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Tactics Ogre for the PSP!

Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
edited March 2011 in Social Entropy++
Ok guys, I am a huge Ogre Battle buff. Have been ever since middle school, where I would rent the game each week until I saved up enough funds to buy my own copy for 120 bucks. I spent forever getting the best ending. It remains to this date the game that I have beaten the most times. One of my most prized possessions is an Ogre Battle strategy guide with maps and shit that gives detailed information on what you must do to get the best ending. There are four games in this series:

OGRE BATTLE: MARCH OF THE BLACK QUEEN for SNES/PSX
Named after the Queen songs Ogre Battle and March of the Black Queen.

OGRE BATTLE: LET US CLING TOGETHER PSX/PSP
Takes place after the events of the first game. Also named after a queen song: Teo Torriatte (Let Us Cling Together). Introduces the Holy Kingdom of Lotis as antagonists.

OGRE BATTLE 64: PERSON OF LORDLY CALIBER
Not named after a Queen Song! Shocking! Plays like the first game, you lead a rebellion and are fighting against the Lodis Empire again.

TACTICS OGRE: THE KNIGHT OF LODIS
You play as a Knight from the royal kingdom of Lodis. You are investigating the happenings of an isle to the north. The Best Ending of this game reveals the protagonist as
The black knight Lans Tartare

The game that just came out is the remake for the PSP. It completely redid the gameplay to be not ballbreaking frustrating and redid the translation to be much more period accurate. Of course, this means some of the more classic names have been changed, but it's a small price to pay for the wonderful script.

Anybody else playing this now? Seriously, it's my favorite series. Canopus bros for life.

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  • Goose!Goose! That's me, honey Show me the way home, honeyRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Where can I get the other ogre battles. Let Us Cling Together was enjoyable to me.

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  • bloodyroarxxbloodyroarxx Casa GrandeRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Its a great game so far Im in love with the visuals.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    Ogre Battle for the SNES is a collectable. It's obscenely expensive, and one of the greatest games ever. The gameplay still holds up to this day. I haven't touched the PSX version.

    Tactics Ogre: Knight of Lodis is a GBA game. Just to give you an idea, the game's BEST ending can only be achieved if you beat it in under 20 hours. I've beaten it five times.

    Ogre Battle 64 is a N64 game only.

    Check Ebay. These games are all extremely good and extremely hard to find.

    Let Us Cling together was the weakest link in the series because of how balls bustingly hard it was, but the remake fixed all of the gameplay problems and made it one of the best games in the series.

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  • DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I absolutely adore Ogre Battle 64
    that shit needs a DS port

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  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    can we talk about knights of lodis here

    because I have that game but not this psp one

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  • Sweeney TomSweeney Tom Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    The PSP still has games?

    This looks good.

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  • DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    also I'm pretty sure Ogre Battle 64 is on the Virtual Console but I haven't been able to get my wii online to check

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    I absolutely adore Ogre Battle 64
    that shit needs a DS port

    It's funny you should say that, since it's the weakest game in the series comparatively.

    It is a great game no doubt, but the others are better.

    One of the things about Ogre Battle that I love is that the story is told via the gossip you hear in towns, which is encouraged thanks to the gameplay rewards for liberating the towns. So you get this huge story about war and its effects on people and how your army is perceived just by playing the game.


    And let God have Mercy on people who face up against my 3 skynight, Saradin Lich, Aisha Princess unit.

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  • BedlamBedlam Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Ogre Battle 64 is on the Wii virtual console. Just checked and the SNES game is definetly there as well.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    Jars wrote: »
    can we talk about knights of lodis here

    because I have that game but not this psp one

    Knights of Lodis I distinctly remember because of how absurdly broken the game could get. There was a bug I found after beating it once that let me get an endgame weapon at the start of a new game. That's pretty much the only way to beat the game in under 20 hours too, which is pretty nuts.

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  • MeissnerdMeissnerd Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Can we talk about Final Fantasy Tactics in here. Not that there's anything to say about The Perfect Game.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    Right now I am doing the most annoying grind in that I have to raise my Chaos Frame with the Galgastans to recruit this one secret character.


    Oh! And after you beat the PSP game you unlock a feature that lets you jump to the different parts of the story in the game, and since there are three different branches you can play to get to the end, this is a rather big help. And they've added a lot of endgame missions onto the end of it as well.

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  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    easiest way to beat knights of lodis is persuade one of the knights where you fight the siren boss, then get the snapdragon+revive next match and snap an angel knight.

    bam 85 strength sword on top of another +85 str. oh and +1 morale for anyone within 3 spaces. then have alphonse with warp shoes and atropes one shot everyone

    really the "best" ending sucked anyway. everything about route A sucked. fuck route A every scene was either you killing someone you knew or how shitty eleanor's life was.

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  • IloveslimesIloveslimes Everett, WARegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I hate that they dropped using Queen songs for the game titles.

    Do they still have the 100 floor dungeon in Tactics Ogre psp? And how is it easier? Do you get a revive spell before 2/3rds of the game is over? It was so god damn hard, but you felt like you fucking earned any victories.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    It's easier because your men do not instantly die. They get incapcitated first for three turns then die. And they have to die 3 times before its permanent.

    EDIT: And it's still a very tough game. This isn't FFT where you get a barefisted ninja then start furiously masturbating to win.

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  • Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    This was a GBA game wasn't it? I remember it being pretty awesome, but definitely not hard. Man, if only I could find my damn PSP.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    Tactics Ogre: Knight of Lodis is not hard.

    Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together is insane on the PSX. It's merely hard on the PSP.

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  • Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Ah, that would explain it.

