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Another Tax Help Thread!

LavaKnightLavaKnight Registered User regular
edited March 2011 in Help / Advice Forum
Hey everyone,

I can't find the annual taxes thread, and I didn't want to clutter the other tax threads lying about right now.

I have a feeling the answer is going to be fairly simple, but I'd like to sure in any case.

This year I worked two jobs, one in Nevada for eight months, and one in Washington for three months. All together I made $31,263.53 and was taxed $2,195. Going through my taxes online, it looks like I owe about $200, after claiming the credits that H&R block lets me claim, in addition to claiming my moving expenses.

That seems a bit high to me. It's possible that I had my withholdings somewhat low, as I subscribe to the "I'd rather have the money now and deposit it into my Roth IRA than a year from now in the form of a return" school of thought, but would low withholdings result in having to pay that much?

Are W-4 withholdings either too much or too little, that is, can you not fine tune it so that you get the appropriate amount of taxes taken out each paycheck?

Thanks!

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  • CreidhesCreidhes Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    $200 is a relatively small amount to be under (some folks pay much more than that in a week of federal income tax). You are most likely under because of the transition to the new job. My guess is the second job didn't take out enough (your withholding at the second job may not have included your previous income).

    HR Block has calculators to determine next years taxes based on your current information. That should help you for next year.

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  • SeptusSeptus Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    American Opportunity Credit: HR Block appears to have a woefully inadequate question checklist for this credit. Last year I got the credit, this year it still says I'm eligible, but when I dig deeper into the IRS website, it indicates that grad students are never eligible, and I finished my undergrad 7 years ago.

    In what form or fashion is the federal government going to want back the ~300 bucks I got in my refund last year, tied to this credit?

    Also, HR Block also says that I am indeed eligible for the making work pay credit this year, even if I got it last year, and yet selecting it does nothing to increase my refund. I should not be expecting that $400, yes?

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  • DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Septus wrote: »
    Also, HR Block also says that I am indeed eligible for the making work pay credit this year, even if I got it last year, and yet selecting it does nothing to increase my refund. I should not be expecting that $400, yes?

    You probably already received this credit in the form of reduced payroll taxes.

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  • DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    LavaKnight wrote: »
    This year I worked two jobs, one in Nevada for eight months, and one in Washington for three months. All together I made $31,263.53 and was taxed $2,195. Going through my taxes online, it looks like I owe about $200, after claiming the credits that H&R block lets me claim, in addition to claiming my moving expenses.

    That seems a bit high to me. It's possible that I had my withholdings somewhat low, as I subscribe to the "I'd rather have the money now and deposit it into my Roth IRA than a year from now in the form of a return" school of thought, but would low withholdings result in having to pay that much?

    $200 is nothing. It could have been because of the job switch, or additional withholdings on your W2.

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  • localh77localh77 Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Septus wrote: »
    Also, HR Block also says that I am indeed eligible for the making work pay credit this year, even if I got it last year, and yet selecting it does nothing to increase my refund. I should not be expecting that $400, yes?

    You probably already received this credit in the form of reduced payroll taxes.

    True, but you still need to claim it on your return. If you have too much income, it phases out, but otherwise it should increase your refund (and it makes no difference whether or not you also got it last year). If you look at the bottom line on your schedule M, what does it say?

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  • localh77localh77 Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    LavaKnight wrote: »
    Hey everyone,

    I can't find the annual taxes thread, and I didn't want to clutter the other tax threads lying about right now.

    I have a feeling the answer is going to be fairly simple, but I'd like to sure in any case.

    This year I worked two jobs, one in Nevada for eight months, and one in Washington for three months. All together I made $31,263.53 and was taxed $2,195. Going through my taxes online, it looks like I owe about $200, after claiming the credits that H&R block lets me claim, in addition to claiming my moving expenses.

    That seems a bit high to me. It's possible that I had my withholdings somewhat low, as I subscribe to the "I'd rather have the money now and deposit it into my Roth IRA than a year from now in the form of a return" school of thought, but would low withholdings result in having to pay that much?

