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Let's talk about the Cleveland, TX rape incident and how TX is terrible in general
joshofalltrades
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So I was reading this story, and it's pretty much the worst thing.
So, the article does a pretty good job of explaining what's going on, I think. There's some pretty major goosery in this small town, but it's not limited to that one area. I live in Texas and the things some people will say completely seriously make me ashamed to share the same species as them.
I think it's pretty telling that a community of black people is getting death threats in response to a rape. Even though a gang rape is extremely tragic and serious, the fact that it's becoming a racial issue through the news and the perceived correct response is, "We will kill your race" makes me nothing short of flabbergasted.
EDIT: Okay, so this is now a general thread on the event and how people can be terrible in general. Clearly there is race-baiting going on and I didn't mean for this thread to help that.
In any case, if Texas wants to secede, I say let them. Maybe it will finally kick my ass hard enough to get me out of here for good.
The alleged gang rape of an 11-year-old girl by at least 18 boys and young men has sparked shame and outrage in a tiny Texas town, but it has also stirred racial tensions that threaten to split the East Texas hamlet.
All of the defendants arrested are African-American and the girl is Hispanic.
The hardscrabble town of Cleveland, which is 45 miles from Houston, has fewer than 8,000 residents and since the saw mill closed the biggest employers are Wal-Mart and a nearby prison. In a town this small, everyone is a neighbor, but that small town ambience is being severely strained.
The rape allegedly occurred last November, and the list of suspects has been growing as arrests keep coming. It's not clear whether more arrests are in the works.
The suspects range in age from 14 to 26, include stars on the high school's basketball team as well as the son of a school board member.
But as the investigation drags on, the shock and indignation has been tinged with an undercurrent of racial tension.
"I feel sorry for the little girl. I feel sorry for everyone involved...the city is in turmoil," Inez Dickerson said.
Dickerson, 68, is the great-grandmother of one of the defendants in the case. Her grandson has not been publicly identified by police because he is a minor.
Dickerson remembers when her great-grandson called to tell her the crime he's accused of committing.
"When I got on the phone, he was crying. He said, 'Granny, I've been accused of something. I'm scared,'" Dickerson said. "He's pretty tore up about it."
"I'm not going to play the race card on this because my grandson and all the rest were very young men and they could have given a second thought on this," Dickerson said.
While Dickerson believes the flaring of racial tensions isn't warranted, others disagree.
Houston community activist Quanell X will host a town hall meeting this evening called "What's the real truth behind the rape allegations?"
"Every adult male that had sex with this child should go to prison, I don't care what the color is. But I do not believe black males are the only ones that had contact with this young child," said Quanell X, the leader of Houston's New Black Panther Party. "It appears to me there's only been the selective prosecution of one community, which is African American."
Quannell X said the rally has been moved from a church to a community center because, "The church received some death threats."
The village has a history of racial violence. In 1988, an African American man was arrested in Cleveland for allegedly stealing a fountain pen. The man, 30-year-old Kenneth Simpson, was allegedly beaten to death by white police officers while in prison. The officers were acquitted of murder charges and returned to work.
In addition, Cleveland is embroiled in a political scandal where three city council members are facing a recall election following complaints of corruption. All three of those city council members are African American.
More than half of the town is white, with the rest of the residents split between blacks and Hispanics.
Most of the defendants have ties to Precinct 20, the nickname for the predominantly African-American neighborhood in Cleveland. The black neighborhood is sometimes referred to as "the quarters."
Cleveland police began investigating the rape in December of last year after cell phone video showing the alleged sex attack started circulating among students at Cleveland schools, according to court documents. The video shows the girl engaged in sexual acts with several men.
The girl told authorities that the weekend after Thanksgiving she was asked if she wanted to ride around with three of the defendants in the case. The girl, described as a straight A student by those who know her, rode with the young men to a blue house with white trim, according to court documents.
As the night unfolded, numerous men came to the house and later an abandoned trailer to have sex with the girl, according to court documents.
The video surfaced because some of the girl's attackers used their cell phones to take photographs and to film the assaults.
The girl, who has not been identified because she is a minor and the alleged victim of a sex crime, said that she was told by the men that they "would have some girls 'beat her up' or she would not be taken back to her residence" if she didn't have sex with them, according to court documents.
When a relative of one of the defendants was heard returning to the blue house, the group hurriedly moved to an abandoned trailer. The girl left behind her bra and panties, according to the court documents.
The girl has been removed from the custody of her parents.
(...)
"It's becoming a black and white issue because it happened over in the quarters. It's segregating our community again," Myers said. "The reaction is anger, devastation."
So, the article does a pretty good job of explaining what's going on, I think. There's some pretty major goosery in this small town, but it's not limited to that one area. I live in Texas and the things some people will say completely seriously make me ashamed to share the same species as them.
I think it's pretty telling that a community of black people is getting death threats in response to a rape. Even though a gang rape is extremely tragic and serious, the fact that it's becoming a racial issue through the news and the perceived correct response is, "We will kill your race" makes me nothing short of flabbergasted.
