Investment - Learning the ropes

JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
edited March 2007 in Debate and/or Discourse
So there's this thing known as the Stock Market. We've all heard about it, a lot of us have talked about it, and a number of us have actually invested in it. Fortunes are made and lost quite easily on the whims of the market. But how does one learn how to survive in such a volatile environment? Well, that's where we jump in.

At my workplace, some of my coworkers recently started up a game at a website which allows us to buy/sell/short/trade/etc stocks and options using fake money. After purchasing, the stocks gain and lose value according to how the actual market is doing. As someone who doesn't know a heck of a lot about how these things behave, I jumped on this as a tool to learn, and thought you guys might be interested as well. So I made a (mod-sanctioned) game for you guys as well. Private game, all you have to do is click the link and register. I set it up so that we all start out with $100,000 - it starts on Wednesday and will run for a month. That should be enough time for us to at least the get the gist of how things work, and can start up again from scratch for a longer game.

If you want to read up on how it works prior to joining, the manual is here. It gives a pretty detailed explanation of how the tools work and what some of the more advanced trading options are. For the changable settings (commissions, etc) I left everything on default.

So feel free to join/post tips/play around as much as you want.

Edited for grammar and punctuation.

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  • The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Is there an insider-trading option? Let's try to get this as realistic as possible.

    Anyway, I'm going to read up on this when I get home and I'm excited to play!

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    celery77 wrote:
    Is there an insider-trading option? Let's try to get this as realistic as possible.

    Anyway, I'm going to read up on this when I get home and I'm excited to play!

    Nothing that I've seen which blocks insider trading. So we're just going to have to use the honor system here.

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  • The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Jragghen wrote:
    celery77 wrote:
    Is there an insider-trading option? Let's try to get this as realistic as possible.

    Anyway, I'm going to read up on this when I get home and I'm excited to play!

    Nothing that I've seen which blocks insider trading. So we're just going to have to use the honor system here.
    If it's good enough for the FTC, it's good enough for me!

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  • Marblehead JohnsonMarblehead Johnson Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I'm in! Giggity giggity giggity giggity!

    We did this in Business Ed class, years ago... I was one of only four students to turn a profit (and it was a pretty low profit, on my part), and I used to do this with my dad.

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  • HeirHeir Ausitn, TXRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Sounds cool. I'll read up on it some and probably sign up an account tomorrow.

    Thanks!

    This kidn of reminds me of a game that etrade used to do. I think whoever would make the most money each game (games took several months I think) would win money and possibly a job.

    I vaguely remember some kid who wasn't even supposed to be able to play (had to be 18 at least) won it once, and they still wanted to hire him.

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  • redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    keen, I'm in. Will set up stuff eventually.

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  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    This sounds pretty interesting. I'm in.

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  • saggiosaggio Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Sweet. I was just looking for something like this. I'm so in.

    EDIT: Can't we trade Canadian stocks at all?

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  • WerewulfyWerewulfy Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I'ma thumb through the manual, seems fun, I'll probably try and get in on it.

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  • BedlamBedlam Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    So following that link already invites us to the PA game or do we have to do somthing else as well?

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    saggio wrote:
    Sweet. I was just looking for something like this. I'm so in.

    EDIT: Can't we trade Canadian stocks at all?

    I'm honestly not quite sure. When I created the game, there was an option to make all accounts USD, CAD, or allow some of each - I chose to keep everything USD. I'll look more into this in the Help/Manual, and when we start up again next month, if changing that option allows for investment in CAD stocks, we'll include it.

    I'm fairly certain that other stock exchanges aren't supported, though. Canadian is the only one that may be included.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Bedlam wrote:
    So following that link already invites us to the PA game or do we have to do somthing else as well?

    Click the link and register. It's password protected, but the game just generated a link for forums like this which bypasses the password. Essentially, if someone at the website searches for games, finds Penny Arcade, and goes to join, it'll be password protected. But if they click the link from here, the password isn't necessary.

