460 SE are not worth it. Get a regular 460 1GB model like this.
Hm, ordered that one I linked yesterday - not sure what the difference is though, except that it looks like the MSI one has been factory overclocked and that it'd also be about 30-40ish dollars more. Is the SE way different or something?
48 fewer CUDA cores. This comparison has it benched against the GTX 460.
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460 SE are not worth it. Get a regular 460 1GB model like this.
Hm, ordered that one I linked yesterday - not sure what the difference is though, except that it looks like the MSI one has been factory overclocked and that it'd also be about 30-40ish dollars more. Is the SE way different or something?
48 fewer CUDA cores. This comparison has it benched against the GTX 460.
Oh snaps my cores . Thanks for the link, I had no idea. Gonna read that and see what's up. Bloody graphics cards! What's the long and the short of it, if you don't mind?
Edit - nevermind...
...Significantly lower performance than GTX 460 768 MB...
It's not necessarily a bad video card, it could be perfectly adequate for your needs and a significant upgrade from what you had, it's just that most people who buy the 460 "SE" don't realize what it is.
"What have we here? It's cheaper than a regular 460 1GB, and it has SE in the name. That must stand for Special Edition or something. What a find!"
And then you discover that the "Special" part is as in "Special Olympics."
I almost did this myself until someone in the last build thread warned me off.
But again, for what you want out of a card it could be a perfectly fine buy. Assess it once it arrived and see if its performance meets your needs, and if it does don't worry about it being a "gimped" card or anything like that.
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firewaterwordSatchitanandaPais Vasco to San FranciscoRegistered Userregular
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Thanks Gaslight. I'm of two minds really. I'll most likely toss it in to see what it ends up doing - which I assume should be a good deal coming from my 8800GT.
But I just got my refund check, and the temptation to blow it on a new rig entirely is pretty strong. I know I should be sensible and invest it in expensive whisky and cheap women, but maybe I'll treat myself just this once...
I posted a thread earlier today determining that my old GPU is indeed fried so right now im looking to build a new PC for around $600 while still keeping the old one running.
So first, to keep the old computer running: can I use any sort cheap ($40) GPU to have it run normally minus games? Perhaps this card?
Can I reuse my old PSU in a new machine if I plan on running something like an HD 6870, including the possibility of eventually picking up another card to run in tandem? If so, what kind of basic PSU should I throw in the old box?
Should I look into a small SSD to run my OS on in the new PC, or will the old 250gb at 7200rpm be suitable?
Next, for building the new PC: If I pick up an HD 6870, what sort of processor will suit it well? In my old box I often found the CPU throttled gameplay and normal use much more than the GPU ever did. I know I want to get a quad core, but I have no sense of the naming system they use anymore of what will suit my needs.
Also re: RAM: is 6gb DDR3 too much? Will 4gb still be sufficient?
Also @Hardtarget the wire-free case youre using is incredibly enticing, I'm very stongly considering dropping the extra cash for something so nice.
Sorry about all the questions, I've been out of the market for so long I don't recognize anything anymore.
4GB of RAM is all you'll need for any of the current generation of games, more than enough really. There's nothing wrong with having more but you won't really make use of it unless you're into doing a lot of high-quality image or video editing and stuff like that.
My online store of choice (NCIX) finally has the LGA1155 motherboards back in stock.
NCIX has been claiming to have P67/1155 motherboards in before they actually have the stock so I wouldn't assume this is the case. They're still giving me the run around even though I ordered the P8P67 Pro and was charged last Thursday and the forums indicate I'm far from the only one.
Throwing out a random question here: is it feasible to build an ITX rig without an internal DVD drive, then install Windows by either a USB flash drive or an external DVD drive? I want to build a new ITX rig and I honestly don't need a DVD drive at all times.
Ive already Googled some info on copying the Win7 install DVD to a flash drive (USB) or booting to BIOS, changing drive boot order, then restarting (DVD) but am not 100% confident in this path and am interested in anecdotal evidence in either direction.
hey guys, I'm relatively new to the whole "picking all the parts and then assembling them" thing, I was wondering what you all thought of this build(that has been heavily influenced by this thread!)
hey guys, I'm relatively new to the whole "picking all the parts and then assembling them" thing, I was wondering what you all thought of this build(that has been heavily influenced by this thread!)
