing things but a decent amount of backtracking.
I'll tell you what's dumb in LFD at low levels, and that's Wailing Caverns. They completely redo Sunken Temple and split BRD into two instances because it's so long, but that monstrosity goes unchecked?
Also, Mutanus being the satchel boss is stupid. At least that dude runs instead of walks now, but still.
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Warlock82Never pet a burning dogRegistered Userregular
2) Quest objectives are still spread out all over and hidden behind a bunch of unnecessary trash. A clear means not only a ton of killing things but a decent amount of backtracking.
I'll tell you what's dumb in LFD at low levels, and that's Wailing Caverns. They completely redo Sunken Temple and split BRD into two instances because it's so long, but that monstrosity goes unchecked?
Also, Mutanus being the satchel boss is stupid. At least that dude runs instead of walks now, but still.
They specifically said at Blizzcon they are going to fix Wailing Caverns at some point. Probably 4.1.
maybe it's just because I'm horde@ heart, but either they really did fix WC already, or I'm just good at going through it. Because it seems like it's just a straight line if you follow the map
Yeah, but that's like showing a graph of wins/losses over the last year of the WNBA.
Valid or not, who really cares?
Because a 10% gap in win rates is huge? Obviously we don't know how many characters he scanned for the statistics which is a key point, but if the data is accurate I can't think of many reasons for the data to be skewed. The only three reasons that I can think of currently are that the horde is better geared, the horde is better at pvp in general, or that the horde racials are better for pvp. My second point kind of leads to the first since better pvp equals better gear and has been a common opinion since vanilla, but after playing on both sides I don't really see a difference and with the number of people playing the game I'd think the quality would be pretty even. Racials obviously play a role in pvp and horde has generally had the better pvp racials with a stun, and a silence, but I wouldn't think they would cause this much of a gap.
I would say Horde racials are definitely skewed in favor of PvP, but overall the impact they have shouldn't be that big. That being said, fuck Tauren in WSG and their god damn warstomp.
I dunno, my war stomp never seems to do anything when I'm getting raped at a distance by a frost mage and a shadow priest.
Somebody posted an interesting idea bout that site on the official forum. You have to wonder how big the gaps between specs really are, considering the existence of a potential "Elitist Jerks" effect for lack of a better term.
That is,
1. Elitist Jerks post "theorycraft" and "math" that suggest that one spec is superior to another
2. The best players read the thread, assume EJ knows what they're talking about, all gear and play that spec
3. People who "don't care about progression" play what they want to play, but aren't necessarily as good as the players who are the most hardcore of min/maxers.
4. Because of the skill discrepancy, a 2-5% dps difference at the formula level becomes a 10-15% difference in practice.
Wonder how much of that is going on in some of those parses.
Well, I for one am canceling my subscription due to the incoming WotF nerfs! And I won't be afraid to tell them so!!
(I still cannot believe that that's still a reason to cancel your account.)
Silly as that may be, undead are very 'meh' now with racials... we have longer breathing underwater! (even though blizzard buffed everyones underwater breathing so this isn't anything special anymore)
Cannibalize is 'nice' but whats the point, really? i can just eat the easily brought/gathered/fished/cooked food for a much larger health gain
and wotf, truthfully needed a nerf (i loved as an undead rogue the 20s immunity to almost everything as much as the next guy...) there are some things it doesn't break and its usefulness outside pvp (and even to an extent in pvp) is kind of limited...
And shadow res? what? not sure why blizzard has a hard-on for this (considering 4? or so of the races have them).
Yes, i'm sure other races also have 'meh' racials but i play undead so :dealwithit:
/whine
Also ran into my first fail group in random (non-heroic) grim batol last night... tank didn't know the fights and didn't ask about them heals was lacking...
On the first boss no one moved out of his 'blitz' ability and in the end the tank died and i evasion/Combat Readiness tanked the boss from %5 to dead...
Then on the second boss, when he went shield they all stood in front of him, i had to tell them he only takes damage from behind and then in the mace phase i had to explain to the tank to kite him... :argh: after that we got him down okay and then promptly all but me died on the first gronn pull (i was able to tank the gronn from 4% to dead) then we wiped on the second gronn pull...