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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    In like Flynn

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Jragghen wrote:
    saggio wrote:
    Sweet. I was just looking for something like this. I'm so in.

    EDIT: Can't we trade Canadian stocks at all?

    I'm honestly not quite sure. When I created the game, there was an option to make all accounts USD, CAD, or allow some of each - I chose to keep everything USD. I'll look more into this in the Help/Manual, and when we start up again next month, if changing that option allows for investment in CAD stocks, we'll include it.

    I'm fairly certain that other stock exchanges aren't supported, though. Canadian is the only one that may be included.

    Well, found the solution in the FAQ.
    How Can I Trade Canadian Stocks?
    It is possible to invest in Canadian companies trading on the Toronto Stock Exchange (TSX) and the TSX Venture Exchange (formerly the CDNX).However, two things are required:

    1. You must be trading in a game that has accounts in Canadian dollars
    Because Canadian stocks trade in $CDN, you must have a Canadian dollar account. Unless you see a reference to CDN$ on your portfolio summary, it's not possible to trade with Canadian securities.

    2. You must enter the correct ticker symbol
    To specify that you want to trade a stock on a Canadian exchange type "C." before the ticker symbol. For example, Nortel Networks trades on both Canadian and U.S. exchanges. It's ticker on the NYSE is "NT" and its ticker on the TSX is "C.NT".

    You can find competitions that have Canadian dollar accounts on the Competitions Page.

    I think I can modify the game to allow it at this point. I'll edit this post if it lets me.

    Edit: That's not one of the settings it lets me change. Are you fine with waiting until next month, or would everyone rather I delete the game and start again?

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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    this looks awesome I will investigate a bit more when I get home but I am almost definitely in.

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  • redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    so, this is just stock right? We can't trade commodities, right?

    keen as hell that we can at least short though.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    redx wrote:
    so, this is just stock right? We can't trade commodities, right?

    keen as hell that we can at least short though.

    Doesn't look like we can trade commodities, no. 'Course, I know about as much as you guys, so I could easily be wrong.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Neat, I was actually thinking about seriously following a few stocks and possibly invest in them when I ever grow the cohones. This is as good an excuse as any, plus I'd actually have a lot of 'money' instead of no money.

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  • AcidSerraAcidSerra Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I'm in, would be a good place to test shit and get my feet wet without putting the farm on the line.

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  • gimmickgimmick Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    moniker wrote:
    Neat, I was actually thinking about seriously following a few stocks and possibly invest in them when I ever grow the cohones. This is as good an excuse as any, plus I'd actually have a lot of 'money' instead of no money.
    I think you're on to something here.

    I plan to start investing after I'm once again gainfully employed, so the plan was going to be to get on Yahoo Finance and start watching some companies to get a feel for how this whole thing works. Hopefully this will give me a bit more motivation.

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  • Vater5BVater5B Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    So I signed up... This looks to be many hours of amusement.

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  • Buddy LeeBuddy Lee Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I'm in...

    I did this during my senior year of high school in economics. I finished off 14th in the state. I hope it wasn't a fluke... :wink:

    When does the game actually start?

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Buddy Lee wrote:
    I'm in...

    I did this during my senior year of high school in economics. I finished off 14th in the state. I hope it wasn't a fluke... :wink:

    When does the game actually start?

    Wednesday. I figured I'd give everyone a full day of watching things/letting both day and night people see the thread before they had to make their picks and the thing starts running.

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  • Elbonian ManElbonian Man Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I'm in. Hopefully this and Phalla don't take over my life too much.

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  • saggiosaggio Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Jragghen wrote:
    Jragghen wrote:
    saggio wrote:
    Sweet. I was just looking for something like this. I'm so in.

    EDIT: Can't we trade Canadian stocks at all?

    Edit: That's not one of the settings it lets me change. Are you fine with waiting until next month, or would everyone rather I delete the game and start again?

    Yeah, man, no worries. It's not that big of a deal. I was just hoping I could follow some companies on the TSX. If you can change it in a month, that would be cool, but it's no big deal.