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  • IloveslimesIloveslimes Everett, WARegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Thanks for the answers Munkus. I have the game, but haven't had time to open it yet. I like hard, but permanent death was ridiculous.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    this game is so funnnnn

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    Oh my God.

    What is this bullshit.

    WHY WON'T YOU JOIN ME YOU BITCH

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    OH FOR THE LOVE OF FUCK

    ARGH STUPID GAME

    Apparently chaos frame doesn't apply if you raise it later in the story to earlier in the story.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    Other improvements:

    The Chariot Tarot. While you can go through the entire game without using it, and beating the last floor of the Palace of the Dead (100 floors!) without using it and without retreating gives you a special title, this function acts as a better version of a quick save. It lets you go back to any previous action and redo it, creating a branch from the previous gameplay. So if you get upset by your redo, you can go right back to your old actions!

    BUT

    BUT

    BUT

    The most important part is that you can use the chariot tarot to reset the current turn without any ramifications whatsoever. The result is that you can redo your attacks until you get a hit! Note: the game has a memory for each of your actions on each tile already preset. So you will always get your arrow blocked if your fire from the same spot. You have to sometimes experiment and attack from different squares to find one that finally hits/gets the result you were looking for. This is incredibly useful when you kill a unit that is supposed to drop a rare item/recipe but instead dropped a tarot.

    Each turn has a move phase, special phase, and action phase. If you use all three, you can't reset the turn. As long as you keep at least one phase unused, you can reset your actions for that turn and try again with no penalty.

    EDIT: And if you choose the Chaos route, avoid killing Galgastans. Just....just trust me. you don't get any bonus to xp or special points for killing more enemies in a level, only more loot/tarot drops. Focus on killing bosses first and foremost, try to ignore Galgastans. This only pertains to the chaos route, as there is one character that requires a high chaos frame with Galgastan to get, and each galgastan you kill lowers your chaos frame. You don't want to end up like munkus and spend hours grinding your chaos frame.

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  • juice for jesusjuice for jesus Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I had to stop for a bit when I reached the first branch point.

    Real subtle naming your
    "friend" Vyce.

    What are some good skill combinations? So far I haven't class changed any characters, Denem is a warrior and he has a hard time even getting in combat because my archers and Canopus are death machines.

    Hm, I hadn't thought of using the wheel to get guaranteed hits. Makes the improve accuracy skills a little less attractive.

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  • AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    You want at least one, preferably two, dedicated Dragoons. Beasts and Dragons are the meatiest enemies out there and Dragoons eat them up.

    Canopus is a godking unit. You're pretty much going to be spamming arrow fury one everyone.

    Wizards suck. Just don't use them. Seriously they are terrible. The only casters worth a flip are unique story ones and clerics.

    And you need the improve accuracy skills often. I get into plenty of situations where the enemy blocks all of my attacks from every angle if I don't use them.

    And there's a Named Archer unit that you get in the 2nd chapter that you should keep forever. She has extremely good stats and will become a god later in the game. And Knights are generally more useful than clerics except for using Excorcise.

    Finally, once you get Ninja make Denim into that. Double sword katana rape.

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  • LuxLux Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    This game makes me want to get a PSP. I am no Ogre Battle scholar, but I enjoyed the SNES, N64 & GBA game this much (you can't see how far my arms are apart but they're pretty far)

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    edited March 2011
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  • lostwordslostwords Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    this game has been an obsession for the past week, i swear. i love just grinding and keeping my 40 man team levelled, with like 10 monsters

    archers and bows are beastly, especially canopus. i recommend recruiting any hawkdudes you come across as soon as possible, and dragons, who tear shit up. also use charm against your enemies, use the chariot to make sure you get them charmed, etc etc

    the chariot system is kickass, and while i'm still on the last chapter, i look forward to playing through the branching junk

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    Oh yeah. Dragons. Get at least one. Unlike FFT, beasts/dragons are retarded good.

    I keep one dragon on my team to use as a staircase/tank and he's fantastic at it.

    And remember: story characters have higher stats than nonstory characters. This includes the archer/knight you get in the 1st chapter who otherwise look generic. If they have an entry in the warren report, they have higher stats.

    And I regret not having a hawkman cleric.

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  • DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Munkus

    have I ever told you that you're my hero

    for making this thread

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    wait are you saying if you use the chariot tarot to reset the current character's turn before you use all 3 actions it doesn't count as having used the chariot tarot?

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    wait are you saying if you use the chariot tarot to reset the current character's turn before you use all 3 actions it doesn't count as having used the chariot tarot?

    That is what I am saying.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    ooooooooooooooh! that is useful to know

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  • lostwordslostwords Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    The one thing I would improve is the dumb crafting system. My god does it get tedious having to make ores one by one, into ingots, then into junk. Like if it's a 100% chance, let me make more than one at a time

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    Yeah. The crafting system could have been fun, but the fucking one at a time bullshit is well bullshit.

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  • SeriouslySeriously Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I have only ever played the 64 version, it is still one of my favorite games

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  • DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Sony's done a great a job at really making me want to own a PSP

    it's been that way for years

    and I've also been poor for a similar length of time

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  • CorporateLogoCorporateLogo The toilet knows how I feelRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    And there's a Named Archer unit that you get in the 2nd chapter that you should keep forever. She has extremely good stats and will become a god later in the game. And Knights are generally more useful than clerics except for using Excorcise.

    Arcellye is great but god damn is the friendly AI fucking stupid

    Yes, I will sit in the middle of 8 enemies shooting one down while I in turn get shit on by said enemy's angry buddies

    Saving her is a complete pain in the ass

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  • juice for jesusjuice for jesus Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    The music and overall presentation is great. Anyone who wished FFT had gotten a proper sequel should definitely play TO if at all possible. Granted, not everyone has access to a PSP.

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