Happy ending was the entire group dropped and we picked up an awesome tank/healer and two other awesome dps.
Has anybody had issues with really nasty mouse lag inside WoW? It's a new PC, tried two different wireless mice and one wired and they all do it. Mouse works just fine outside the game, but once WoW is the focus the mouse is occasionally herky-jerky and/or freezes. Tried all the normal stuff (in-game options, updating drivers, switching the mouse/dongle from the back of the box to the front, etc) and nothing seems to fix it for any significant length of time.
Has anybody had issues with really nasty mouse lag inside WoW? It's a new PC, tried two different wireless mice and one wired and they all do it. Mouse works just fine outside the game, but once WoW is the focus the mouse is occasionally herky-jerky and/or freezes. Tried all the normal stuff (in-game options, updating drivers, switching the mouse/dongle from the back of the box to the front, etc) and nothing seems to fix it for any significant length of time.
A level 80 dropped that on my level 20 once. I was bewildered. Like he thought I was going to put up a fight or something? Probably that same guy that heads into goldshire at 30 to duel people to feel good about themselves.
Somebody posted an interesting idea bout that site on the official forum. You have to wonder how big the gaps between specs really are, considering the existence of a potential "Elitist Jerks" effect for lack of a better term.
That is,
1. Elitist Jerks post "theorycraft" and "math" that suggest that one spec is superior to another
2. The best players read the thread, assume EJ knows what they're talking about, all gear and play that spec 3. People who "don't care about progression" play what they want to play, but aren't necessarily as good as the players who are the most hardcore of min/maxers.
4. Because of the skill discrepancy, a 2-5% dps difference at the formula level becomes a 10-15% difference in practice.
Wonder how much of that is going on in some of those parses.
These people are not the people who show up on stateofdps. The people who show up on there are the ones who've done their own math to quintuple-check what Elitist Jerks calculated :P Every spec has enough hardcore folks spread across the hundreds of guilds clearing raid content right now that there is ample competition to provide someone performing at or near the spec's potential. Maybe not sub rogues, but still, someone probably gives those 'down' specs a legit shot when they're bored to see what they can pull off.
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Warlock82Never pet a burning dogRegistered Userregular
edited February 2011
So apparently there is no longer a boat from Darnassus to Darkshore. And while they will give you the FP for free, they will ONLY do this if you take a flightpoint from on top of the tree, not the one on ground level like you'd expect. I ran around for like 30 minutes before I figured this out, and then sat through like a freaking 5 minute descent down the fucking tree afterwards -_-
I still can't tell if there is *supposed* to be a boat to Lor'danel or not. There is a boat that just sits there, with no npcs. It's possible that's bugged. But then I don't particularly see a dock in Lor'danel for it to land
When I got to LD on my baby worgen, he already had the FP to darkshore.
And why would you ever take a flight from Darnassus unless you had to poop or something? Just use the purple tree thingy to get to LD and take a FP from there.
Started Sunday night. 2 hours in I went from Neutral to Honored. Monday night, couple hours with a buddy to go from honored to 15% into Revered. Last night. Added another buddy and went from Revered to Exalted in about 3 hours.
Result? Got My Skyguard Netherray! Awww yeah.
That has to be the easiest Rep grind to do these days.
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Incorrect. The king of now-easy-to-grind-but-was-once-the-biggest-pain-in-the-ass belongs to thorium brotherhood.
neutral to revered in 15 quests if you want to do it that way.
I didn't realize that though, and just bought 20 lava cores for like 200g. and turned those in on my vanilla-old main. it took me longer to figure out how to get to the bar in BRD than it did to go from friendly to exalted.
Incorrect. The king of now-easy-to-grind-but-was-once-the-biggest-pain-in-the-ass belongs to thorium brotherhood.
neutral to revered in 15 quests if you want to do it that way.
I didn't realize that though, and just bought 20 lava cores for like 200g. and turned those in on my vanilla-old main. it took me longer to figure out how to get to the bar in BRD than it did to go from friendly to exalted.
Hmm good to know. What is the reward for grind that rep? Or is it just another Exalted notch in the belt?
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I don't know how long it took me to grind for the Cenarian Hippogryph, but man do I feel cool using it.
Especially in huge guild flights where everyone is on a giant dragonthing, and I'm just zipping around on this bird.
