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  • DrakeDrake Edgelord Trash Below the ecliptic plane.Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    GoG has Septerra Core. It's not really a JRPG but it seems to have all the trappings right down to the art style. I have no idea if it's good, and it's an older isometric style game in 2D but as you've seen, there isn't really a lot to choose from on PC in that particular style of RPG.

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  • busfahrerbusfahrer addict GermanyRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Gez wrote: »
    I highly recommend people take advantage of Direct2Drives sale at the moments. 20% Off all RPG's, meaning Magicka can be bought for 8bucks when using the code 'burnout'. And 15% Off everything else if you use the code 'goddesses'

    'goddesses' doesn't seem to work for the AI War DLC :(

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  • IcemopperIcemopper Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Pheace wrote: »
    Icemopper wrote: »
    Still waiting for Roller Coaster Tycoon to be released on Steam.

    They have all sorts of other tycoon games! Come on already!!!

    Has been for a long time, just not for everyone >.<

    Roller Coaster Tycoon 3 Platinum

    Oh no, sorry, I meant the first one. I just get tired of finding my disk for the installation every time I get the urge. Steam eliminates that need!

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  • RenzoRenzo Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Ledneh wrote: »
    Yeah, I was looking for the more Japanese style of RPG. Blarg.

    I GUESS I could give Last Remnant another shot...

    GoG should pick up Anachronox. That would make some people happy, I think.

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  • AstaleAstale Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Drake wrote: »
    GoG has Septerra Core. It's not really a JRPG but it seems to have all the trappings right down to the art style. I have no idea if it's good, and it's an older isometric style game in 2D but as you've seen, there isn't really a lot to choose from on PC in that particular style of RPG.

    It's okay, but there is pretty much zero progression in the game and 90% of it is fight after fight and the battle system is........slow. There just isn't a way to tear through a fight, even when you vastly overpower the enemy. Hence I remember it as really grindy and never completed it. Still, I didn't hate it. I just didn't have the stamina to go on.

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  • DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Spoit wrote: »
    Darmak wrote: »
    Ledneh wrote: »
    I've got a bad RPG itch that so far Resonance of Fate, The Last Remnant, and tales of Vesperia have all failed to scratch. Steam thread, is there anything in Newell's Chum Bucket that might entertain?

    Eschalon: Book 1 and 2 are both pretty good, if you're into oldschool RPGs.

    Unfortunately, most PC RPGs are wRPGs, rather than the jRPGs he mentioned. Maybe Recetter?

    He just said RPG, I didn't pay attention to the ones he listed. :P And yeah, most PC RPGs are Western so good luck finding what you're looking for.

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  • DrakeDrake Edgelord Trash Below the ecliptic plane.Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Renzo wrote: »
    Ledneh wrote: »
    Yeah, I was looking for the more Japanese style of RPG. Blarg.

    I GUESS I could give Last Remnant another shot...

    GoG should pick up Anachronox. That would make some people happy, I think.

    Yeah. Some cock came up with a fake leaked page featuring Anachronox as a new game for sale on GoG and people were happy and it was a topic of discussion for a bit in the GoG thread. I'm glad I've still got my disk copy, because I just don't have time to hunt a man down and kill him real good anymore.

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  • HardtargetHardtarget There Are Four Lights VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    ok chaps, who's getting portal 2? I need to get in on a 2 pack with somebody

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  • AlegisAlegis Impeckable Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Sure, Hardtarget. I'm trying to resist but I know already I wont be able to post-release

    and then I'll have to pay more!

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I'm wavering pretty hard on this Portal 2 thing but I just know I'll end up buying it in a 2 pack with someone. I just can't decide when to allow my willpower to fold. I preorder basically every Valve game so I don't even know why I dance around it so much.