    Also, is there some sort of database or something that will show all the companies listed (their full names) with info like their ticker symbol, recent reports and stuff like that? It seems any site I have tried basically requires you to have the ticket symbol. But I don't, so...

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    saggio wrote:
    Jragghen wrote:
    Jragghen wrote:
    saggio wrote:
    Sweet. I was just looking for something like this. I'm so in.

    EDIT: Can't we trade Canadian stocks at all?

    Edit: That's not one of the settings it lets me change. Are you fine with waiting until next month, or would everyone rather I delete the game and start again?

    Yeah, man, no worries. It's not that big of a deal. I was just hoping I could follow some companies on the TSX. If you can change it in a month, that would be cool, but it's no big deal.

    Also, is there some sort of database or something that will show all the companies listed (their full names) with info like their ticker symbol, recent reports and stuff like that? It seems any site I have tried basically requires you to have the ticket symbol. But I don't, so...

    Google Finance allows you to just search for company names, and will give you the name, history, current value, and the quick links/values/names of companies which are in the same area of business. I'm sure there's a database with every company somewhere, but I don't know where it is. Sorry.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    You can also type the company's name into Forbes in order to search for the symbol and info.

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  • NerissaNerissa Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I'm in. Hopefully this and Phalla don't take over my life too much.

    No ideas what to buy, though...

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    We can officially set up trades for the start of the trading day. So, as they say on G&T, [Game On].

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    You guys should invest in Kmart. Im so bullish about Kmart.

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  • NerissaNerissa Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    It's not letting me skip the comments section. I really don't have any profound reason for buying any particular stock, the comments aren't going to help anyone. But when I hit the "Skip" button, it just comes back to asking me for my comments.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    You can just click back to your portfolio if you don't want to type anything. Im getting the same deal.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Yeah. I don't bother with comments either. I just either click back, or click "trade stock" again on the left.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Why the hell did I invest in an oil company?

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Malkor wrote:
    Why the hell did I invest in an oil company?

    Seemed like a good idea at the time? ;)

    Yeah, I'm down pretty much all around in this game (although surprisingly enough, I'm up in my work game).

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  • NerissaNerissa Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I'm up more than down, but when I started buying stocks, I didn't have a good grasp of exactly how much $100,000 is and I bought in really small chunks (100 at a time), so it's not translating to very much money just yet.

    My strategy? I started out looking at things I use (Intel, Nvidia, Palm, Cisco, etc.), and checked their trends.

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  • gimmickgimmick Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    My portfolio is up .30%; whee!

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Nerissa wrote:
    I'm up more than down, but when I started buying stocks, I didn't have a good grasp of exactly how much $100,000 is and I bought in really small chunks (100 at a time), so it's not translating to very much money just yet.

    My strategy? I started out looking at things I use (Intel, Nvidia, Palm, Cisco, etc.), and checked their trends.

    I basically set an aim for each company (appx 5-10k worth of each) then bought shares accordingly. As for companies, you're doing something which is generally avoided - if the tech sector as a whole takes a hit, you could potentially lose a lot. Might want to get some other companies in there.

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  • Marblehead JohnsonMarblehead Johnson Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    So far I've spent all my money, and I am down... 60 bucks. Wish me luck!

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  • NerissaNerissa Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Jragghen wrote:
    Nerissa wrote:
    I'm up more than down, but when I started buying stocks, I didn't have a good grasp of exactly how much $100,000 is and I bought in really small chunks (100 at a time), so it's not translating to very much money just yet.

    My strategy? I started out looking at things I use (Intel, Nvidia, Palm, Cisco, etc.), and checked their trends.

    I basically set an aim for each company (appx 5-10k worth of each) then bought shares accordingly. As for companies, you're doing something which is generally avoided - if the tech sector as a whole takes a hit, you could potentially lose a lot. Might want to get some other companies in there.
    Good point, I'll look into picking up some non-tech stuff when I get a chance to do a bit more research.

    Starting this and Phalla on the same day might have made keeping up a bit difficult for me.

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