This is the reason I went for the Nether Ray. Sooo many dragons these days it's nice to be a special snowflake
Same reason I got a Swift White Ram on my Draenai Mage back in the day. Those big charges in Alterac valley? Yeah I'm the one with the goat on goat action.
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Incorrect. The king of now-easy-to-grind-but-was-once-the-biggest-pain-in-the-ass belongs to thorium brotherhood.
neutral to revered in 15 quests if you want to do it that way.
I didn't realize that though, and just bought 20 lava cores for like 200g. and turned those in on my vanilla-old main. it took me longer to figure out how to get to the bar in BRD than it did to go from friendly to exalted.
Hmm good to know. What is the reward for grind that rep? Or is it just another Exalted notch in the belt?
Incorrect. The king of now-easy-to-grind-but-was-once-the-biggest-pain-in-the-ass belongs to thorium brotherhood.
neutral to revered in 15 quests if you want to do it that way.
I didn't realize that though, and just bought 20 lava cores for like 200g. and turned those in on my vanilla-old main. it took me longer to figure out how to get to the bar in BRD than it did to go from friendly to exalted.
Hmm good to know. What is the reward for grind that rep? Or is it just another Exalted notch in the belt?
pretty much just another notch, however there are 3 vanilla enchants (particularly +22 int to weap) that sell well because they can be used on BOA.
Hmm I may have to do that. I'm not big into grinding up exalted rep at all, but I really wanted that Skyguard ray ever since it was released. I just never found the time to do the dailies and with Wrath released I was busy raiding.
Now with Cata and my hunter needing something other than the Bronze Drake it seemed like the best time to get it done.
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Let's say Horde dominates all of AV, except at 80 (pre Cata). But for 50-79 Alliance completely dominates that. And let's consider if you have an Alliance character that leveled up exclusively though battlegrounds. And let's say this was when the exp per bg was AWESOME. Now you might very well have an Alliance character that has 50 AV wins per 2 or 3 losses.
Anecdotally, I've read things that have stated these conditions on forums, either here or the official ones. If Alliance generally wins AV from 50-79, and people only log on their alt on the holiday weekends, and don't PvP with their main much, it's so stupidly easy to skew these statistics.
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Because a 10% gap in win rates is huge? Obviously we don't know how many characters he scanned for the statistics which is a key point, but if the data is accurate I can't think of many reasons for the data to be skewed. The only three reasons that I can think of currently are that the horde is better geared, the horde is better at pvp in general, or that the horde racials are better for pvp. My second point kind of leads to the first since better pvp equals better gear and has been a common opinion since vanilla, but after playing on both sides I don't really see a difference and with the number of people playing the game I'd think the quality would be pretty even. Racials obviously play a role in pvp and horde has generally had the better pvp racials with a stun, and a silence, but I wouldn't think they would cause this much of a gap.
what "truth"
I have no doubt that it's relatively easy to write a script that crawls the armory and compiles win/loss percentages, but even if the numbers are dead accurate, they still don't tell us anything
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
I would say Horde racials are definitely skewed in favor of PvP, but overall the impact they have shouldn't be that big. That being said, fuck Tauren in WSG and their god damn warstomp.
I don't believe it for one second, but the "truth" is that Horde is "better" at PvP than alliance.
What the chart is going to be used for is to say, "LOOK!! Only when the battleground is unbalanced does the Alliance have a chance in PVP!"
Which is the biggest fucking piece of shit lie ever, but it's certainly represented in that graph.
(I still cannot believe that that's still a reason to cancel your account.)
I'll tell you what's dumb in LFD at low levels, and that's Wailing Caverns. They completely redo Sunken Temple and split BRD into two instances because it's so long, but that monstrosity goes unchecked?
Also, Mutanus being the satchel boss is stupid. At least that dude runs instead of walks now, but still.
They specifically said at Blizzcon they are going to fix Wailing Caverns at some point. Probably 4.1.
I made him a blood elf. It seemed appropriate.
Yeaaaah.
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Somebody posted an interesting idea bout that site on the official forum. You have to wonder how big the gaps between specs really are, considering the existence of a potential "Elitist Jerks" effect for lack of a better term.