I thiiink that's everything but am I missing anything or are there any problems with this?
it's got to be everything, I don't have anything I can use here, not even speakers.
I'd say the only snake oil stuff here is the Keyboard and Mouse; I think mine combined were $50 or so and serve me well. Since I'm not as abreast of those items as I am the rig itself
INCOMPLETE, will finish tonight, sorry valvejunkie
My online store of choice (NCIX) finally has the LGA1155 motherboards back in stock.
NCIX has been claiming to have P67/1155 motherboards in before they actually have the stock so I wouldn't assume this is the case. They're still giving me the run around even though I ordered the P8P67 Pro and was charged last Thursday and the forums indicate I'm far from the only one.
Sonnuva...
Maybe I'll wait a few more days then. See if they change their stock listing at the very least.
Nobody commented on my build, so I assume it's 100% perfect and will do everything I ever wanted! ;-)
No, but seriously, if anyone thinks of anything to comment on, feel free to hit me with it.
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Pulled the trigger on the following last night (a few beers helped simplify the deliberation process...):
I'd planned to get a HAF-912 case, but it wasn't going to ship from amazon until next week, and I want all this junk by friday, since I'm outro on business for a while come Wednesday. And I'd like to obliterate the weekend in a Shogun 2 haze.
I'm going to see what kind of performance I get with the E8500, then go from there. I've read conflicting things, but it looks like it won't bottleneck things toooo much at 1680x1050. I've got a +212 cooler on it, but haven't messed around with OC'ing yet. I hear the E8500 is a good chip for that, so I might give it a shot. The internet says my Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3L mobo should be cool with it.
I'll probably snag a 1920x1200 monitor, ram, mobo, and cpu (and maybe a new PSU, depending. I can always put the 650w in what's going to turn into my HTPC) at a later date, depending on how things perform.
It is also much better cooling. The stock heatsink for the 2500K was pitiful. At stock settings I was getting up to 65c at load. With a custom heatsink/fan I never go above 53c at load OC'd at 4.4GHZ currently.
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It is also much better cooling. The stock heatsink for the 2500K was pitiful. At stock settings I was getting up to 65c at load. With a custom heatsink/fan I never go above 53c at load OC'd at 4.4GHZ currently.
yeah, I was going to wait to overclock until I got a different heatsink and look! a different heatsink!
he said to get a full ATX motherboard, so what do you guys think of this one?
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Part of me wants to hit up that microcenter deal. But the smart part of me knows that I'll probably burn more gas in the 2-3 hour drive than I'll "save" so.... Also traffic.
It is also much better cooling. The stock heatsink for the 2500K was pitiful. At stock settings I was getting up to 65c at load. With a custom heatsink/fan I never go above 53c at load OC'd at 4.4GHZ currently.
yeah, I was going to wait to overclock until I got a different heatsink and look! a different heatsink!
he said to get a full ATX motherboard, so what do you guys think of this one?
I have a standard P8P67 and it works great. I had issues when it was first released because it shipped with a version of the BIOS that didn't exist on their website. It wouldn't keep memory speeds and would constantly double POST. I updated the BIOS and it was fine. The new B3 revisions all ship with the most recent version.
I recently RMA'd my release board and picked up the B3 revision. It works great right out of the box.
I think the LE will not do SLI (It should do crossfire just fine). The onboard NIC is a Realtek instead of an Intel (PRO uses Intel). I had a few issues with the Realtek NIC disconnecting randomly, but after updating the drivers (with the latest from Realtek's site) it has been working great.
Part of me wants to hit up that microcenter deal. But the smart part of me knows that I'll probably burn more gas in the 2-3 hour drive than I'll "save" so.... Also traffic.
2-3 hours?!?? Yeah, you'd be much better off buying stuff off amazon with free shipping and no tax. Heck even Newegg would probably be at least a comparable deal.
At $4.00 a gallon, you'd need to be really close to make that deal worth it.
