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The D&D Film Thread: The Filmening
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AstaerethIn the belly of the beastRegistered Userregular
edited March 2011
Guy Pearce showed up in The King's Speech (which was bland-flavored pudding) and I was like "Hey it's Guy Pearce!" and enjoyed his scenes all the more. He built endless goodwill on the sole basis of LA Confidential and Memento.
For the studios, a good new idea has become just too scary a road to travel. Inception, they will tell you, is an exceptional movie. And movies that need to be exceptional to succeed are bad business. "The scab you're picking at is called execution," says legendary producer Scott Rudin (The Social Network, True Grit). "Studios are hardwired not to bet on execution, and the terrible thing is, they're right. Because in terms of execution, most movies disappoint."
With that in mind, let's look ahead to what's on the menu for this year: four adaptations of comic books. One prequel to an adaptation of a comic book. One sequel to a sequel to a movie based on a toy. One sequel to a sequel to a sequel to a movie based on an amusement-park ride. One prequel to a remake. Two sequels to cartoons. One sequel to a comedy. An adaptation of a children's book. An adaptation of a Saturday-morning cartoon. One sequel with a 4 in the title. Two sequels with a 5 in the title. One sequel that, if it were inclined to use numbers, would have to have a 7 1/2 in the title.
Side note: Threads like this give me pause to reflect how very, very lucky we are. In the whole human history of the earth there has never been a civilisation with the minutest fraction of our cultural richness. Any poor fellow with access to a free library with internet access can have knowledge, art, science, the rest of it on a scale which even a century ago would have been - in the most literal sense of the word - inconceivable.
It's worth thinking about for a moment. Not only can we enjoy basically every work created in the last 500 years or so, plus a fair fraction of everything that has gone before, but the rate of production has increased almost asymptotically. Yes of course the massive majority of that production is worthless and ephemeral - Sturgeon's Law applies - but even by the narrowest definition of worthwhile art, history and science, we're getting immensely richer faster and faster.
Oh yes and:
I bought a copy of this for my dad this year. At the grand old age of 68, he had never seen it. He loves a good film as much as the next man, it's just that he'd never happened to watch this. It says something of the superabundance of our culture that he could quite reasonably have never got around to experiencing such an incredible classic work.
Guy Pearce showed up in The King's Speech (which was bland-flavored pudding) and I was like "Hey it's Guy Pearce!" and enjoyed his scenes all the more. He built endless goodwill on the sole basis of LA Confidential and Memento.
For the studios, a good new idea has become just too scary a road to travel. Inception, they will tell you, is an exceptional movie. And movies that need to be exceptional to succeed are bad business. "The scab you're picking at is called execution," says legendary producer Scott Rudin (The Social Network, True Grit). "Studios are hardwired not to bet on execution, and the terrible thing is, they're right. Because in terms of execution, most movies disappoint."
With that in mind, let's look ahead to what's on the menu for this year: four adaptations of comic books. One prequel to an adaptation of a comic book. One sequel to a sequel to a movie based on a toy. One sequel to a sequel to a sequel to a movie based on an amusement-park ride. One prequel to a remake. Two sequels to cartoons. One sequel to a comedy. An adaptation of a children's book. An adaptation of a Saturday-morning cartoon. One sequel with a 4 in the title. Two sequels with a 5 in the title. One sequel that, if it were inclined to use numbers, would have to have a 7 1/2 in the title.
Discuss!
See, this can be misleading though. It really depends on if I'm entertained at the end of the movie. Pirates of the Caribbean I walked out of the theater thinking my $6.50 was well spent and I was happy and entertained. With Transformers 2 I walked out and realized that despite the awesome giant robots, there were plot holes big enough to hide small cities in. And that detracted from my entertainment buck.
There are good comic book movies that have been made. Iron Man and the Dark Knight are the best examples. But even Spiderman 1 & 2 and X Men were really well done movies.
Sometimes though, I don't want to see a movie that has a point. Sometimes I just want to see a sword fight.
The idea that a movie has to choose between being fun and entertaining and having something to say is deeply retarded.
True but most of the time when I spending my upwards of twenty dollars for a night out with the wife I choose one 10 times out of 10 over the other.
again, there's nothing that says you can't choose both.
Hollywood says so man! There are no movies like Cobra that have a positive message and ultra violence jacob!
it's like you didn't even see the Robocop poster up there
A movie from the 80's isn't going to be in theaters for a night out j! Besides you know me, what do you think I'm more likely to watch on a friday night? Drive Angry 3D, or the Kings Speech?
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The idea that a movie has to choose between being fun and entertaining and having something to say is deeply retarded.