EDIT: Okay, so this is now a general thread on the event and how people can be terrible in general. Clearly there is race-baiting going on and I didn't mean for this thread to help that.
In any case, if Texas wants to secede, I say let them. Maybe it will finally kick my ass hard enough to get me out of here for good.
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Edit: I can't comment on the racism bit because the story is just too fucked up to even go into race for me.....
Looks like a bunch of guys who happen to be black sexually assaulted a girl who happens to be hispanic. There doesn't seem to be any evidence in that article that the authorities are handling this in a discriminatory manner.
Rigorous Scholarship
WHAT THE FUCK HUMANITY?!
That's true, and I would say that Mr. Quannell X is not helping things by speculating that there must have been another race involved besides his own without actually having any facts to back something like that up.
That said, it's exposed some pretty ugly sentiments. Fucking death threats to a black church. It feels like we've stepped into a god damn time machine.
I'm really not sure where the racism angle comes into play here.
Rigorous Scholarship
What happened in Cleveland is shocking and I think when everything settles the actual numbers of those who raped the girl won't be as high but they would have been present and did not help her or somesuch, but even more disturbing is how the parents of the suspects don't deny that their sons may have had sex with the 11 year old girl but that it's the girl's fault because her parents should have known where she was. It's a blame the victim deflection of their own kids being disgusting people.
I really don't think this is a racial issue, the news is just now trying to make it racial because of past incidents. Cleveland isn't Vider, TX which was a hub of KKK activity in 60s-80s.
You're shitting me.
Well, its clear from the OP's post that he is bigoted against Texans.
As he says himself, "racism" is everywhere, and like a good inquisitor, he must ferret it out. A case of tensions running high over crime is an excellent opportunity to uncover the heretics that he knows are lurking everywhere.
This disturbs me more than the possible racism. Video of a young girl being raped was being passed around for ... laughs? Were these fucked up teens giving high-fives to one another as they shared the video with other fucked up teens, too?
No, I'm pretty sure that's in a part of the article I didn't copy pasta here.
They should put the whole place under quarantine. There is something in the water.
This is the issue I initially saw connected to the news reports. More sexism-related(she was dressed like a slut, how could her parents let her do that, etc), than race-related.
If that's the case, then what's the evidence that racism is alive in Texas(other than it is anyways). The death threat might not even come from Texas. Your original post places racism in Cleveland as the source of the turbulence in Cleveland.
And here is a interview plus video with one of the parents of a suspect. At the bottom they also link a lot of other articles about the case that show almost a blind eye being turned to what happened and that the cops seem to be able to verify.
The only racial issue is Quanel X declaring that the cops are racist because surely this girl was raped by more than just black men. I mean who wouldn't support that meeting.
But, at the end of the day, is there any evidence that the police and prosecution are treating the victim or the accused differently based on their race? If people in the community want to be assholes about this, I guess that's their right. But so long as the police and the prosecution approach this case fairly and professionally, who gives a shit what some moron with the last name "X" has to say?
Rigorous Scholarship
I don't think that line of reasoning works with any other crime, why would it work for this crime?
"It's not my boy's fault! Where were the homeowners when their house got robbed?!"
Cause if she were 17, he would have felt fine! Gang raping a young girl and not a child so much better!
This town shares a single brain cell and it prob was resting when all this happened.
Edit: I'm going to make an effort not to read this thread. For real. Way too depressing.
Reporter should of asked her Where She was when her son was raping a little girl.
Holy fuck. I can't see how anyone could ever force their mouths to form those words with an otherwise straight face? How have these people not blown their fucking brains out in shame?
You're right, death threats against a group of black people couldn't possibly be racist and are totally reasonable.
I already said I think Mr. X isn't helping. What exactly is your point?
Death threats != not supporting a meeting.
Rigorous Scholarship
If it was a meeting on improving your parenting so your sons don't gang rape people, it might not have gotten the threats. Instead its rape-apologist bullshit.
Neither are they necessarily racist. It would depend on the substance of the death threats.
Why are you assuming the death threats came from bigoted white people? Anyone could be furious that Quannell X is defending child rapists only because the accused have black skin. Does the black church regularly receive death threats or is this a one-time event?
While I believe that issues of racism and sexism can be present in the same place and very often are, this really stood out for me. This paragraph in the NYT story on the subject? Totally unnecessary:
Plus the fact that the word "rape" is used just twice in the story compared to "assault" (or "assaulted" or "assaults") 7 times doesn't sit quite right with me.
And "if the allegations are proved, how could their young men have been drawn into such an act?"
the fuck?
Unfortunately, this is far more reprehensible. Humanity, you sure try to make it hard to have faith in you.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Better?
Don't mess with Texas! The new thread title is messing with Texas!
Do you live in Austin?
Here we go...
I'm sure my state could fit into yours at least 4 or 5 times.
Every D&D thread is about Obama, Education Reform or Texas eventually.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Education reform could have prevented this and Obama has been named by the police as a suspect!
GO!
There are other factors to consider as well, like poverty. We're not the worst on poverty but the ones that are worse have lower populations, and the rich people are less rich.