Part of me wants to hit up that microcenter deal. But the smart part of me knows that I'll probably burn more gas in the 2-3 hour drive than I'll "save" so.... Also traffic.
2-3 hours?!?? Yeah, you'd be much better off buying stuff off amazon with free shipping and no tax. Heck even Newegg would probably be at least a comparable deal.
At $4.00 a gallon, you'd need to be really close to make that deal worth it.
And I totally drive like an asshole, in the bay area, and use expensive gas!
But yeah, pretty much. Grabbed a free month trial of prime, so anything more I'm buying is coming from amazon. Per usual, really.
hey guys, I'm relatively new to the whole "picking all the parts and then assembling them" thing, I was wondering what you all thought of this build(that has been heavily influenced by this thread!)
I thiiink that's everything but am I missing anything or are there any problems with this?
it's got to be everything, I don't have anything I can use here, not even speakers.
I'd say the only snake oil stuff here is the Keyboard and Mouse; I think mine combined were $50 or so and serve me well. Since I'm not as abreast of those items as I am the rig itself
INCOMPLETE, will finish tonight, sorry valvejunkie
$250 - MSI GTX 560 Ti Twin Frozr $242 - Intel i5-2500k + Cooler Master Hyper 212+ $155 - Cooler Master HAF912 + Win7 Home Premium OEM $150 - Corsair TX650 V2 80-Bronze PSU + Samsung Spinpoint 1TB HDD [$20 MIR] $150 - Asus P8P67-PRO $43* - 4GB G.Skill DDR3-1333 (no real-world boost from > 1333 on 2500k chip)
Other notes:
A 650W PSU should be enough for dual 560s if you go down that path, but I wouldn't dare go lower.
dexter, on second thought you could probably go for an Antec Neo ECO 520W over a 620W since you're not overclocking the i5-2500.
Don't spend $170 on your KB + Mouse. At least, not right away.
man, on the one hand this has me down to around $1100 total, but on the other hand the antec 600T looks so nice. ahh what to do
When my computer is turned on I primarily look at:
(a) my case
(b) my monitor
Seriously, I own an Antec 1200 and it's not in my line of sight when I'm using it.
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edited March 2011
Man, that Antec 600T is a pretty nice case for that price. For my money the P180 series is still tops, but finding a good deal on one seems like a daunting proposition these days. It's nice having a case where I don't have to worry about graphics cards getting too big
Totals out to the $1300-$1350 range and lets me replace my monolithic Antec 1200 with something less than one-fourth the volume. My trigger finger itches...
=== tofu, right now no. The 550Ti just debuted at the $150 mark and it's underwhelming. Your video card is reasonably strong for the time being, mostly due to the 1GB of VRAM.
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edited March 2011
I have an Antec P180 case, it's nice, but it's old and outdated. I could have gone for a P182 in my new build but the Corsair 600T is just a much more advanced case.
$150 - Asus P8P67-PRO $43* - 4GB G.Skill DDR3-1333 (no real-world boost from > 1333 on 2500k chip)
Other notes:
A 650W PSU should be enough for dual 560s if you go down that path, but I wouldn't dare go lower.
dexter, on second thought you could probably go for an Antec Neo ECO 520W over a 620W since you're not overclocking the i5-2500.
Don't spend $170 on your KB + Mouse. At least, not right away.
Thanks, dude, i'll check it out when I get home from uni and get back to you!
EDIT: Actually I can do it now. Thanks for the tip, Zoelef, but would 520W be okay? I'm happy to spend the extra $20 since I understand the PSU is important. But I'll beleive you if you say it's okay!
With i5-2500 + GTX 560 Ti + the rest it recommends a 356 PSU minimum. Double checked the stock version and it recommends 500W minimum, so yeah don't OC too crazily and the 520W should be fine.
Have a little bit of an upgrade itch and thinking about jumping to DX 11. Any GPUs (ATI or nVidia) around $150 worth grabbing to replace a 4870 1GB?
edit: SLI or Crossfire support doesn't matter to me, I'll never use it
the 560 ti nvidia card just came out around that price and everyone seems to be supportive of it. I'm not sure exactly how it fares though
560 ti will run almost $100 more than that. And you'll need to spend at least that much to really get much of a boost above your 4870, unless your only concern is DX11. I'd probably hold off on upgrading, at least from my understanding of the GPU landscape and where you sit on it.