True but most of the time when I spending my upwards of twenty dollars for a night out with the wife I choose one 10 times out of 10 over the other.
again, there's nothing that says you can't choose both.
No, but it is a lot harder to pull off both.
Is it actually that much harder, or are there just a lot of filmmakers who don't even bother trying because they figure they've met the correct quota of explosions?
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TurksonNear the mountains of ColoradoRegistered Userregular
edited March 2011
Has anyone seen Drive Angry?
And of all the remakes that Hollywood is going to do, would it be too much to ask for a Conan remake?
And of all the remakes that Hollywood is going to do, would it be too much to ask for a Conan remake?
There has been a conan remake constantly in development, though I swear there were stills from this one. I forget who they got to play conan as it wasn't HHH and I had a sad.
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
A movie from the 80's isn't going to be in theaters for a night out j! Besides you know me, what do you think I'm more likely to watch on a friday night? Drive Angry 3D, or the Kings Speech?
So do you think The King's Speech is just going to be two hours of doing your homework? Because everything I've heard about it is that it's really sweet and interesting and funny.
I just watched Moonstruck last night and there is not a single gun or car chase in the movie but I wasn't bored. I was just as interested in what was happening as I am in a movie filled with suspense. Conversely, I watch something like Robocop or Die Hard or Hunt for Red October, which are fantastic action movies, and not feel like I need to scrub the poison out of my brain.
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JacobkoshGamble a stamp.I can show you how to be a real man!Moderatormod
edited March 2011
Supposedly the Conan movie is coming out this summer, but I haven't heard dick about it.
A movie from the 80's isn't going to be in theaters for a night out j! Besides you know me, what do you think I'm more likely to watch on a friday night? Drive Angry 3D, or the Kings Speech?
So do you think The King's Speech is just going to be two hours of doing your homework? Because everything I've heard about it is that it's really sweet and interesting and funny.
I just watched Moonstruck last night and there is not a single gun or car chase in the movie but I wasn't bored. I was just as interested in what was happening as I am in a movie filled with suspense. Conversely, I watch something like Robocop or Die Hard or Hunt for Red October, which are fantastic action movies, and not feel like I need to scrub the poison out of my brain.
Well its more I go to be entertained at the movies, and previews of the kings speech tell me "no preacher this is not for you."
Hell most movies released from november on are not usually my type of movie.
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Supposedly the Conan movie is coming out this summer, but I haven't heard dick about it.
This is making me very, very nervous.
Hunt for Red October. I remember seeing that with my dad at the drive-in movie theater lot. That's just an awesome movie all around. Only Sean Connery could pull off being a Russian sub captain without bothering to change his accent.
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The idea that a movie has to choose between being fun and entertaining and having something to say is deeply retarded.
True but most of the time when I spending my upwards of twenty dollars for a night out with the wife I choose one 10 times out of 10 over the other.
again, there's nothing that says you can't choose both.
No, but it is a lot harder to pull off both.
Is it actually that much harder, or are there just a lot of filmmakers who don't even bother trying because they figure they've met the correct quota of explosions?
Yes, I think it really is that much harder, and can be more so depending on the subject matter. I mean take Black Swan. It's a well made film. It's an engaging film but it's not one that a lot of people want to view more then once. And that's the hallmark of an entertaining film. A film doesn't need to make you laugh to be entertaining, plenty of people watch Steel Magnolias over and over, and it's not exactly a laugh riot. But to be entertaining the viewer needs to be somewhat eager to see it again. So I don't think it's a knock against a film for failing to be entertaining if it's engaging.
The lack of Hitchcock movies on Netflix is really annoying. One of my friends has been bugging me to watch Rope for like, three years.
You mean on streaming? I could get Rope on dvd from Netflix by Friday if I put it in my queue now...
As far as the upcoming Conan movie, with Jason Momoa as Conan, the director who brought us Pathfinder, the Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake, and the Friday the 13th remake, and screenwriters who were at least partially responsible for A Sound of Thunder, The Crow: Wicked Prayer, and Cube 2: Hypercube, well... I'm fairly certain the only way my expectations could be lower would be if Uwe Boll were involved.
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AstaerethIn the belly of the beastRegistered Userregular
edited March 2011
Rope is so good. It's like watching a really good black comedic play and a really clever sustained act of technical wizardry at the same time. Also, Jimmy Stewart, how can you go wrong. Answer: you can't.
It is harder to make a movie that's viscerally exciting (explosions, sword fights, doves armed with handguns) as well as emotionally/thematically resonant. Each approach relies on mostly dissimilar skillsets. And Hollywood long ago (ie 1980-ish) figured out they could still get a lot of people to come to an exciting, shallow movie, but it was harder to get people to go to a non-exciting, deep movie. It goes back to the whole "film as product" thing--artistic movies, and I'm including stuff like Die Hard and Jaws in that, are much harder to put in little boxes on shelves and sell to the public than "Robots n' 'Splosions n' Megan Fox is a Foxy Lady!"