    Are W-4 withholdings either too much or too little, that is, can you not fine tune it so that you get the appropriate amount of taxes taken out each paycheck?

    Thanks!

    You can fine tune it, but like Creidhes and Deebaser said, less than $200 is a pretty narrow target to hit.

    And yeah, switching jobs is probably what did it (essentially, the second job doesn't know about your income from the first job, and it only withheld enough taxes assuming that it was your only job for the year). If you keep just the one job this year, and keep everything else the same, you probably won't owe again this year.

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  • localh77localh77 Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Septus wrote: »
    American Opportunity Credit: HR Block appears to have a woefully inadequate question checklist for this credit. Last year I got the credit, this year it still says I'm eligible, but when I dig deeper into the IRS website, it indicates that grad students are never eligible, and I finished my undergrad 7 years ago.

    In what form or fashion is the federal government going to want back the ~300 bucks I got in my refund last year, tied to this credit?

    Pretty much what you're supposed to do is file an amended return when you discover the mistake. I don't know if you'd get a penalty, but if so it probably wouldn't be much.

    In all honesty, though, unless you were audited, the IRS would probably never find out that you were ineligible. And if they did find out, it would be pretty easy to justify as an honest mistake, so you'd likely end up with a small penalty and interest.

    So in the end, it's a gamble, and you just have to decide for yourself. For what it's worth, if it were me I'd probably file the amended return (just cause I'd rather not worry about it, not out of some sense of duty or anything).

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  • SeptusSeptus Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    localh77 wrote: »
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Septus wrote: »
    Also, HR Block also says that I am indeed eligible for the making work pay credit this year, even if I got it last year, and yet selecting it does nothing to increase my refund. I should not be expecting that $400, yes?

    You probably already received this credit in the form of reduced payroll taxes.

    True, but you still need to claim it on your return. If you have too much income, it phases out, but otherwise it should increase your refund (and it makes no difference whether or not you also got it last year). If you look at the bottom line on your schedule M, what does it say?

    I'm not really sure what schedule M is, other than something associated with the making work pay credit. I don't remember receiving any such form last year, and I haven't this year.

    Edit: For the American Opportunity credit, would filing an amended return for 2009, be entirely separate from completing my 2010 return?

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  • localh77localh77 Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Septus wrote: »
    localh77 wrote: »
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Septus wrote: »
    Also, HR Block also says that I am indeed eligible for the making work pay credit this year, even if I got it last year, and yet selecting it does nothing to increase my refund. I should not be expecting that $400, yes?

    You probably already received this credit in the form of reduced payroll taxes.

    True, but you still need to claim it on your return. If you have too much income, it phases out, but otherwise it should increase your refund (and it makes no difference whether or not you also got it last year). If you look at the bottom line on your schedule M, what does it say?

    I'm not really sure what schedule M is, other than something associated with the making work pay credit. I don't remember receiving any such form last year, and I haven't this year.

    Edit: For the American Opportunity credit, would filing an amended return for 2009, be entirely separate from completing my 2010 return?

    Sorry for the confusion; schedule M is the form you use to claim the making work pay credit, and it gets attached to your return. When you say H&R Block, do you mean in person or online? Because if it's in person, they should be able to tell you why you're not getting the credit (it should show up on 1040 line 63). If you're doing it online, there should be some way to look at the schedule M and see why the credit isn't flowing through (generally either because you don't enough enough earned income or you have too much).

    And yeah, the amended 2009 return would be completely separate from the 2010 return. If you were at H&R Block, they might give you some kind of discount for doing them at the same time, but they're separate forms.

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  • CreidhesCreidhes Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Septus wrote: »
    American Opportunity Credit: HR Block appears to have a woefully inadequate question checklist for this credit. Last year I got the credit, this year it still says I'm eligible, but when I dig deeper into the IRS website, it indicates that grad students are never eligible, and I finished my undergrad 7 years ago.

    In what form or fashion is the federal government going to want back the ~300 bucks I got in my refund last year, tied to this credit?

    Also, HR Block also says that I am indeed eligible for the making work pay credit this year, even if I got it last year, and yet selecting it does nothing to increase my refund. I should not be expecting that $400, yes?