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  • NappuccinoNappuccino Surveyor of Things and Stuff Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Darmak wrote: »
    Spoit wrote: »
    Darmak wrote: »
    Ledneh wrote: »
    I've got a bad RPG itch that so far Resonance of Fate, The Last Remnant, and tales of Vesperia have all failed to scratch. Steam thread, is there anything in Newell's Chum Bucket that might entertain?

    Eschalon: Book 1 and 2 are both pretty good, if you're into oldschool RPGs.

    Unfortunately, most PC RPGs are wRPGs, rather than the jRPGs he mentioned. Maybe Recetter?

    He just said RPG, I didn't pay attention to the ones he listed. :P And yeah, most PC RPGs are Western so good luck finding what you're looking for.

    Well he listed some jRPG's that didn't fulfill his RPG need. So maybe western ones are what he's looking for.

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  • SightTDWSightTDW Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    My confidence in Steam Guard is wavering. Just had it detect my computer as new hardware after a hard reboot, and it went on to not accept the code that it emailed me. It worked after rebooting again, but that did not help my opinion of it.

    Whatever, its beta.

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  • temperature!temperature! Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Any chance that the Deus Ex collection will be going on sale anytime soon? I've been wanting to pick it up and missed out on the last sale, I just don't want to pay 20$ only to see it for 5$ in 2 weeks.

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  • DrakeDrake Edgelord Trash Below the ecliptic plane.Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I'd say with DX HR on the way it's just a matter of time. How soon that is going to be is up in the air right now since there isn't any solid release info for the game.

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  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    SightTDW wrote: »
    My confidence in Steam Guard is wavering. Just had it detect my computer as new hardware after a hard reboot, and it went on to not accept the code that it emailed me. It worked after rebooting again, but that did not help my opinion of it.

    Whatever, its beta.

    To the extent that I have any particular motivation to use Steam Guard at all, I'm not touching that thing until it's out of beta and is officially a finished product.

    Gaslight on
  • curly haired boycurly haired boy Your Friendly Neighborhood Torgue Dealer Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Gaslight wrote: »
    SightTDW wrote: »
    My confidence in Steam Guard is wavering. Just had it detect my computer as new hardware after a hard reboot, and it went on to not accept the code that it emailed me. It worked after rebooting again, but that did not help my opinion of it.

    Whatever, its beta.

    To the extent that I have any particular motivation to use Steam Guard at all, I'm not touching that thing until it's out of beta and is officially a finished product.

    a side note: gaslight, your avatar led me to some interesting google searches

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  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Gaslight wrote: »
    SightTDW wrote: »
    My confidence in Steam Guard is wavering. Just had it detect my computer as new hardware after a hard reboot, and it went on to not accept the code that it emailed me. It worked after rebooting again, but that did not help my opinion of it.

    Whatever, its beta.

    To the extent that I have any particular motivation to use Steam Guard at all, I'm not touching that thing until it's out of beta and is officially a finished product.

    a side note: gaslight, your avatar led me to some interesting google searches

    Oh, glad to be of service. I really ought to change that back, I switched it after an odd tangent in the Dragon Age thread (go figure). Actually got somebody to buy the whole killer fractal thing for a minute, almost.

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  • curly haired boycurly haired boy Your Friendly Neighborhood Torgue Dealer Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Gaslight wrote: »
    Gaslight wrote: »
    SightTDW wrote: »
    My confidence in Steam Guard is wavering. Just had it detect my computer as new hardware after a hard reboot, and it went on to not accept the code that it emailed me. It worked after rebooting again, but that did not help my opinion of it.

    Whatever, its beta.

    To the extent that I have any particular motivation to use Steam Guard at all, I'm not touching that thing until it's out of beta and is officially a finished product.

    a side note: gaslight, your avatar led me to some interesting google searches

    Oh, glad to be of service. I really ought to change that back, I switched it after an odd tangent in the Dragon Age thread (go figure). Actually got somebody to buy the whole killer fractal thing for a minute, almost.

    it actually led to me finding a few optical illusions that can mess with your brain's visual cortex for months after viewing them D:

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Gaslight wrote: »
    Gaslight wrote: »
    SightTDW wrote: »
    My confidence in Steam Guard is wavering. Just had it detect my computer as new hardware after a hard reboot, and it went on to not accept the code that it emailed me. It worked after rebooting again, but that did not help my opinion of it.