It's a matter of risk: people really respond to a exciting, artful movie that works, even more than they do an exciting movie, but that extra payoff isn't necessarily worth the chance that an artful movie won't work. And if by chance Pirates 4 doesn't sell, it's because the marketers did a bad job; if Inception doesn't sell, it's because the filmmakers did a bad job, and that's beyond the ability of the studios to predict or control.
The idea that a movie has to choose between being fun and entertaining and having something to say is deeply retarded.
True but most of the time when I spending my upwards of twenty dollars for a night out with the wife I choose one 10 times out of 10 over the other.
again, there's nothing that says you can't choose both.
No, but it is a lot harder to pull off both.
Is it actually that much harder, or are there just a lot of filmmakers who don't even bother trying because they figure they've met the correct quota of explosions?
Yes, I think it really is that much harder, and can be more so depending on the subject matter. I mean take Black Swan. It's a well made film. It's an engaging film but it's not one that a lot of people want to view more then once. And that's the hallmark of an entertaining film. A film doesn't need to make you laugh to be entertaining, plenty of people watch Steel Magnolias over and over, and it's not exactly a laugh riot. But to be entertaining the viewer needs to be somewhat eager to see it again. So I don't think it's a knock against a film for failing to be entertaining if it's engaging.
It seems kind of narrow to purport that a more cerebral type of film can't be fun or entertaining though. I think if you're limiting entertainment value simply to movies that are type/genre/etc or another, then you're sort of closing yourself off to different ways of being entertained.
I mean, I like Michael Haneke's films a lot, but they're what a lot of people would consider slow foreign art films or something. I find them entertaining even though they're more challenging to view. I'd definitely watch them again as well, because I find myself entertained or having fun while watching them. I can also watch Robocop and find different enjoyment.
It just seems like a conservative way to view film.
Supposedly the Conan movie is coming out this summer, but I haven't heard dick about it.
This is making me very, very nervous.
Hunt for Red October. I remember seeing that with my dad at the drive-in movie theater lot. That's just an awesome movie all around. Only Sean Connery could pull off being a Russian sub captain without bothering to change his accent.
They cast the dreadlocks guy from Stargate: Atlantis to be the new Conan. I will now pause while everyone moans in despair.
Edit: Ugh, apperently Rose McGowan is gonna be in it too.
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Dusdais ashamed of this postSLC, UTRegistered Userregular
edited March 2011
What's wrong with Rose McGowan? Granted, I've only seen her in Grindhouse.
What's wrong with Rose McGowan? Granted, I've only seen her in Grindhouse.
Look at her arms, now think of any fantasy swordswoman. And I thought Rose was going to be the new red sonja? Or was that scrapped when rodriguez stopped fucking her.
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The Robocop poster is pretty neat looking too.
In conclusion, L.A. Confidential is one of the best movies ever.
The more I watch Robocop the better it seems to get.
Yeah.
Also:
Also, this article:
Discuss!
It's worth thinking about for a moment. Not only can we enjoy basically every work created in the last 500 years or so, plus a fair fraction of everything that has gone before, but the rate of production has increased almost asymptotically. Yes of course the massive majority of that production is worthless and ephemeral - Sturgeon's Law applies - but even by the narrowest definition of worthwhile art, history and science, we're getting immensely richer faster and faster.
Oh yes and:
I bought a copy of this for my dad this year. At the grand old age of 68, he had never seen it. He loves a good film as much as the next man, it's just that he'd never happened to watch this. It says something of the superabundance of our culture that he could quite reasonably have never got around to experiencing such an incredible classic work.
Yes you do.
Until that time, you should feel bad.
See, this can be misleading though. It really depends on if I'm entertained at the end of the movie. Pirates of the Caribbean I walked out of the theater thinking my $6.50 was well spent and I was happy and entertained. With Transformers 2 I walked out and realized that despite the awesome giant robots, there were plot holes big enough to hide small cities in. And that detracted from my entertainment buck.
There are good comic book movies that have been made. Iron Man and the Dark Knight are the best examples. But even Spiderman 1 & 2 and X Men were really well done movies.
Sometimes though, I don't want to see a movie that has a point. Sometimes I just want to see a sword fight.
Thank you.
I'm on a list for Tim Doyle posters. Guess I gotta add my name to another list.
True but most of the time when I spending my upwards of twenty dollars for a night out with the wife I choose one 10 times out of 10 over the other.
pleasepaypreacher.net
again, there's nothing that says you can't choose both.