EDIT: Aw shit, you probably meant the 550 Ti, which did indeed just come out. Still holds, though...you're going to be looking at a minimal performance upgrade at best, other than DX11 support. Save up another $100, or wait for another price drop, and make the upgrade worth it.
Have a little bit of an upgrade itch and thinking about jumping to DX 11. Any GPUs (ATI or nVidia) around $150 worth grabbing to replace a 4870 1GB?
edit: SLI or Crossfire support doesn't matter to me, I'll never use it
the 560 ti nvidia card just came out around that price and everyone seems to be supportive of it. I'm not sure exactly how it fares though
560 ti will run almost $100 more than that. And you'll need to spend at least that much to really get much of a boost above your 4870, unless your only concern is DX11. I'd probably hold off on upgrading, at least from my understanding of the GPU landscape and where you sit on it.
EDIT: Aw shit, you probably meant the 550 Ti, which did indeed just come out. Still holds, though...you're going to be looking at a minimal performance upgrade at best, other than DX11 support. Save up another $100, or wait for another price drop, and make the upgrade worth it.
It's not a big deal right now, very few games support DX11 yet so there's no rush. My system still handles the newest games at medium to high settings perfectly fine so I don't mind waiting another generation to pick up cards on the cheap
Yeah the only reason I made the jump to a 460 was because I had been using an 8800gts. I think I only have a handful of games that give a damn about me having dx11
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48 fewer CUDA cores. This comparison has it benched against the GTX 460.
Oh snaps my cores
Edit - nevermind... Oh well, we'll see what's up when it gets here.
"What have we here? It's cheaper than a regular 460 1GB, and it has SE in the name. That must stand for Special Edition or something. What a find!"
And then you discover that the "Special" part is as in "Special Olympics."
I almost did this myself until someone in the last build thread warned me off.
But again, for what you want out of a card it could be a perfectly fine buy. Assess it once it arrived and see if its performance meets your needs, and if it does don't worry about it being a "gimped" card or anything like that.
But I just got my refund check, and the temptation to blow it on a new rig entirely is pretty strong. I know I should be sensible and invest it in expensive whisky and cheap women, but maybe I'll treat myself just this once...
Here are the old specs:
Corsair G Skill 4GB (4x1GB) DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) RAM
Intel Core2 Duo E6600 2.4GHz CPU
EVGA GeForce 8800GTS 640Mb GPU
WD 250Gb HDD 7200RPM
WD 500Gb HDD 5400RPM
WD 1Tb HDD 5400RPM
XCLIO Stablepower 500W PSU
So first, to keep the old computer running: can I use any sort cheap ($40) GPU to have it run normally minus games? Perhaps this card?
Can I reuse my old PSU in a new machine if I plan on running something like an HD 6870, including the possibility of eventually picking up another card to run in tandem? If so, what kind of basic PSU should I throw in the old box?
Should I look into a small SSD to run my OS on in the new PC, or will the old 250gb at 7200rpm be suitable?
Next, for building the new PC: If I pick up an HD 6870, what sort of processor will suit it well? In my old box I often found the CPU throttled gameplay and normal use much more than the GPU ever did. I know I want to get a quad core, but I have no sense of the naming system they use anymore of what will suit my needs.
Also re: RAM: is 6gb DDR3 too much? Will 4gb still be sufficient?
Also @Hardtarget the wire-free case youre using is incredibly enticing, I'm very stongly considering dropping the extra cash for something so nice.
Sorry about all the questions, I've been out of the market for so long I don't recognize anything anymore.
Thanks dude, I had a look. The place I'm buying from don't have that model... Could you recommended anything else from here
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=25_547
for around the same price? ~$65. Should I just go for another Coolermaster?
Something like the CoolerMaster Elite 370 with window look alright.