    Whatever, its beta.

    To the extent that I have any particular motivation to use Steam Guard at all, I'm not touching that thing until it's out of beta and is officially a finished product.

    a side note: gaslight, your avatar led me to some interesting google searches

    Oh, glad to be of service. I really ought to change that back, I switched it after an odd tangent in the Dragon Age thread (go figure). Actually got somebody to buy the whole killer fractal thing for a minute, almost.

    it actually led to me finding a few optical illusions that can mess with your brain's visual cortex for months after viewing them D:

    I seem to recall this being a pertinent plot point in Star Trek: The Next Generation.

    Now, I'm not saying that CHB is a Borg, I'm just saying that he's trying to enslave us and add our technological and genetic information to the collective.

    Tricks on him though FOR WE SERVE THE NEWELL.

    I figure there are reasonably good odds we could stop an alien invasion in its tracks not by force of arms or a deus ex machina virus, but simply by directing them towards Steam and letting nature take its course. They'd go from "SUBMIT OR PERISH!" to "Soooo.... when's the next sale due anyway?" in 5 minutes flat.

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  • CentipeedCentipeed Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I don't know why you guys are umming and arring about Portal 2. I pre-order every Valve title the moment I am able to.

    Valve 4 Lyfe.

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  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I haven't decided if I want to pick up the PS3 version or the PC version. On one hand, the former gets me the latter. On the other hand, I don't know if I want to wait more than the time it takes the game to unlock to start playing it on launch day.

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  • SightTDWSightTDW Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I'm going with the PS3 version just to support all of this cross platform business.

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  • Vi MonksVi Monks Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    1. Buy PS3 version and get PC version for free
    2. Put PS3 version on Goozex
    3. ???
    4. Profit!

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  • MorkathMorkath Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2011
    Forar wrote: »
    Gaslight wrote: »
    Gaslight wrote: »
    SightTDW wrote: »
    My confidence in Steam Guard is wavering. Just had it detect my computer as new hardware after a hard reboot, and it went on to not accept the code that it emailed me. It worked after rebooting again, but that did not help my opinion of it.

    Whatever, its beta.

    To the extent that I have any particular motivation to use Steam Guard at all, I'm not touching that thing until it's out of beta and is officially a finished product.

    a side note: gaslight, your avatar led me to some interesting google searches

    Oh, glad to be of service. I really ought to change that back, I switched it after an odd tangent in the Dragon Age thread (go figure). Actually got somebody to buy the whole killer fractal thing for a minute, almost.

    it actually led to me finding a few optical illusions that can mess with your brain's visual cortex for months after viewing them D:

    I seem to recall this being a pertinent plot point in Star Trek: The Next Generation.

    Now, I'm not saying that CHB is a Borg, I'm just saying that he's trying to enslave us and add our technological and genetic information to the collective.

    Tricks on him though FOR WE SERVE THE NEWELL.

    I figure there are reasonably good odds we could stop an alien invasion in its tracks not by force of arms or a deus ex machina virus, but simply by directing them towards Steam and letting nature take its course. They'd go from "SUBMIT OR PERISH!" to "Soooo.... when's the next sale due anyway?" in 5 minutes flat.

    "Look aliens, you could conquer the Earth right now, or you could wait until the Christmas steam sale and get like half of it for $5, and I am sure the other half will be on sale for the weekend deals in the meantime!"

    Morkath on
  • Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Morkath wrote: »
    Forar wrote: »
    Gaslight wrote: »
    Gaslight wrote: »
    SightTDW wrote: »
    My confidence in Steam Guard is wavering. Just had it detect my computer as new hardware after a hard reboot, and it went on to not accept the code that it emailed me. It worked after rebooting again, but that did not help my opinion of it.