    If you go into an actual H&R Office, they have a program called "Second Look". It's FREE if you go in during the month of March. They will review your previous returns for mistakes. (They'll even pay any penalities you may have incurred if they had originally filed your return).

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  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited March 2011
    whoops

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  • LavaKnightLavaKnight Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I appreciate the help! I'm glad to know that $200 isn't too much in the scope of taxes. The percentages of taxes to income for both jobs work out to 6.02% 7.29%, with the higher percentage being from the first (and longer) job. This would indicate, as many of you are inferring, that the new job withheld too few taxes.

    Is there a way to change this short of changing the 1 to a 0 (or vice versa) on my W-4?

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  • tyrannustyrannus i am not fat Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Generally, withholding on a W-4 assumes that you're working only one job, and probably taking the standard deduction. Changing the 1 to a 0 may help, but it's not a guarantee.

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  • tyrannustyrannus i am not fat Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Also, this is kind of late, but if you can answer all these questions, you can take the American Opportunity Credit.

    Are you within the first four years of post-secondary study?
    Are you enrolled in a program that leads to a degree, certificate, or other piece of paper?

    Are you taking at least one-half the normal full-time workload for the course of study for at least one academic period beginning in 2010?

    Have you ever been convicted of a felony?

    After that, you can get a credit for up to $2,500 depending on the amount of eligible expenses, the amount of tax on the return, and whether or not your scholarships/grants cover the expenses. (That last part means that your qualified expenses sent on your 1098-T are reduced by nontaxed benefits)

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  • localh77localh77 Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    LavaKnight wrote: »
    I appreciate the help! I'm glad to know that $200 isn't too much in the scope of taxes. The percentages of taxes to income for both jobs work out to 6.02% 7.29%, with the higher percentage being from the first (and longer) job. This would indicate, as many of you are inferring, that the new job withheld too few taxes.

    Is there a way to change this short of changing the 1 to a 0 (or vice versa) on my W-4?

    Most employers allow you to have an optional, arbitrary extra amount withheld each paycheck. So hypothetically, mid-year at some point you can extrapolate how much you'll end up making by the end of the year and how much will have been withheld. Then figure what your tax liability will be (roughly). And if you're a little low, then just have your employer withhold a little extra each paycheck.

    But yeah, changing the 1 to a 0 would help (it would be the equivalent of about $550 extra withheld, assuming you're in the 15% bracket).

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  • localh77localh77 Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    tyrannus wrote: »
    Also, this is kind of late, but if you can answer all these questions, you can take the American Opportunity Credit.

    Are you within the first four years of post-secondary study?
    Are you enrolled in a program that leads to a degree, certificate, or other piece of paper?

    Are you taking at least one-half the normal full-time workload for the course of study for at least one academic period beginning in 2010?

    Have you ever been convicted of a felony?

    After that, you can get a credit for up to $2,500 depending on the amount of eligible expenses, the amount of tax on the return, and whether or not your scholarships/grants cover the expenses. (That last part means that your qualified expenses sent on your 1098-T are reduced by nontaxed benefits)

    Not to quibble, but it specifically needs to be a felony drug conviction. So grand theft auto - no problem :)

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  • tyrannustyrannus i am not fat Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    localh77 wrote: »
    tyrannus wrote: »
    Also, this is kind of late, but if you can answer all these questions, you can take the American Opportunity Credit.

    Are you within the first four years of post-secondary study?
    Are you enrolled in a program that leads to a degree, certificate, or other piece of paper?

    Are you taking at least one-half the normal full-time workload for the course of study for at least one academic period beginning in 2010?

    Have you ever been convicted of a felony?

    After that, you can get a credit for up to $2,500 depending on the amount of eligible expenses, the amount of tax on the return, and whether or not your scholarships/grants cover the expenses. (That last part means that your qualified expenses sent on your 1098-T are reduced by nontaxed benefits)

    Not to quibble, but it specifically needs to be a felony drug conviction. So grand theft auto - no problem :)

    Haha, so it does. Incidentally, the lifetime learning credit does not disqualify someone with a felony drug conviction from taking the credit.

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