NCIX has been claiming to have P67/1155 motherboards in before they actually have the stock so I wouldn't assume this is the case. They're still giving me the run around even though I ordered the P8P67 Pro and was charged last Thursday and the forums indicate I'm far from the only one.
QEDMF xbl: PantsB G+
Ive already Googled some info on copying the Win7 install DVD to a flash drive (USB) or booting to BIOS, changing drive boot order, then restarting (DVD) but am not 100% confident in this path and am interested in anecdotal evidence in either direction.
And, as everyone else said, Crysis on Ultra High is a bizarre, eye-widening experience.
CASE:Corsair Graphite Series 600T Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case-$145
CPU:Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K-$220
MOBO:ASUS P8P67-M PRO LGA 1155 SATA 6Gbps and USB 3.0 Supported Intel P67 DDR3 2200 Micro ATX Motherboard-[STRIKE]$172(it was only $150 on newegg but they're out of stock >:|)[/STRIKE] oh shit never mind a different seller had it for $150
PSU:CORSAIR Builder Series CMPSU-600CX 600W ATX12V v2.3 Active PFC Power Supply-$65
RAM:G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9S-4GBRL-$55
GPU:EVGA 012-P3-1470-AR GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card-$260
BD:LITE-ON Black 4X BD-ROM 8X DVD-ROM 32X CD-ROM SATA Internal 4X Blu-ray Reader Model iHOS104-06 - OEM-$50
DISPLAY:ASUS VH238H Black 23" Full HD HDMI LED Backlight LCD Monitor w/Speakers 250 cd/m2 ASCR 50,000,000:1-$190(yes I know snake-oil snake-oil blah blah)
HD:SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive-$65
MOUSE:Logitech G9x Black Two modes scroll USB Wired Laser 5700 dpi Gaming Mouse-$70
KEYBOARD:Steelseries 6Gv2 Gaming Keyboard-$100(same as with the mobo, newegg was sold out)
I thiiink that's everything but am I missing anything or are there any problems with this?
it's got to be everything, I don't have anything I can use here, not even speakers.
I'd say the only snake oil stuff here is the Keyboard and Mouse; I think mine combined were $50 or so and serve me well. Since I'm not as abreast of those items as I am the rig itself
INCOMPLETE, will finish tonight, sorry valvejunkie
Cutting costs: Case, Keyboard, Mouse
Other changes: GPU (GTX 470 -> 560/6870/6950; mATX motherboard -> ATX)
$242 - Intel i5-2500k + Cooler Master Hyper 212+
$150 - Corsair TX650 V2 80-Bronze PSU + Samsung Spinpoint 1TB HDD [$20 MIR]
Sonnuva...
Maybe I'll wait a few more days then. See if they change their stock listing at the very least.
Nobody commented on my build, so I assume it's 100% perfect and will do everything I ever wanted! ;-)
No, but seriously, if anyone thinks of anything to comment on, feel free to hit me with it.
- Corsair 600T
- HIS HD6590 2GB GPU
- Antec 650W PSU
I'd planned to get a HAF-912 case, but it wasn't going to ship from amazon until next week, and I want all this junk by friday, since I'm outro on business for a while come Wednesday. And I'd like to obliterate the weekend in a Shogun 2 haze.
I'm going to see what kind of performance I get with the E8500, then go from there. I've read conflicting things, but it looks like it won't bottleneck things toooo much at 1680x1050. I've got a +212 cooler on it, but haven't messed around with OC'ing yet. I hear the E8500 is a good chip for that, so I might give it a shot. The internet says my Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3L mobo should be cool with it.
I'll probably snag a 1920x1200 monitor, ram, mobo, and cpu (and maybe a new PSU, depending. I can always put the 650w in what's going to turn into my HTPC) at a later date, depending on how things perform.
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It is also much better cooling. The stock heatsink for the 2500K was pitiful. At stock settings I was getting up to 65c at load. With a custom heatsink/fan I never go above 53c at load OC'd at 4.4GHZ currently.
It's been posted, but thanks for the reminder :^: Still a great deal for those looking for a cheap but capable upgrade.
yeah, I was going to wait to overclock until I got a different heatsink and look! a different heatsink!
he said to get a full ATX motherboard, so what do you guys think of this one?