    Whatever, its beta.

    To the extent that I have any particular motivation to use Steam Guard at all, I'm not touching that thing until it's out of beta and is officially a finished product.

    a side note: gaslight, your avatar led me to some interesting google searches

    Oh, glad to be of service. I really ought to change that back, I switched it after an odd tangent in the Dragon Age thread (go figure). Actually got somebody to buy the whole killer fractal thing for a minute, almost.

    it actually led to me finding a few optical illusions that can mess with your brain's visual cortex for months after viewing them D:

    I seem to recall this being a pertinent plot point in Star Trek: The Next Generation.

    Now, I'm not saying that CHB is a Borg, I'm just saying that he's trying to enslave us and add our technological and genetic information to the collective.

    Tricks on him though FOR WE SERVE THE NEWELL.

    I figure there are reasonably good odds we could stop an alien invasion in its tracks not by force of arms or a deus ex machina virus, but simply by directing them towards Steam and letting nature take its course. They'd go from "SUBMIT OR PERISH!" to "Soooo.... when's the next sale due anyway?" in 5 minutes flat.

    "Look aliens, you could conquer the Earth right now, or you could wait until the Christmas steam sale and get like half of it for $5, and I am sure the other half will be on sale for the weekend deals in the meantime!"

    "SO I could conquer China and get Singapore free! But I have Japan already, so does anybody want Singapore?"

    Big Classy on
  • MorkathMorkath Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2011
    Big Isy wrote: »
    Morkath wrote: »
    Forar wrote: »
    Gaslight wrote: »
    Gaslight wrote: »
    SightTDW wrote: »
    My confidence in Steam Guard is wavering. Just had it detect my computer as new hardware after a hard reboot, and it went on to not accept the code that it emailed me. It worked after rebooting again, but that did not help my opinion of it.

    Whatever, its beta.

    To the extent that I have any particular motivation to use Steam Guard at all, I'm not touching that thing until it's out of beta and is officially a finished product.

    a side note: gaslight, your avatar led me to some interesting google searches

    Oh, glad to be of service. I really ought to change that back, I switched it after an odd tangent in the Dragon Age thread (go figure). Actually got somebody to buy the whole killer fractal thing for a minute, almost.

    it actually led to me finding a few optical illusions that can mess with your brain's visual cortex for months after viewing them D:

    I seem to recall this being a pertinent plot point in Star Trek: The Next Generation.

    Now, I'm not saying that CHB is a Borg, I'm just saying that he's trying to enslave us and add our technological and genetic information to the collective.

    Tricks on him though FOR WE SERVE THE NEWELL.

    I figure there are reasonably good odds we could stop an alien invasion in its tracks not by force of arms or a deus ex machina virus, but simply by directing them towards Steam and letting nature take its course. They'd go from "SUBMIT OR PERISH!" to "Soooo.... when's the next sale due anyway?" in 5 minutes flat.

    "Look aliens, you could conquer the Earth right now, or you could wait until the Christmas steam sale and get like half of it for $5, and I am sure the other half will be on sale for the weekend deals in the meantime!"

    "SO I could conquer China and get Singapore free! But I have Japan already, so does anybody want Singapore?"

    "Can someone tell me how much Africa is, in flusbarian boondollars?"

    Morkath on
  • LednehLedneh shinesquawk Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Nappuccino wrote: »
    Darmak wrote: »
    Spoit wrote: »
    Darmak wrote: »
    Ledneh wrote: »
    I've got a bad RPG itch that so far Resonance of Fate, The Last Remnant, and tales of Vesperia have all failed to scratch. Steam thread, is there anything in Newell's Chum Bucket that might entertain?

    Eschalon: Book 1 and 2 are both pretty good, if you're into oldschool RPGs.

