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Time and a half exemption?

KrikeeKrikee Registered User regular
edited March 2011 in Help / Advice Forum
A little history on the situation: I made a career move to a contract position over 6 months ago. I was told 1.5x wage overtime does not apply to my position. Long story short, I didn't research it much. Fast forward to a few days ago, and I find out my friends in similar positions at other contract companies say they get/got 1.5x wage overtime. Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

Relevant information: I live in Texas, and am a Computer Network Engineer.

Here's the documentation that I believe says I am owed 1.5x wage overtime, and backpay since I have never worked a flat 40 week; but I'm not a lawyer, and was hoping some people with experience in the field and/or issue would be able to help. This seems to be the only clause of the overtime exemption clause that could loosely be connected to my position:

(17) any employee who is a computer systems analyst, computer programmer, software engineer, or other similarly skilled worker, whose primary duty is—

(A) the application of systems analysis techniques and procedures, including consulting with users, to determine hardware, software, or system functional specifications;
(B) the design, development, documentation, analysis, creation, testing, or modification of computer systems or programs, including prototypes, based on and related to user or system design specifications;
(C) the design, documentation, testing, creation, or modification of computer programs related to machine operating systems; or
(D) a combination of duties described in subparagraphs (A), (B), and (C) the performance of which requires the same level of skills, and

who, in the case of an employee who is compensated on an hourly basis, is compensated at a rate of not less than $27.63 an hour.

Source

That sounds like someone designing the physical hardware, and not someone that works with the hardware. Also, someone wrote to the Department of Labor inquiring about the exempt status of an IT Support position. Here is the DoL's response. I plan to inquire about this with my contracting company this week unless I am reading this wrong. Thoughts?

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  • MushroomStickMushroomStick Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Do you get paid salary or hourly?

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  • KrikeeKrikee Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Hourly.

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  • UsagiUsagi Nah Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Wait, are you actually a full-time employee or are you a contract employee?

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  • KrikeeKrikee Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Full time, hourly employee of a contracting company that hired me to fill a contract position at another company. I am a W2 employee, not W9. I send my hours to the contracting company which then bills the company I work at for $Texas/hr.

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  • MushroomStickMushroomStick Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I'm not a lawyer and I don't live in Texas, but I'd think that if you signed a contract that has a line about excluding you from overtime pay, you might be out of luck.

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  • KrikeeKrikee Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I'm not a lawyer and I don't live in Texas, but I'd think that if you signed a contract that has a line about excluding you from overtime pay, you might be out of luck.
    I don't think restricting overtime pay because of a contractual statement would be enforceable because it's a legal requirement. The requirement for at least 1.5x pay for any hours over 40 per week is a federal requirement per the Department of Labor unless some very specific requirements are met to make the position overtime exempt.

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  • oldsakoldsak Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    How much do you make an hour?

    That is to say, do you make more or less than $27.63 an hour?

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  • illigillig Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I'm not a lawyer and I don't live in Texas, but I'd think that if you signed a contract that has a line about excluding you from overtime pay, you might be out of luck.

    luckily contracts can't really take away your legal rights in that way

    OP - check with a labor attorney if you're interested

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  • KrikeeKrikee Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    oldsak wrote: »
    How much do you make an hour?

    That is to say, do you make more or less than $27.63 an hour?
    More, that's where the ambiguity stems from.
    illig wrote: »
    I'm not a lawyer and I don't live in Texas, but I'd think that if you signed a contract that has a line about excluding you from overtime pay, you might be out of luck.

    luckily contracts can't really take away your legal rights in that way

    OP - check with a labor attorney if you're interested
    Consider me interested. :)
    Although I was hoping someone had run into this issue, and would be able to provide the facts (no OT because of X, or vice-verse) I would like to thank everyone for their input.

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  • PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies drinking coffee in the mountain cabinRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    DoL's response seems very explicit and specific to your precise situation. I would talk to a labor attorney for sure.

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  • MushroomStickMushroomStick Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Krikee wrote: »
    I'm not a lawyer and I don't live in Texas, but I'd think that if you signed a contract that has a line about excluding you from overtime pay, you might be out of luck.
    I don't think restricting overtime pay because of a contractual statement would be enforceable because it's a legal requirement. The requirement for at least 1.5x pay for any hours over 40 per week is a federal requirement per the Department of Labor unless some very specific requirements are met to make the position overtime exempt.

    If you're getting some sort of benefit in lieu of the overtime pay, maybe that could change things?

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  • oldsakoldsak Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    DoL's response seems very explicit and specific to your precise situation. I would talk to a labor attorney for sure.

    Unless I missed something, the DoL's response seems to be dealing with an IT support specialist which the OP is not.

    OP, I'm not really familiar with labor law, but it looks like it depends on what your role as a network engineer requires of you, and whether those tasks fall under any of the descriptions under section 17. I took a quick look and couldn't find anything online specific to network engineers. "Network engineer" can cover such a broad range of job roles that I could see it going either way depending on what kind of work you do.

    There is also this under Section 207:
    f) Employment necessitating irregular hours of work
    No employer shall be deemed to have violated subsection (a) of this section by employing any employee for a workweek in excess of the maximum workweek applicable to such employee under subsection (a) of this section if such employee is employed pursuant to a bona fide individual contract, or pursuant to an agreement made as a result of collective bargaining by representatives of employees, if the duties of such employee necessitate irregular hours of work, and the contract or agreement

    (1) specifies a regular rate of pay of not less than the minimum hourly rate provided in subsection (a) or (b) of section 206 of this title (whichever may be applicable) and compensation at not less than one and one-half times such
    rate for all hours worked in excess of such maximum workweek, and
    (2) provides a weekly guaranty of pay for not more than sixty hours based on the rates so specified.

    Which may apply if your employment agreement meets those requirements.

    As others have said, you should probably consult with a lawyer who specializes in labor law.

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  • PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies drinking coffee in the mountain cabinRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    oldsak wrote: »
    DoL's response seems very explicit and specific to your precise situation. I would talk to a labor attorney for sure.

    Unless I missed something, the DoL's response seems to be dealing with an IT support specialist which the OP is not.

    I've heard Network Engineer or Network Administrator used to mean IT before.

    OP, what sort of things are your duties? Are you IT, or are you designing networks to be sold to someone, or what?

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