That is,
1. Elitist Jerks post "theorycraft" and "math" that suggest that one spec is superior to another
2. The best players read the thread, assume EJ knows what they're talking about, all gear and play that spec
3. People who "don't care about progression" play what they want to play, but aren't necessarily as good as the players who are the most hardcore of min/maxers.
4. Because of the skill discrepancy, a 2-5% dps difference at the formula level becomes a 10-15% difference in practice.
Wonder how much of that is going on in some of those parses.
Silly as that may be, undead are very 'meh' now with racials... we have longer breathing underwater! (even though blizzard buffed everyones underwater breathing so this isn't anything special anymore)
Cannibalize is 'nice' but whats the point, really? i can just eat the easily brought/gathered/fished/cooked food for a much larger health gain
and wotf, truthfully needed a nerf (i loved as an undead rogue the 20s immunity to almost everything as much as the next guy...) there are some things it doesn't break and its usefulness outside pvp (and even to an extent in pvp) is kind of limited...
And shadow res? what? not sure why blizzard has a hard-on for this (considering 4? or so of the races have them).
Yes, i'm sure other races also have 'meh' racials but i play undead so :dealwithit:
/whine
Also ran into my first fail group in random (non-heroic) grim batol last night... tank didn't know the fights and didn't ask about them heals was lacking...
On the first boss no one moved out of his 'blitz' ability and in the end the tank died and i evasion/Combat Readiness tanked the boss from %5 to dead...
Then on the second boss, when he went shield they all stood in front of him, i had to tell them he only takes damage from behind and then in the mace phase i had to explain to the tank to kite him... :argh: after that we got him down okay and then promptly all but me died on the first gronn pull (i was able to tank the gronn from 4% to dead) then we wiped on the second gronn pull...
Happy ending was the entire group dropped and we picked up an awesome tank/healer and two other awesome dps.
The point is telling that guy who won't run back after a wipe that he really needs to get his cow ass moving.
Any ideas?
Maybe it's the software mouse.
I also like seeing it used in PVP as an alternative to planting a flag/standard on the corpse :P
It seems like it'd be a skill I use ENDLESSLY in game, if I played Horde. Just eatin' dudes, all the time.
That flag is the best pvp item ever. It will never leave my bag, if only it were bound-to-account for alts.
Which flag?
this one?
These people are not the people who show up on stateofdps. The people who show up on there are the ones who've done their own math to quintuple-check what Elitist Jerks calculated :P Every spec has enough hardcore folks spread across the hundreds of guilds clearing raid content right now that there is ample competition to provide someone performing at or near the spec's potential. Maybe not sub rogues, but still, someone probably gives those 'down' specs a legit shot when they're bored to see what they can pull off.
I still can't tell if there is *supposed* to be a boat to Lor'danel or not. There is a boat that just sits there, with no npcs. It's possible that's bugged. But then I don't particularly see a dock in Lor'danel for it to land
And why would you ever take a flight from Darnassus unless you had to poop or something? Just use the purple tree thingy to get to LD and take a FP from there.
Result? Got My Skyguard Netherray! Awww yeah.
That has to be the easiest Rep grind to do these days.
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neutral to revered in 15 quests if you want to do it that way.
I didn't realize that though, and just bought 20 lava cores for like 200g. and turned those in on my vanilla-old main. it took me longer to figure out how to get to the bar in BRD than it did to go from friendly to exalted.
Hmm good to know. What is the reward for grind that rep? Or is it just another Exalted notch in the belt?
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Especially in huge guild flights where everyone is on a giant dragonthing, and I'm just zipping around on this bird.
This is the reason I went for the Nether Ray. Sooo many dragons these days it's nice to be a special snowflake
Same reason I got a Swift White Ram on my Draenai Mage back in the day. Those big charges in Alterac valley? Yeah I'm the one with the goat on goat action.
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pretty much just another notch, however there are 3 vanilla enchants (particularly +22 int to weap) that sell well because they can be used on BOA.
Hmm I may have to do that. I'm not big into grinding up exalted rep at all, but I really wanted that Skyguard ray ever since it was released. I just never found the time to do the dailies and with Wrath released I was busy raiding.
Now with Cata and my hunter needing something other than the Bronze Drake it seemed like the best time to get it done.
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