    Unfortunately, most PC RPGs are wRPGs, rather than the jRPGs he mentioned. Maybe Recetter?

    He just said RPG, I didn't pay attention to the ones he listed. :P And yeah, most PC RPGs are Western so good luck finding what you're looking for.

    Well he listed some jRPG's that didn't fulfill his RPG need. So maybe western ones are what he's looking for.
    Yeah I don't like western RPGs as a rule, something about the usual combat is kind of a turnoff for me. Especially the old school stuff; I know it's ruinous to my gamer cred but man I just can't play Planescape or BG.


    Too bad the PC is... not homey for this kinda game though.

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I'm still waiting for more information about the Portal 2 Hydra bundle

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  • DrakeDrake Edgelord Trash Below the ecliptic plane.Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Ledneh wrote: »
    Nappuccino wrote: »
    Darmak wrote: »
    Spoit wrote: »
    Darmak wrote: »
    Ledneh wrote: »
    I've got a bad RPG itch that so far Resonance of Fate, The Last Remnant, and tales of Vesperia have all failed to scratch. Steam thread, is there anything in Newell's Chum Bucket that might entertain?

    Eschalon: Book 1 and 2 are both pretty good, if you're into oldschool RPGs.

    Unfortunately, most PC RPGs are wRPGs, rather than the jRPGs he mentioned. Maybe Recetter?

    He just said RPG, I didn't pay attention to the ones he listed. :P And yeah, most PC RPGs are Western so good luck finding what you're looking for.

    Well he listed some jRPG's that didn't fulfill his RPG need. So maybe western ones are what he's looking for.
    Yeah I don't like western RPGs as a rule, something about the usual combat is kind of a turnoff for me. Especially the old school stuff; I know it's ruinous to my gamer cred but man I just can't play Planescape or BG.


    Too bad the PC is... not homey for this kinda game though.

    Something tells me you'd really like Anachronox. A couple of these Amazon merchants have new copies for not insane, pretty reasonable prices and they are rated 95% and over.

    Check out some reviews. It's basically a great adventure game with a hilariously awesome story and pretty decent JRPG style combat. If you go for it, be sure to grab the fan patches. They fix a lot of bugs and give the game some modern features and a few more options for tweaking the game.

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  • Raiden333Raiden333 Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I know it's getting a lot of love in its own thread, but I just have to say it here as well, since I got it on steam:

    SpaceChem is the greatest puzzle game I have ever played. Ever.

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  • DrakeDrake Edgelord Trash Below the ecliptic plane.Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    SpaceChem. More like SpaceMeth.

    Start that game up and wonder where your time went.

    Then jabber incoherently about your awesome solution to everyone through all possible channels of communication.

    It's pretty fucking amazing.

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  • PeewiPeewi Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Centipeed wrote: »
    I don't know why you guys are umming and arring about Portal 2. I pre-order every Valve title the moment I am able to.

    Valve 4 Lyfe.

    I did too, and then a little while later they put up the double pack.

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  • GalagaGalaxianGalagaGalaxian Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Anyone else notice that Dawn of Discovery/Anno 1404 is no longer available for purchase? Thats odd.

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  • CentipeedCentipeed Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Vi Monks wrote: »
    1. Buy PS3 version and get PC version for free
    2. Put PS3 version on Goozex
    3. ???
    4. Profit!

    But then whoever gets it doesn't get to register the PC version with their Steam account.

    Then again, I guess some people just want to play the PS3 version and don't have gaming PCs.
    Peewi wrote: »
    Centipeed wrote: »
    I don't know why you guys are umming and arring about Portal 2. I pre-order every Valve title the moment I am able to.

    Valve 4 Lyfe.

    I did too, and then a little while later they put up the double pack.

    Oh wait, you're right. I bought it in a 2 pack, so I guess I didn't buy it the moment I was able... I am ashamed and dishonoured.