I have a standard P8P67 and it works great. I had issues when it was first released because it shipped with a version of the BIOS that didn't exist on their website. It wouldn't keep memory speeds and would constantly double POST. I updated the BIOS and it was fine. The new B3 revisions all ship with the most recent version.
I recently RMA'd my release board and picked up the B3 revision. It works great right out of the box.
I think the LE will not do SLI (It should do crossfire just fine). The onboard NIC is a Realtek instead of an Intel (PRO uses Intel). I had a few issues with the Realtek NIC disconnecting randomly, but after updating the drivers (with the latest from Realtek's site) it has been working great.
2-3 hours?!?? Yeah, you'd be much better off buying stuff off amazon with free shipping and no tax. Heck even Newegg would probably be at least a comparable deal.
At $4.00 a gallon, you'd need to be really close to make that deal worth it.
$250 - MSI GTX 560 Ti Twin Frozr
$242 - Intel i5-2500k + Cooler Master Hyper 212+
$155 - Cooler Master HAF912 + Win7 Home Premium OEM
$150 - Corsair TX650 V2 80-Bronze PSU + Samsung Spinpoint 1TB HDD [$20 MIR][/QUOTE]
$150 - Asus P8P67-PRO
$43* - 4GB G.Skill DDR3-1333 (no real-world boost from > 1333 on 2500k chip)
Other notes:
And I totally drive like an asshole, in the bay area, and use expensive gas!
But yeah, pretty much. Grabbed a free month trial of prime, so anything more I'm buying is coming from amazon. Per usual, really.
man, on the one hand this has me down to around $1100 total, but on the other hand the antec 600T looks so nice. ahh what to do
When my computer is turned on I primarily look at:
(a) my case
(b) my monitor
Seriously, I own an Antec 1200 and it's not in my line of sight when I'm using it.
edit: SLI or Crossfire support doesn't matter to me, I'll never use it
Superbiiz:
$445 - Crucial C300 256GB SSD (no tax or s/h)
Amazon:
$138 - Silverstone SG06BB-450 ITX Case w/450W 80-Bronze PSU (no tax or s/h)
Newegg:
$295 - i5-2500 CPU + ASRock H67 ITX motherboard
$185 - XFX 6850 ZDFC model [$20 MIR]
$100 - Win7 Home Premium OEM
$40 - Wintec 4GB DDR3-1333 RAM (single-stick)
$37 - Rosewill External DVD Drive
$33 - Scythe SCSK-1100 Shuriken Cooler
Totals out to the $1300-$1350 range and lets me replace my monolithic Antec 1200 with something less than one-fourth the volume. My trigger finger itches...
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tofu, right now no. The 550Ti just debuted at the $150 mark and it's underwhelming. Your video card is reasonably strong for the time being, mostly due to the 1GB of VRAM.
Thanks, dude, i'll check it out when I get home from uni and get back to you!
EDIT: Actually I can do it now. Thanks for the tip, Zoelef, but would 520W be okay? I'm happy to spend the extra $20 since I understand the PSU is important. But I'll beleive you if you say it's okay!
With i5-2500 + GTX 560 Ti + the rest it recommends a 356 PSU minimum. Double checked the stock version and it recommends 500W minimum, so yeah don't OC too crazily and the 520W should be fine.
the 560 ti nvidia card just came out around that price and everyone seems to be supportive of it. I'm not sure exactly how it fares though
560 ti will run almost $100 more than that. And you'll need to spend at least that much to really get much of a boost above your 4870, unless your only concern is DX11. I'd probably hold off on upgrading, at least from my understanding of the GPU landscape and where you sit on it.
EDIT: Aw shit, you probably meant the 550 Ti, which did indeed just come out. Still holds, though...you're going to be looking at a minimal performance upgrade at best, other than DX11 support. Save up another $100, or wait for another price drop, and make the upgrade worth it.
even at amazon
E: never mind I'm a big dummy head
It's not a big deal right now, very few games support DX11 yet so there's no rush. My system still handles the newest games at medium to high settings perfectly fine so I don't mind waiting another generation to pick up cards on the cheap