Hollywood says so man! There are no movies like Cobra that have a positive message and ultra violence jacob!
pleasepaypreacher.net
No, but it is a lot harder to pull off both.
it's like you didn't even see the Robocop poster up there
A movie from the 80's isn't going to be in theaters for a night out j! Besides you know me, what do you think I'm more likely to watch on a friday night? Drive Angry 3D, or the Kings Speech?
pleasepaypreacher.net
Is it actually that much harder, or are there just a lot of filmmakers who don't even bother trying because they figure they've met the correct quota of explosions?
And of all the remakes that Hollywood is going to do, would it be too much to ask for a Conan remake?
There has been a conan remake constantly in development, though I swear there were stills from this one. I forget who they got to play conan as it wasn't HHH and I had a sad.
pleasepaypreacher.net
Agreed.
I think so many people going for "fun" don't try though.
Although that doesn't mean there's not plenty of good (but not great) fun movies out there with really nothing much to say overall.
So do you think The King's Speech is just going to be two hours of doing your homework? Because everything I've heard about it is that it's really sweet and interesting and funny.
I just watched Moonstruck last night and there is not a single gun or car chase in the movie but I wasn't bored. I was just as interested in what was happening as I am in a movie filled with suspense. Conversely, I watch something like Robocop or Die Hard or Hunt for Red October, which are fantastic action movies, and not feel like I need to scrub the poison out of my brain.
Well its more I go to be entertained at the movies, and previews of the kings speech tell me "no preacher this is not for you."
Hell most movies released from november on are not usually my type of movie.
pleasepaypreacher.net
This is making me very, very nervous.
Hunt for Red October. I remember seeing that with my dad at the drive-in movie theater lot. That's just an awesome movie all around. Only Sean Connery could pull off being a Russian sub captain without bothering to change his accent.
Yes, I think it really is that much harder, and can be more so depending on the subject matter. I mean take Black Swan. It's a well made film. It's an engaging film but it's not one that a lot of people want to view more then once. And that's the hallmark of an entertaining film. A film doesn't need to make you laugh to be entertaining, plenty of people watch Steel Magnolias over and over, and it's not exactly a laugh riot. But to be entertaining the viewer needs to be somewhat eager to see it again. So I don't think it's a knock against a film for failing to be entertaining if it's engaging.
Tomorrow night one of the local theaters here is showing Strangers on a Train, I can't wait to see it on the big screen
You mean on streaming? I could get Rope on dvd from Netflix by Friday if I put it in my queue now...
As far as the upcoming Conan movie, with Jason Momoa as Conan, the director who brought us Pathfinder, the Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake, and the Friday the 13th remake, and screenwriters who were at least partially responsible for A Sound of Thunder, The Crow: Wicked Prayer, and Cube 2: Hypercube, well... I'm fairly certain the only way my expectations could be lower would be if Uwe Boll were involved.
It is harder to make a movie that's viscerally exciting (explosions, sword fights, doves armed with handguns) as well as emotionally/thematically resonant. Each approach relies on mostly dissimilar skillsets. And Hollywood long ago (ie 1980-ish) figured out they could still get a lot of people to come to an exciting, shallow movie, but it was harder to get people to go to a non-exciting, deep movie. It goes back to the whole "film as product" thing--artistic movies, and I'm including stuff like Die Hard and Jaws in that, are much harder to put in little boxes on shelves and sell to the public than "Robots n' 'Splosions n' Megan Fox is a Foxy Lady!"
It's a matter of risk: people really respond to a exciting, artful movie that works, even more than they do an exciting movie, but that extra payoff isn't necessarily worth the chance that an artful movie won't work. And if by chance Pirates 4 doesn't sell, it's because the marketers did a bad job; if Inception doesn't sell, it's because the filmmakers did a bad job, and that's beyond the ability of the studios to predict or control.
I mean, I like Michael Haneke's films a lot, but they're what a lot of people would consider slow foreign art films or something. I find them entertaining even though they're more challenging to view. I'd definitely watch them again as well, because I find myself entertained or having fun while watching them. I can also watch Robocop and find different enjoyment.
It just seems like a conservative way to view film.
They cast the dreadlocks guy from Stargate: Atlantis to be the new Conan. I will now pause while everyone moans in despair.
Edit: Ugh, apperently Rose McGowan is gonna be in it too.
Look at her arms, now think of any fantasy swordswoman. And I thought Rose was going to be the new red sonja? Or was that scrapped when rodriguez stopped fucking her.
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Again I never heard about her in conan but I do know she was going to be in Red Sonja and Sonja was no sorceress.
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