    Centipeed on
  • IcemopperIcemopper Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I'm still waiting to find out what all the pre-order bonuses are for US stores. I think we saw earlier what the UK ones were instead.

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  • AlegisAlegis Impeckable Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    so about spacechem, one of my waldo's didnt want to pick up a molecule until I put in a sync command that waited for the other waldo to drop its molecule first (two different colors, two different input/output zones).

    I assume you can only have one of the waldo's grabbing a molecule at the same time (i dont remember reading this in the tutorial)? or did I make my solution inefficient for another reason

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  • AyulinAyulin Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Alegis wrote: »
    so about spacechem, one of my waldo's didnt want to pick up a molecule until I put in a sync command that waited for the other waldo to drop its molecule first (two different colors, two different input/output zones).

    I assume you can only have one of the waldo's grabbing a molecule at the same time (i dont remember reading this in the tutorial)? or did I make my solution inefficient for another reason

    Were you using Grab/Drops for both, or individual Grab and Drop instructions? If I'm not mistaken, when two waldos come across the same instruction at the same time, red executes before blue.

    Unless I'm misreading and this isn't the issue.

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  • AlegisAlegis Impeckable Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Just grabs for both, I thought the waldos and waldo instructions were separate (input red waldo, grab molecule in red waldo input zone). But the waldo just passes over the molecule ignoring the grab if blue waldo is already holding something.

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  • IoloIolo iolo Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Morkath wrote: »
    Big Isy wrote: »
    Morkath wrote: »
    Forar wrote: »
    Gaslight wrote: »
    Gaslight wrote: »
    SightTDW wrote: »
    My confidence in Steam Guard is wavering. Just had it detect my computer as new hardware after a hard reboot, and it went on to not accept the code that it emailed me. It worked after rebooting again, but that did not help my opinion of it.

    Whatever, its beta.

    To the extent that I have any particular motivation to use Steam Guard at all, I'm not touching that thing until it's out of beta and is officially a finished product.

    a side note: gaslight, your avatar led me to some interesting google searches

    Oh, glad to be of service. I really ought to change that back, I switched it after an odd tangent in the Dragon Age thread (go figure). Actually got somebody to buy the whole killer fractal thing for a minute, almost.


    it actually led to me finding a few optical illusions that can mess with your brain's visual cortex for months after viewing them D:

    I seem to recall this being a pertinent plot point in Star Trek: The Next Generation.

    Now, I'm not saying that CHB is a Borg, I'm just saying that he's trying to enslave us and add our technological and genetic information to the collective.

    Tricks on him though FOR WE SERVE THE NEWELL.

    I figure there are reasonably good odds we could stop an alien invasion in its tracks not by force of arms or a deus ex machina virus, but simply by directing them towards Steam and letting nature take its course. They'd go from "SUBMIT OR PERISH!" to "Soooo.... when's the next sale due anyway?" in 5 minutes flat.

    "Look aliens, you could conquer the Earth right now, or you could wait until the Christmas steam sale and get like half of it for $5, and I am sure the other half will be on sale for the weekend deals in the meantime!"

    "SO I could conquer China and get Singapore free! But I have Japan already, so does anybody want Singapore?"

    "Can someone tell me how much Africa is, in flusbarian boondollars?"

    "Oh hai earthlings. It's my birthday. You know, in case anyone wanted to give me Belgium. Or maybe Costa Rica."

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  • Vi MonksVi Monks Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Centipeed wrote: »
    Vi Monks wrote: »
    1. Buy PS3 version and get PC version for free
    2. Put PS3 version on Goozex
    3. ???
    4. Profit!

    But then whoever gets it doesn't get to register the PC version with their Steam account.

    Goozex policy is to never expect DLC codes to be valid when you get a game. It's always assumed that they've been used by the first owner. Anyone requesting it knows what they're getting into, though you could always PM the person before confirming the trade in order to be sure they know what's up.

    Vi Monks on
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